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Brother telling american media that we have group of people who are againest american interests can bring havoc to our country.

In that case you will see more american strikes on pakistan as we have already seen 2.

Understand ???

That why Musharraf SOB needs some back bone-----or he should borrow some from ahmdi-nijad.

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We have another self-proclaimed internet warrior!!

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1- u think that US does not know that there are ppl who dont like it?
#2- did you see the documentary the return of taleban..it is very evident there
#3- these idiots have been giving speeches full of crap anyways.

so Pres M had to either pretend that this was not happenign and look like someone who was covering up or out of touch, or note that yes indeed there is a problem.

oh and as far as airstrikes go, if our idiot mullah tribal pashtoons used their brains for once and stopped dickin around then there would nto be a problem to start with right?

as far as your choice of words, I would refer u back to the rules u agreed to when u signed to this forum.

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If you think there is some problem in those areas its govt. who fix it not american aircrafts.
A president is not suppose to single out any area making it easy for usa to hit it.

Brave guy like musharraf have to be a "choha" in order to have usa's total support.

And "choha" nawaz sharif acted so brave when we had to explode our atomic bombs.

I think its -- because mush wants harmony with every other force on the whole planet BUT with his own people and allah.

And a (not so honest)Nawaz sharif cared about having harmony with people instead(off course to win election).

What do u THINK???

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if i understood what u were trying to say i would have responded :)

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Fraudia, come on now, answer his million dollar question please! I'll repeat it!

What do you?? :D

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  1. Mush is hated in Pakistan from Khyber to Karachi more than his chacha Bush. This is because Bush passes his orders and the dirty slave of him acts upon them. Only those are with Mush who are Munafiqeen and whose faith and father is American dollar.
    Let me tell you that if people find Mush without any security in this country, they will burn him alive the way American soldiers were burnt in Somalia and Iraq.
    Balochis hate him, Pathans hate him, all sensible and just people hate him.

  2. His team consists of all those old faces which he promised to change because of their corruption, but this moron, in order to stick to the post of president, which his fore fathers could only dream for, he has gathered all those criminals who were required by NAB (National Accountability Bureau).

  3. The poor are living beyond the line of poverty and feudals, and all types of corrupt people are making money day and night.

  4. Karachi has become the house of Street Crimes with more than 800 street crimes weekly under the governance of Underworld Mafia, Muttahida Qaumi Movement which has a complete support from our puppet president.

  5. As his father and mother were dancers, which he himself mentioned in his book, nothing good can be expected from this mental-slave of White Skin, because of his family background.

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Binadem! You have done a great Jihad! Jannat aap pur wajib ho gayee! Mubarak ho!

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you can say silly lines all you want, that doesn't take away from the fact that he has made several valid points

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oh, why did u not say so before

answer: I.

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they are all solo members anyways.

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yep but when they have zlich to show for the two terms they were in power, aside from being ranked #2 in corruption .. that says volumes.

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*1. Mush is hated in Pakistan from Khyber to Karachi more than his chacha Bush. This is because Bush passes his orders and the dirty slave of him acts upon them. Only those are with Mush who are Munafiqeen and whose faith and father is American dollar. *

were the mullahs ot aligned with Mush during this time. good so they are part of munafiqeen too :)

Let me tell you that if people find Mush without any security in this country, they will burn him alive the way American soldiers were burnt in Somalia and Iraq.
Balochis hate him, Pathans hate him, all sensible and just people hate him.

1- if there was no security in the country not only will ppl burn hm, but each other due to sects, language, ethnicity etc. Thats not saying much

2- ALL sensible and just people hate him? hahaahah

*2. His team consists of all those old faces which he promised to change because of their corruption, but this moron, in order to stick to the post of president, which his fore fathers could only dream for, he has gathered all those criminals who were required by NAB (National Accountability Bureau). *

is it not amazing that even with those old faces he has been able to achieve so much.
what is your deal with dragging his forefathers into it. and yes unlike fuedal lords, career diplomats and political families kids who know they will inherit leadership..like BB or jatois or bugtis or mazaris, he came from a modest background, so what?

*3. The poor are living beyond the line of poverty and feudals, and all types of corrupt people are making money day and night. *

Pakistan has been progressing economically under this regime, spock had posted info about it earlier.

4. Karachi has become the house of Street Crimes with more than 800 street crimes weekly under the governance of Underworld Mafia, Muttahida Qaumi Movement which has a complete support from our puppet president.

petty crimes may be up but violent crimes are way down.

5. As his father and mother were dancers, which he himself mentioned in his book, nothing good can be expected from this mental-slave of White Skin, because of his family background.

That is just low, first of all twisting his words to call his parents 'dancers' .. and then commenting on his family background. giri hui neech zehniat ki nishani :)

btw. this is the last time I will remind you to go read the rules and either abide by them, or go somewhere where such rules dont exist

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aside from the fact that he dragged his parents into it and started making bull**** remarks about his background.

us ki baat tameez say bhi ki ja sakti thi, but i guess tameez is not something eveyone is taught.

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petty crimes may be up but violent crimes are way down.

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By no means violent crimes are down, they are as before, rather in Karachi the Mafia style killings of Rajni Kant have restarted under his regime. All people who had taken any part in Karachi operation were killed, while Musharaf was embracing the Kalia in London.

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restarted under this regime?
mafia style killings never stopped
but surely u are not suggesting that the type of violence that was seen in late 80’s to mid ninties has actually grown.

I remember when karachi used to shut down at sunset…gangland violence was huge, collegiate violence was high.

this does not even come close

yes u do have the violence of jihadi types which ahs increased over last few years, but then the entire global scene around that issue is in focus now and such violence has shown up in London, Spain etc as well

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Karachi info:

Murders: CPLC statistics for 2005 indicate there have been a total of 130 “terrorist killings,” i.e. murders associated with terrorist acts or groups. This number is a decrease from 163 killings in 2004, but an increase from 87 and 76 in 2002 and 2003 respectively. Statistics for the past decade reveal the most terrorist killings in anyone year as 1,742 in 1995.

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**Knockout_artist: **
Your post 24: You asked Fraudz to think. I am taking the liberty to think too. Since you asked, I thought and here is what came to my mind. Now please read and you think too. Can you please think too?

Do you think that retards of tribal area are problem for Pakistan or Americans in Afghanistan? If the retarded tribal are fighting American forces in Afghanistan, why you think that American aircrafts should not fix them?

If Pakistan is taking responsibility, they are doing so, so that they can tell Americans that Pakistan is trying their best to control these retards. Pakistan is also sending message to world (including Pakistanis) that Pakistan controls Pakistani soil, and would not allow outside forces to act there.

Until now, there is some covering done (taking responsibility) by Pakistan government of American actions. If that covering would go, America would start bombing retards of Pakistan tribal area daily as routine and that would affect many innocents living there. There is also possibility that in such situation, relationship between Pakistan and USA would strain, resulting in mostly Pakistan loosing out. USA might start bombing some other Pakistani areas in NWFP and Balochistan. as some retards are living in Peshawar, Quetta and surrounding areas, occasionally crossing border from Pakistan to fight American forces in Afghanistan, making things worse for Pakistan.

Obviously, it would be right of USA to attack these retarded idiots, as tribal are fighting Americans in Afghanistan from Pakistani soil, and thus Americans have all the rights to attack tribal in Pakistani area. If Pakistan wants to, Pakistan could interfere with American attacks, but Pakistan wants to finish these retards too, and here Americans are helping Pakistan if they bomb these retards and send them to Jahannum quickly.

[Regardless, going militarily against USA would be suicide and doing that for no reason (for retards in tribal area), that suicide would be stupid suicide. I am sure that Musharraf is not that stupid to do stupid suicide].

As far as Pakistan is concerned, these tribal fighting America in Afghanistan are problem for Pakistan security, are criminals and outlaws, and Pakistan needs to get rid of them, as soon as possible, by whatever means. Thus, in the situation, why Pakistan should even think of fighting America for these retarded, actually Pakistan should be grateful to USA if American aircrafts blows them to hell.

If Pakistan accepts the fact and tell Americans that Pakistan cannot or would not control these retards living in tribal areas of Pakistan, Americans would consider that as green flag and a green signal to bomb them freely at will.

By taking responsibility, Pakistan is saving an all out, open, severe, and unrestrained bombing by USA on tribal areas. Pakistan is not doing that to save tribal retards but Pakistan is doing that to save innocent tribal from American unrestrained bombing and thus do not want that innocents of tribal area get killed along with these retards.

Is it not fortunate that Pakistan do not have an idiot as President? Actually, President Musharraf is not retarded idiot (like many Pakistanis). Musharraf is a person that lives in reality. Musharraf does not think that if he ‘President of Pakistan’ does not single out, America would get confuse and would think that probably retarded idiots that are crossing Pakistani border into Afghanistan, and are miscreants in Afghanistan, are coming from Bhawalpur or Thatta. Do you believe that, if Musharraf does not single out, Americans would get confused or would not know where the trouble is?

Musharraf (and all intelligent Pakistanis) knows that America also knows where the problem is. To be ignorant of the fact would make USA act and bomb tribal area without caring for Pakistan (because, America would think that Pakistan does not want to solve problems that is within Pakistan border, but are trying to be ignorant of that).

It is nothing to be ‘choha’ or ‘billi’. It is about being an idiot or cleaver. It is about a person who is realistic, intelligent and visionary rather being intellectually empty and emotionally turned up. Only a retarded idiot would try to be Tiger in front of an elephant and in the end, would not only suffer, but would make the whole country suffer (as Saddam and Mulla Umar did).

Nevertheless, for Pakistan, there is/was no conflict of interests or reasons to have bad relation with USA on regional or international issues. It was in the interest of both Pakistan and USA that Afghanistan has a change from Taliban retarded, senseless, peaceless and idiotic government to sensible and peaceful government. Pakistan could not have brought that change, but when USA decided to do, it was cleaver of Pakistan to side with USA.

Nawaz was not ‘choha’, he was corrupt and thief. He did not acted ‘brave’, but wanted to sell Pakistan right to explode nuclear bombs for few million dollars in his Swiss account (and few billion dollars aid to Pakistan, that Nawaz would have stolen anyhow).

You can read Nawaz supporters, like Ayaz Amir [PML(N) party member and election candidate for Nawaz party in 2002 election] and some others, that were writing during those days that Pakistan should not go nuclear, rather accept American help of few billion dollars, as that is more important for Pakistan.

It was that army (General Karamat) became adamant and pushed Pakistan government to do the explosion of nuclear device. As all know, nuclear research and arsenal was all the time under the control of army, and thus when General Karamat decided, Nawaz or any politician could not have done anything.

Actually, it is on record that in telephone conversation with Clinton, Nawaz told Clinton that he could not do anything to stop Pakistan doing nuclear explosion as that is out of his hand. Nevertheless, after explosion, General Karamat suffered for that nuclear explosion, as Nawaz humiliated and forced him to resign from the army.

I am not sure if you are serious or joking? :). You believe that Nawaz was forced to resign for nuclear explosion (something he did not wanted to do)? Please, I believe that you have some intelligence and can think. Nawaz was darling of America and west, darling of India, Person for whom USA forced Saudia to interfere and save him from Prison in Pakistan. Now, who will force Nawaz to resign for something that he never did, rather all know that Nawaz was prepared to sell that right of nuclear explosion, for few million dollars.

You think that Musharraf, who was scorn of USA, India, and west, who after throwing Nawaz became evil dictator and problem for America and west, such that, when Clinton visited Pakistan, he did not even wanted to see Musharraf, would throw Nawaz out of power, because of nuclear explosion. Musharraf as army chief knows that nuclear decisions were never in the hand of any politician.

Everyone in Pakistan and world knows (as Bai-Nazeer admitted in her interview that she had no control over many things in Pakistan, even while she was prime minister), that when as prime minister, she wanted to visit Kahuta and wished, then army chief declined her wishes with words that she has no reason to visit. Similarly, Nawaz having any control to decide about nuclear explosion is impossible.

Actually, it was Jahangir Karamat who decided that Pakistan would go for nuclear explosion and for that, Nawaz forced Karamat to resign. Pakistan political leadership (Nawaz) did not wanted nuclear explosion, as he wanted to sell that right for monetary gains. When it comes to money, Nawaz was not concerned about Pakistan security or defence.

[Well, fortunate or unfortunate, Pakistan politicians never had control over such decisions, like nuclear explosion or any security decisions in Pakistan. Actually, it is same in most world countries, even USA, UK, or India. Politician everywhere in the world have control up to a certain limit and over that, it is always establishment. Establishment stays regardless of whoever is prime minister. Political power in a country changes but establishment stays the same.

A politician could come from any background and establishment of all countries, especially western developed democratic counties and other administratively established countries like India, Pakistan etc, never trust politicians for all things.

Just imagine, I heard of someone that was Kassie (butcher) in UK, who became MNA in Pakistan. There are numerous Gunda and criminal elements in Pakistan parliament (MNA and MPA). They all have chance to become Prime Minister. Do you think that a country can leave all security decisions on a body that can have anyone there, from crooks to agents of enemy? No country in the world does that, whatever they say or claim officially.]

Musharraf is patriotic and he (rather most Pakistanis) believe that best for Pakistan is to have harmony with all forces around the world unless they become threat. Well, if any country becomes threat, then only, fight them to the best of ability. Regardless, for prosperity, security, and defence of a country, country needs to have internal security, writ of government all over the country, good relations all around the world and be strong economically and militarily.

During Musharraf rule, Pakistan developed good relation all around the world much better then Pakistan ever had and thus became an influential country. Pakistan enormously developed economically and militarily, that is unprecedented in Pakistan history. Increased and spread writ of the government to Pakistani areas that never had Pakistan writ, though they were part of Pakistan. Now, it is Musharraf who is trying to fight the internal insecurity (a legacy of Zia) that some religiously retarded idiots have created.

These retards, that Musharraf is fighting, are not follower of Islam but are cult of Shaitan under the cover of Islam, though following a religion that Shaitan created and to misguide Muslims, has associate that created religion with Islam (with outward similarity).

One should realize that true Muslims are peaceful and no human should feel threatened by Muslims, unless they persecute or fight Muslims. If a person from whatever sect or religion sees a Muslim, they should feel secure, but these retards, they are threat to whole community and country, blowing themselves up to kill others, the way Iblis (Shaitan) wants them to blow themselves, a self destruction, suicide, that is part of religion of Shaitan.

[If you ever find a person or a group, from whom others are threatened, you should consider that person or group, friends and followers of Iblis and should never call them Muslims. You should remember that Allah’s religion is of ‘Rahmat’ and not ‘Qahar’, and Muslims are follower of Rahamat-ul-lil Alameen, one who came to this world as Rahmat, and not Qahar. These retards are Qahar for many and though call themselves Muslims are actually follower of Shaitan].

As for Musharraf fighting his own people and Allah, that is completely lies and incorrect statement. Truth is that, Musharraf is fighting enemies of Allah, criminals and traitors of Pakistan (in Islamic term, they are fitna-creators, muzi and mutaffani people). These mutaffani people were/are creating law and order problems in Pakistan and neighbouring country (Afghanistan), are involved in sectarian killings in Pakistan. These people are security risk to Pakistan and Pakistan relations with other countries. Thus, fighting these retards and killing them retards in order to save innocent people from their fitna is farz and work for Allah.

You should remember that Islam recommends that to kill troublemakers (muzi) before these troublemakers inflict injuries (izza) to innocents. Thus, best is to kill muzi before izza or ‘Qatlan muzi, qablan izza’. These retarded ‘muzi’ of tribal areas (and wherever else they are in Pakistan) need to get eliminated before they inflict ‘izza’ to innocent Pakistanis and others. They creates security risk for Pakistan by damaging relationship of Pakistan with other countries. In other words, when these retards are killed, world becomes safer because number of Khabbis in this world get reduced (khas kam jahaan paak).

Musharraf is not fighting Allah, he is doing a great job for Islam. Allah loves him and helps him. That is why Allah saved him from all assassination attempts on his life (what I believe, at least 7 to 8 times, though officially it is fewer). Many in Pakistan took power but none I know had the privilege to enter Kabba but Allah loves him so much that Mussaraf got the opportunity to enter Kabba and see it from inside and go on the roof of Kabba, something that must have happened by the will of Allah :slight_smile:

Nawaz was so honest and love harmony so much that he left mark everywhere. One can see Nawaz actions on Pakistani court (court was attacked and chief justice Sajjad was sacked). One can see Nawaz actions in army (he made army his enemy). One can see Nawaz actions on his political opponents (Zardari was put in jail throughout Nawaz rule and he put many in jail and made many cases against his opponents). One can see Nawaz actions and dealings with his coalition partner (MQM was his coalition partners still Nawaz became responsible for many extra-judicial killing of MQM workers in Karachi). One can see Nawaz actions with his own party workers too, where no one had any right to say anything to Nawaz, that Nawaz did not like.

Level of corruption by Nawaz and Bai-Nazeer according to survey by Transparency International, in comparison to Musharraf period.

Well, Nawaz honesty is such that Transparency International survey showed that Nawaz along with Bai-Nazeer government, by huge margin, was most corrupt governments Pakistan has ever seen.

Out of 3000 people, from throughout Pakistan, that transparency international randomly selected, coming from all walks of life, let see how many considered whom as corrupt.

1461 out of 3000 or 48.70 percent considered ‘Bai-Nazeer the maha corrupt choor’ government as most corrupt.
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1291 out of 3000 or 43.03 percent considered ‘Nawaz the Ganja corrupt choor’ government as most corrupt.**

Would you believe it, that for Musharraf government, the figure transparency international found was:

95 out of 3000 or 3.17 percent considered ‘Musharraf the incorruptible’ government as corrupt

The most surprising thing is that, figure of corruption for government in power is usually worse then what they are. Secondly, the survey happened in 2002, after 9/11, and there were many grunted Mullahs and politicians doing propaganda against Musharraf government, still the figure shows Musharraf government least corrupt, by huge margin.

Third thing that is most amazing is figures from Peshawar (representing NWFP) and Quetta (representing Balochistan), most effected by 9/11 fallout. Obvious expectation was that grudgingly, many from these areas could have started calling Musharraf government corrupt. Well, figures breakdown of those 95 out of 3000 considering Musharraf government corrupt are as follow:

**People from Quetta (representing Balochistan) area in survey was 600: **

Those voted ‘Bai-Nazeer the maha corrupt choor’ government the most corrupt were 382 out of 600 or 63.67 percent.

Those voted ‘Nawaz the ganja corrupt choor’ government the most corrupt were 192 out of 600 or 32.00 percent.

And what? Surprise surprise .. :slight_smile:

Those voted ‘Musharraf the incorruptible’ government the most corrupt were 14 out of 600 or 2.33 percent.

**People from Peshawar (representing NWFP) area in survey was 600: **

Those voted ‘Bai-Nazeer the maha corrupt choor’ government the most corrupt were 232 out of 600, or 38.67 percent.

Those voted ‘Nawaz the ganja corrupt choor’ government the most corrupt were 351 out of 600 or 58.5 percent.

Here is big surprise from area, NWFP that got most effect by Musharraf 9/11 policy, and what the vote came? Surprise surprise .. :slight_smile:

Those voted ‘Musharraf the incorruptible’ government the most corrupt were 9 out of 600 or 1.50 percent.

Figures for Karachi (representing Sindh) and Lahore (representing Punjab) are as follow:

**People from Karachi (Sindh) area in survey was 1000: **

Those voted ‘Bai-Nazeer the maha corrupt choor’ government the most corrupt were 486 out of 1000, or 48.60 percent.

Those voted ‘Nawaz the ganja corrupt choor’ government the most corrupt were 402 out of 1000 or 40.20 percent.

It is no surprise that even here, province of ‘Bai-Nazeer the maha corrupt choor’, people voted that Musharraf government is negligible corrupt. Figure is:

Those voted ‘Musharraf the incorruptible’ government the most corrupt were 29 out of 1000, or 2.90 percent.

How about Punjab?

**People from Lahore (representing Punjab) area in survey was 800: **

Those voted ‘Bai-Nazeer the maha corrupt choor’ government the most corrupt were 361 out of 800, or 45.13 percent.

Those voted ‘Nawaz the ganja corrupt choor’ government the most corrupt were 346 out of 800 or 43.25 percent.

It is no surprise here too, even though most Nawaz cronies live here. Still, even here people voted that Musharraf government is negligible corrupt. Figure is:

Those voted ‘Musharraf the incorruptible’ government the most corrupt were 43 out of 800, or 5.38 percent.

Now, what would you like to say about your corrupt ‘Nawaz the ganja corrupt choor’ and ‘Bai-Nazeer the maha corrupt choor’? I believe that it is disgraceful to compare them two corrupts with ‘incorruptible Musharraf’.

That is what I am thinking that, what do you THINK???

I feel that you may be thinking that, if my figures are concocted or are really truth. Well, I would like to say that ‘I do not concoct things as I am not amongst cronies of ‘Nawaz the Ganja corrupt choor’ or jayala of ‘Bai-Nazeer the maha corrupt choor’ and thus have no habit of concocting figures or lying. Thus, here is the web site of ‘Transparency International’ with all the corruption figures I quoted. Go on to page 40 on that site for all the figures regarding corruption and breakdown of figures.

http://www.transparency.org.pk/documents/csr.pdf
(see page 40)

** Actually, it is very surprising, as when survey happened in 2002, would you believe it, it was after 9/11 (11 Sept 2001), Musharraf was in power and people many places in Pakistan were shouting on the road, burning effigy of Musharraf and Bush. In such situation, just for the sake of enmity, expectation was that many would label Musharraf a corrupt person, but still they did not. **

Even retarded and misguided Mullahs of Pakistan could not call him and his government corrupt. Well, they called him anything they liked, but as for corruption, no way called him corrupt. Even after the election in 2002, when compared with his government of pre-election and post election (when dirt of corrupt past politicians joined hand with him), new survey of 2006 showed that corruption increased in Pakistan compared to Musharraf government before 2002, but for how much? Well, just nominally.

President Musharraf 1999 – 2002: 32.69 percent
President Musharraf 2002 – 2006: 67.31 percent

Now, that is not a mean thing to happen in Pakistan, that Musharraf government in 2006 was 7 years old. Still, the number that considered Musharraf-cum-political government, that is full of past corrupt politicians, very little corrupt. In 2002, only 95 out of 3000 or 3.17 percent considered that Musharraf government was corrupt (maybe, those 95 represented grunted Mullahs and out-of-power corrupt politicians and their cronies).

Musharraf pre-2002 rule had negligible corruption. Compare to that period, if Musharraf post-2002 rule is marginally more corrupt, than it means that even now, corruption is negligible. Just imagine that if figure would had been 50:50, it would have meant both period of Musharraf rule had similar corruption, but since it is 67:33, not a big difference, means that corruption has increased marginally.
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Transparency International figures shows that if person on top is not corrupt, people working at lower level could not do much corruption too. Since ‘Nawaz the ganja corrupt choor’ and ‘Bai-Nazeer the maha corrupt choor’ were both corrupts to their core, all who were following them became corrupt and choor too.***

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Ahh, thanks for this link! Now where is that ‘whiner’ who was saying the situation in Karachi is as bad as it was back in 1995! haha

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spock but in some circles 1,742 is less than 130.