position of jesus
The position of Jesus (peace be upon him)
According to the Qur'an Jesus was a great prophet and a messenger of Allah, performed many miracles and was raised to heavens by the Will of Allah. Ghulam Ahmad accepts Jesus as a prophet, however, he denies all major miracles of Jesus mentioned in the Qur'an and his ascension to the heavens. Ghulam Qadiyani claims that Jesus escaped from Palestine, got married, had children, died at the age of 120 years and was buried in Kashmir, a Muslim majority state under Indian occupation. This is heresy in Islam.
Partial letter:
Seventeen letter in Jan 25, 1962
New York. January 25, 1962 (Shaban 19, 1381)
Dear Maulana Maudoodi,
Assalaam alaikum wa rahmatullah.
Thank you so much for your highly informative letter of December 16th in which you took such pains to answer all my questions in the most satisfactory manner.
Several weeks ago Zafrullah Khan came to give a special lecture at our mosque here in New York. Originally I had planned to attend but at the last minute, just couldn't bring myself to go. As you must know only too well, Zafrullah Khan is one of the most prominent leaders of the Ahmadiyya. Of the two branches, I think the Lahoris are more dangerous than the main group at Rabwah. The Qadianis are frank and out-spoken in their acceptance of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as Prophet condemning all those Muslims who reject his claim as Kaffirs, and thus are clearly outside the pale of Islam. The Lahori Ahmadiyyas, on the other hand, try to pose as perfectly good orthodox Muslims while at the same time propagating their heretical views in an underhanded way. Zafrullah Khan, I believe, belongs to the latter group. Although he likes to pose as an orthodox Muslim, he showed his true collars when he refused as a high Government official to participate in the funeral prayer at the death of Qaid-e-Azam just because the Imam was not a Qadiani!
At a small shop in New York, which specializes in Oriental books and where Islamic books printed in Pakistan are available, I found an excellent little book on the Qadiani movement published by Shaikh Muhammad Ashraf in Lahore entitled, His Holiness: a Fearless and Frank Exposition of the Hollowness of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's Claim to Prophethood by "Phoenix" with a very good introduction by Zafar Ali Khan. This book provides the most illuminating study of the Mirza I have ever read in English, which includes copious quotations from his writings. After reading about his life, I wonder how it was possible for such otherwise intelligent scholars like Muhammad Ali Lahori to accept his fantastic claims unless they chose to follow him for some personal or material gain. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad struck me as a man completely lacking in any moral sensitivity and of very mediocre intellectual stature. There is no doubt in my mind that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was insane. "His visions (or more accurately, his hallucinations) assure him that God in heaven glorifies him and invests him with the highest of decorations. He is king of the Aryans. Jai Singh Bahadur (a Sikh name meaning victorious lion) and Lord Krishna. Mary is one of his names in which character he, or rather she, remains big with Jesus for a period of not more than ten months. Then Jesus born is none else than the Mirza himself!" (Pp. 191-192) Isn't that proof he was a madman? I don't know why his relatives failed to recognize that and commit him to the asylum. If Mirza Ghulam Ahmad had been locked up in the mental hospital, he would have had no opportunity to spread his mischief. Then you would not have been imprisoned during the Punjab disturbances in 1953 nor would the death sentence ever have been meted out to you. If Mirza Ghulam Ahmad were alive today, his delusions of grandeur and persecution would be quickly diagnosed by the medical world as schizophrenia-paranoid type. Every line of his writings indicates his malady. As "Phoenix" writes: "Ghulam Ahmad, the prophet, was afflicted with persecution mania in an aggravated form. His claims keep pace with his sense of persecution. The more he feels persecuted the higher and higher his claims go on soaring. The insane persevere in their delusions the more they are crossed. Had the Muslim community let him alone and dismissed his claim as lunacy, his malady, if it were really one, would not have assumed the proportions it did." (Pp. 185-186) In the end, he sees in a vision that he has in fact become God Almighty and denounced those who refused to attest to the truth of his mission as "*******s". Of all the voluminous volumes of books Mirza Ghulam Ahmad wrote, I haven't heard of any translated into English except a small work entitled The Teachings of Islam. They must be perfectly, aware how people would ridicule such absurdities and gibberish that masquerade as "revelations." But I think that his books, particularly his Haqiqat ul Wahy (The Truth About Revelation), certainly must be reprinted in Urdu and translated into English and other European languages, not for the general public but for the medical world. Haqiqat ul Wahy would be of great interest to students of abnormal psychology. Psychiatrists should regard it as a valuable document on schizophrenia which provides the professionally trained with first-hand knowledge how the paranoid mind works. Viewed in this light, an objective study of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's books could help scientific research in mental diseases.
just curious,
this is off topic, but have you read- nostradamus? ofcause you must have...he has made lot prophecies...much centred around europe...but anyway, most of what he has written, somehow does takes shape, including 'hisler' as antichrist who would start a world war....
do you consider him a prophet..since his prophecies do hold weight?
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Ghulam Qadiyani claims that Jesus escaped from Palestine, got married, had children, died at the age of 120 years and was buried in Kashmir,
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What an absurd claim! All the Prophets carry the message till the end of their lifes. Why did Jesus not carry on spreading the Message that he was ordained to preach in Kashmir? Jesus lived in Palestine for nearly 33 years and we can see ample proof of his preaching there.
What about in Kashmir? May be according to Mirza Ghulam Qadiyani, Jesus was enjoying his retirement. Sort of pensioned off.
For ninety odd years that Jesus lived in Kashmir accordding to Ghulam Qadiyani, how come it never occurred to him to contact his mother and disciples in Palestine?
St. Paul was playing havoc with Christianity in Palestine and Jesus in Kashmir is not concerned at all?!
Maybe be Jesus had given up on Christianity converted to Buddhism.
The main purpose of Ghulam Qadiyani to this claim is to state that Jesus had a natural death (and so is not in Heaven as is the belief of all the Muslims), to clear the way so that he (Ghulam Qadiyani ) can claim that he (Ghulam Qadiyani) is Jesus on his second mission!
Though its an excellent thread but offcourse it will get deleted.. i bet.. i hope not.. but u know it is against the so called policies of gupshup..... Rehman good post...
-Salman
Please read the following book written by Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian (as) and if you still have any doubts, then post it. Because I think, you should find answers to all your concerns/questions that you’ve just posted.
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Please read the following book written by Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian (as) and if you still have any doubts, then post it. Because I think, you should find answers to all your concerns/questions that you've just posted.
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On insistance of a Qadiani acquaintance of mine, I have read this book quite sometime ago.
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*Originally posted by Ibn Sadique: *
On insistance of a Qadiani acquaintance of mine, I have read this book quite sometime ago.
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This is a small extract from the first chapter:
"Jesus was a true prophet and as he knew that God, whose beloved he was, would save him from an accursed death, he made a prophecy in the form of a parable, revealed to him by God, in which he hinted that he would not die on the Cross, nor would he give up the ghost on the accursed wood; on the contrary, like the prophet Jonah, he would only pass through a state of swoon. In the parable he had also hinted that he would come out of the bowels of the earth and would then join the people and, like Jonah, would be honoured by them. So this prophecy too was fulfilled; for Jesus, coming out of the bowels of the earth, went to his tribes who lived in the eastern countries, Kashmir and Tibet, etc. viz. the ten tribes of the Israelites who 721 years1 before Jesus, had been taken prisoner from Samaria by Shalmaneser, King of Assur, and had been taken away by him. Ultimately, these tribes came to India and settled in various parts of that country. Jesus at all events must have made this journey; for the divine object underlying his advent was that he should meet the lost Jews who had settled in different parts of India; the reason being that these in fact were the lost sheep of Israel who had given up even their ancestral faith in these countries, and most of whom had adopted Buddhism, relapsing, gradually into idolatry."
And still you came up with questions like "Why did Jesus not carry on spreading the Message that he was ordained to preach in Kashmir?" And you said you've read the book? I wonder!