Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam
If he is not adding/subtracting from Sharia of Prophet Mohammed PBUH then why do we need to ‘follow’ him? or even believe whether he was a messenger or not?
Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam
If the conditions of Jihad are met, Ahmadis have performed Qitaal in the past. And if the same happens in the future, Ahmadis will take part in defensive war.
The instructions of Promised Messiah (as) which were to abandon jihad is the same war waged by bin laden and ghazi brothers etc. This Jihad is not Jihad infact and should be discarded as a false idea.
Can you please share history when they did? Also can you define what 'qital' means to you?
Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam
^^^ Please read my message again.
"Promised Messiah (as) considered himself to be spiritualy similar to Jesus (as). He honoured Jesus (as) with very high praise and proved to the world that Jesus (as) was a noble prophet of God and not the person/deity described by the christian clergy. "
It is a christian belief that Mary (as) came from a dubious family. And the reference you have has been taken grossly out of context by Mullahs.
Dear Sir,
please read my question again,
i'll repeat, what was the stance did Mr. Mirza had for Jesus (AS) and his family? did he conidered them noble?
and please tell me what iam talking about as u claim that i have taken the thing out of context ( a person of extereme knowledge on a particual subject can make claim like that).
So iam still waiting for an answer!
Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam
Wow!!!!! Its amazing to see soo many Qadianis on the forum. It is hard to know who are Qadianis on the forum. Lagta hai poora ka poora Rabwah train ton aa gaya ithey. It was funny amnd hilarious to watch one of the clips of the latest Qadiani messiah addressing a foreign delegates about Quran, Islam and representing muslims. Atleast Hindus dont falsely claim they represent Islam. Allah khair karey janaab!
Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam
If he is not adding/subtracting from Sharia of Prophet Mohammed PBUH then why do we need to 'follow' him? or even believe whether he was a messenger or not?
I have asked the same question to my Ahmadi friends and they always come with same hadith that "Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said himself that a messiah will come"
I have spent enough time with practicing Ahmadis to know that their world revolves around Mirza Ghulam Ahmed and his teachings (not saying they don't pray or respect prophet Mohammad (PBUH) ).
Question remains the same, if Mirza didn't add/subtract anything then why do we need to follow him and his teachings???
Another thing is that it's so strange that the so called MESSIAH came into the world and died decades ago and MOST muslims don't even know that there is someone called Mirza Ahmed who claims to be a messiah(Prophet). I was talking to some Omani friends and they were surprised to find this out and thought i was joking, none of them knew what who Mirza was.
Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam
Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani (aleh-salam) was a true muslim. He recieved many revelations from Allah.
yeah and so did musailmah and talayha (laanatullahi alayhim ajmaeen)....
Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam
yeah and so did musailmah and talayha (laanatullahi alayhim ajmaeen)....
i think Talaha Bin Kholeed, later get "tayeb" and came back to Islam,
Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam
Just like to mention that when someone states their "belief" I think its wrong to analyze it with science or logic - because its a personal thing. They don't believe in it because science affirms or deny it.
In short: Plz BE RESPECTFUL (like Captain1 ... whom raised v.good Q in my opinion)
Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam
Qadianis are the Islamic version of Mormons.
Anyways, here is a discussion in which a woman asked this Ahmadi scholar why Qadianis are not considered muslims…
I don’t know much about them
So can you guys post a re-buttal to his arguments after watching the video
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Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam
itnay saray log un per chaR doRay haiN, ab unhooN nay kya jawab dayna hay aur kis ko doyna hay… shayad ab ayaiN hi na!!! .
Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam
Can you please share history when they did? Also can you define what 'qital' means to you?
Qital is "defensive" war. In 1948 a whole contingent of Ahmadiyya youth fought alongside Pakistan army to repell the indian aggression in Kashmir. Ahmadi officers like General Akhtar Malik, Abdul Ali Malik and Iftikhar Janjua can not be forgotten easily by historians. One of them was the only General in modern history to be martyred while on active duty.
On the other hand, we strongly oppose the ideology of indiscriminate qital which does not spare the innocent civlians.
Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam
yeah and so did musailmah and talayha (laanatullahi alayhim ajmaeen)....
You seem to believe that the above mentione were "true muslims" and actually received revelations from God???? How low can you stoop just to oppose ahmadis!
Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam
Dear Sir,
please read my question again, i'll repeat, what was the stance did Mr. Mirza had for Jesus (AS) and his family? did he conidered them noble?
and please tell me what iam talking about as u claim that i have taken the thing out of context ( a person of extereme knowledge on a particual subject can make claim like that).
So iam still waiting for an answer!
OK. let me spell it out for your.
Promised Messiah (as) considered Jesus (as) to be a Noble prophet. Nobility covers both personal character and family background. God does not choose prophets from dubious families.
The christian belief is based upon the biblical text which implies that a few women in the family tree of Mary (as) were "not pious". This is a proof that Bible has a lot of lies incorporated in it and the quote that you have read in ahmadiyya literature is only stating the christian belief.
Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam
Qital is "defensive" war. In 1948 a whole contingent of Ahmadiyya youth fought alongside Pakistan army to repell the indian aggression in Kashmir. Ahmadi officers like General Akhtar Malik, Abdul Ali Malik and Iftikhar Janjua can not be forgotten easily by historians. One of them was the only General in modern history to be martyred while on active duty.
On the other hand, we strongly oppose the ideology of indiscriminate qital which does not spare the innocent civlians.
Did those "Ahmadi" officers have a choice of "not fighting"?
Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam
OK. let me spell it out for your.
Promised Messiah (as) considered Jesus (as) to be a Noble prophet. Nobility covers both personal character and family background. God does not choose prophets from dubious families.
The christian belief is based upon the biblical text which implies that a few women in the family tree of Mary (as) were "not pious". This is a proof that Bible has a lot of lies incorporated in it and the quote that you have read in ahmadiyya literature is only stating the christian belief.
So u r denying the following saying of Mr. Mirza
as most of his saying are in Urdu as i'll write them down in urdu as original text.
App ka khandan bhi nihayat pak aur mut'her hay. 3 dadiyaaN aur NaniyaaN app key Zinakaar aur kasbi aurtaiN theeN, jin kay khoon say app ka zahoor howa. Magr shayad yeh bi Khuda'i kay liya eak shart ho.
App ka kanjariyooN say milaan aur suhbat bhi shayad issi wajaah say ho keh jadi munasibat darmayaan hay, warna koy perhaiz gar insaan eak jawab kanjri ko yeh moqa nahi day sakta keh woh uss kay sir per na-paak hath laga day aur zana-kari key paleed kama'i ka paleed itar ( perfume) uss kay sir per malay aur apnay baloooN ko uss kay pairooN per malay. samjhnay walay samajh laiN kay aisa aadmi kis chalan ka ho sakta hay.
( rohani khazayenn page291)
issi rohani khazayen Mirza Sahib farmatay haiN :
Haan app ko galiyaaN daynay aur bd'zubani key akser aadat thee. Adna Adna baat maiN ghusa aa jata tha, apnay nafs ko jazbaat say rok nahi saktay thay, magr meray nazdeek App key harkaat jay-e-afsoos nahi kyoN kay app galiyaaN daytay aur yahood hath say kasr nikal liya kertay thay yeh baat bhi yaaad rahay. App ko kisi qadr jhooT bolnay key bhi aadat thee
(rohani khazayen page 289)
I hope now u got the question and it will be easy for u to spell it for me.
Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam
Did those "Ahmadi" officers have a choice of "not fighting"?
Why would an ahmadi join the army if he is against Jihad? These officers saved Pakistan.
And for your information, Furqaan force (the ahmadiyya contingent which fought in 1948) consisted of volunteers from all over Pakistan.
Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam
So u r denying the following saying of Mr. Mirza
as most of his saying are in Urdu as i'll write them down in urdu as original text.
App ka khandan bhi nihayat pak aur mut'her hay. 3 dadiyaaN aur NaniyaaN app key Zinakaar aur kasbi aurtaiN theeN, jin kay khoon say app ka zahoor howa. Magr shayad yeh bi Khuda'i kay liya eak shart ho. App ka kanjariyooN say milaan aur suhbat bhi shayad issi wajaah say ho keh jadi munasibat darmayaan hay, warna koy perhaiz gar insaan eak jawab kanjri ko yeh moqa nahi day sakta keh woh uss kay sir per na-paak hath laga day aur zana-kari key paleed kama'i ka paleed itar ( perfume) uss kay sir per malay aur apnay baloooN ko uss kay pairooN per malay. samjhnay walay samajh laiN kay aisa aadmi kis chalan ka ho sakta hay.
( rohani khazayenn page291)
issi rohani khazayen Mirza Sahib farmatay haiN :
Haan app ko galiyaaN daynay aur bd'zubani key akser aadat thee. Adna Adna baat maiN ghusa aa jata tha, apnay nafs ko jazbaat say rok nahi saktay thay, magr meray nazdeek App key harkaat jay-e-afsoos nahi kyoN kay app galiyaaN daytay aur yahood hath say kasr nikal liya kertay thay yeh baat bhi yaaad rahay. App ko kisi qadr jhooT bolnay key bhi aadat thee (rohani khazayen page 289)
I hope now u got the question and it will be easy for u to spell it for me.
You have finally shown that either you are very naive or very biased. If you are naive, then I am surprised that you still dont get it. If you are bigotted, then I cant expect anything better from you.
The above mentioned quotes, if you care to take the whole argument from the books of Promised Messiah (as), will show that these are valid arguments against false christian beliefs. Christians literally believe in all the above, yet they try to show that their fictional son of god is superior to all the others. These are not attacks against Jesus (as), the Noble prophet of God, but against a fictional character invented by the Church to commit the gravest sins against truth.
I think this is highly unlikely that you will try to read the original books from which these quotes are taken. And you will not try to understand the context of these arguments either. The context of these arguments is that the Christians attacked the Holy Prophet (saw) with vilest allegations . The best way to respond to them was to show them the mirror of their own beliefs. It had nothing to do with the real Jesus (as). The link I provided in one of my previous posts contains similar arguments raised by many classical islamic scholars and same issues were raised by them to counter christian attacks against islam.
Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam
Why would an ahmadi join the army if he is against Jihad? These officers saved Pakistan.
And for your information, Furqaan force (the ahmadiyya contingent which fought in 1948) consisted of volunteers from all over Pakistan.
So you believe whatever 'fight' Pakistan army does is considered a "jihad"?
BTW, what do Ahmadis think of other Muslims as? Non-Muslims/Deviant/Munkar (denier of 'messenger' MGAQ)?
Also, you said Qital is "defensive" war, does it mean there can be no "offense"? Where is it derived from?
And for your information, Furqaan force (the ahmadiyya contingent which fought in 1948) consisted of volunteers from all over Pakistan.
Can you shed some more light on "Furqan Force"? What is it, what it did and what is it doing now?
Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam
It is hard to know who are Qadianis on the forum. Lagta hai poora ka poora Rabwah train ton aa gaya ithey.
and who said Ahmadis are only limited to Rabwah?.. they are all over the world.. you will find majority of ahmadi muslims in England, USofA , Canada, Australia , african countries such as Ghana to name a few.. and each there there are thousands and thousands of people accepting ahmadiyyat...Wake up bro and smell the coffee...
Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam
and who said Ahmadis are only limited to Rabwah?.. they are all over the world.. you will find majority of ahmadi muslims in England, USofA , Canada, Australia , african countries such as Ghana to name a few.. and each there there are thousands and thousands of people accepting ahmadiyyat...Wake up bro and smell the coffee...
A lot of people are taking to drugs- some who never thought they would but then started doing drugs... Do you need me to wake up and smell the coffee?