Mirpuri community in the UK, your views

In the UK Paki vs US Paki discussion, various refrences were made to the Mirpuri community. For those who are unaware of them, they are ethnic Punjabis or Pothwaris who orignate from the Mirpur region, which is one of the eight regions that made up the old Dogra Kingdom of Jammu and Kashmir. According to some sources, they make up 75% of the 1 million UK Pakistanis. In the UK, the word Mirpuri has become an almost an insult, and many deny that they are Mirpuri. Many have taken to calling themselves Kashmiris, which quite rightly irritates the Kashmiris here. I have posted an article that gives some background information and the problems.

The article does lookj at the various themes such as marganilization and radicalization among this community. My question, do you think the Mirpuris are the authors of their own misfortune, or they are a much maligned ethnic group.

Introspection grips British Muslims -DAWN - International; July 20, 2005

It’s early days, but already some of the factors that need to be plotted on to this map are emerging.

First, the families of the three Leeds-based bombers were originally, in all likelihood, from Mirpur, Azad Kashmir. Mirpuris form 70 per cent of the British Muslim population, and the figure is even higher in northern towns. Just as the dominant role of Saudis in 9/11 led to a spotlight on the religion and politics of Saudi Arabia, so attention will focus on Mirpur.

This rural, impoverished district provided cheap, unskilled labour for Britain in the 60s and 70s. Most immigrants were from subsistence-farming communities and had had little or no schooling. They made a huge cultural and geographical leap to settle in the UK – the dislocation is hard to imagine.

One of the things they brought with them was the perception of a long history of dispossession and marginalization. Partition brought terrible bloodshed and the division of Kashmir between Pakistan and India. (This was the issue cited until very recently as the most pressing political priority in the UK by the majority of British Muslims.) Within Pakistan, Mirpur is to the more dominant Punjabis what the Irish have historically been to the British, explained one Mirpuri.

In the 80s the remittances began to flow in, fuelling an extraordinary boom in Mirpur, bringing computers, televisions, the Internet, satellite dishes, microwaves and fridges. One of the strongest Mirpuri traditions is that you marry your first cousin, so there is a constant exchange with the UK to renew the Mirpuri influence for the next generation. Mirpur has been an example – and there are others the world over — of the painful disruption in deeply traditional communities of a sudden influx of wealth and interface with modernity.

The narrative of dispossession gained new force in the 80s amid the collapse of the industries in which the first generation had come to work. Men who had worked long hours in the textiles and steel industry — and had been, arguably, more integrated into white workforces than their taxi-driver and curry-house sons — found themselves redundant. The more recent oppression and humiliation of Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan would have resonated powerfully with these collective memories of Yorkshire Muslims, passed from grandfather and father to son.

A second critical issue that needs to be plotted on to this map is that the vast majority of Mirpuris adhere to a tradition of Sufi Islam called Barelvi. One of the Indian Islamic revival movements of the late 19th century, Barelvi life revolves around holy elders known as pirs; their graves become shrines and places of pilgrimage

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And now someone's going to open a thread on muhajars/bhayias.

Mirpuris and Brelvis are two very different issues, not all Mirpuris are bad and ignorant and not all Brelvis believe in what you wrote. You should be ashamed of yourself, I'll be glad if you move somewhere else from Britian....oh wait, East London's ghetto area is just the RIGHT place for you.

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Careful Hareem, he might set his Eastside Massive on you innit.

Khan I suggest you find an MP and give them a hug. A hard hug. :)

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Im mirpuri and im not one bit ashamed 'of admiting it so there goes ur theory and who told u that the word mirpuri has “almost become an insult”.
some of the things u wrote are the same as others around pakistan, for example many others in pak marry their 1st cousins.
oh and how convenient ur a new member :hmmm:

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Mirpuris are literally messed up people, especially their male generation!

If you bothered reading the intro, this was a quote from a article which appeared in Dawn, a respected Pakistani newspaper. I never said that the Mirpuris were bad, but once again, you have made a knee jerk reaction.

And I am not from East London, just worked there. But I am an Urdu-speaker, and take great offence to the word Bhaiya, which is like calling a Black person the n word. You are welcome to open a thread on us, and I will tell about my people's culture and history. But as far as the Urdu speakers in the UK, they are a minuscule minority, but are succesful as the Indian community.

If you looked at the UK Paki vs US Paki thread, there were numerous references to Mirpuris, and was going of tangent. And my critism is mild compared to some of the other posters.

Actually most urban Pakistanis don’t marry their first cousins. The biradari as an institution is something Mirpuri. You marry first cousins, don’t claim that for all Paks, when it isnt true. The wikepedia article on Mirpuris says the word can be seen as an insult.

Mirpuri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

About Mirpuris denying there origin, I can giveyou two recent examples that I came accross. We had a Mirpuri typist at work, was talking to her mum in Pahari, and when a colleague asked her what language she was speaking, she said she was speaking Urdu. Now a Pathan or Punjabi would never refer to their language as Urdu. And I know a fair few Mirpuris who have started to call themselves Kashmiri.

In an example, a former colleague told us that she was Kashmiri and spoke Urdu. I know enough Kashmiris, and they are proud of Kashur, their language.

Anyway my question was whether you think they are maligned, and from your response you think they are maligned.

Yo wagwan cuzzy!

I've also observed that a lot of MP's tend to have an inferiority complex (especially the few who become educated).

They always claim to be Islamabadian or Kashmiri but they can't speak a word of Koshur or plains-Punjabi or Urdu...

There's no need to be ashamed of being MP, just acknolwdge that there is a problem and try resolving it, better you're community so that one day people will be envious of you, there is nothing inherently wrong with being an MP, just lack of education and Insha Allah that can be remedied...

On the bright side Mirpuris are like mega sizzling hot!!! They're proud Muslims and Pakis (even if they don't know anything about Islam or Paki culture)... They're tough, hard people and can stand their ground...

A bit more education, eradicate the strong caste-system (almost as bad as the Jatt thing with Sikhs), less cousin marriages and MP's will be perfect.

firstly yes other pakistanis do marry ther 1st cousins, i know a few people in my real life and i have recently come across some1 on GS who was goin back to pak to get married and anyways if it is accepted in islam who are we to question it.
secondly yes i do think mirpuris are maligned, if u actually get to know a true mirpuri you will realise that they are nice humble people.
btw wikipedia is written by any1 with internet access, so its not really a good source.

i agree when the term is used negatively, personally i feel its almost always used by people of an superiority complex. some people may refer to it as inferiority but in my experience it is only used by individuals who are proud of one aspect of their lives and like to show themselves as an example to the rest of the pakistanis. for example the strict familly man from elsewhere will use the term when describing how relaxed the majority of the uk pakis are in disciplining their children. the liberal man will lament the fact that mirpuris are too strict. the educated man will use his own example to highlight the flaws of the uk paki population. basically people who are slightly more fortunate in any one aspect of their lives then the majority of the uk pak population

so its often an attack or vote of no confidence on pakistanis and pakistan itself

on rare occasion the term is used negatively by heads of households living in the uk but from from other parts of pak to keep tighter leash on his familly. ie the message is do not do this and that (hang out with friends, talk slang etc.) his children usually listen and turn to things not on the list such as homosexuality:cb: but do we see an apology at the end of it - no

and on that note changa raat

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