Since some of our Indian posters have flown the term around on GS, they shud explain it to us, as its very new to us.
How is Congress doing it?
Where is the line drawn between giving every citizen same treatment vs minority appeasement?
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A couple of examples come to mind...
One of the single biggest grouse is the existence of different personal civil laws for Hindus, Muslims, Christians, and Parsis in India. It has been pointed out how in the United States or other Western country, the law is common for all, regardless of race, creed, or faith. And has been rightly pointed out, in no major country in the world do such personal laws exist which means that before law, all men and women are not equal.
Tragically, the existence of the personal laws is seen as a source of identity today, and any move to abolish or amend them is bound to raise a hue and cry, mostly by the terribly bigoted so-called leaders of the Muslims, the Syed Shahabuddins and the Imam Bukharis. Yet, there is no doubt that India, like other liberal, secular societies, must have a uniform civil code that is secular, liberal, equal (especially between the sexes), promotes fraternity, and ensures justice for all. That is the foundation of a modern nation. It is not just a case of Muslim man being allowed four wives but the fact that a Muslim woman lacks the right, like her Hindu counterpart, to not share her husband with another woman. The law is more anti-Muslim woman than pro-Muslim man and the fact that many Islamic republics too do not practice it clearly shows that this particular law is outdated.
Then, there is always a hue and cry about the fact that the Government of India subsidies the Haj pilgrims, a practice no one has thought fit to abolish. The money spent on subsidizing the Haj is needed far more desperately to educate poor boys and girls, including many Muslims who, in the absence of schools, turn to madrasas.
Every state govt has policies geared towards appeasing minorities (not just Muslims), at the cost of majority sentiments or interests.
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I read intently with interest your reply, however I would like to clarify one off topic thing.
I am not religious, but I went to a madrassa in Pakistan. I was middle class, and came from a secular family. Hoever, every muslim usually goes to a madrassa when they are young. Its simply a place to learn how to read the Quran, and nothing more. Just FYI.
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^ Unfortunately madrassas mostly impart religious education and not the education necessary to compete with the rest of the country, and do not prepare one for higher education and good jobs. Then the very same people turn around and accuse the government/majority Hindus of discrimination in jobs/higher education.
Its a catch 22 situation which is why I feel that treating every citizen equally (irrespective of religion) is very important.
Maybe I didn't articulate my point as well I should have, perhaps. I'll reiterate and clarify once more, just for the betterment of your understanding that Madrassas are simply a place almost every Muslim goes - when in the first or second grade of regular school, and irrespective of how rich, poor, western, eastern they are - to learn how to read the Quran and nothing more.
You are probably talking about people starting up private unaccredited schools sponsored by local places of worship, which is certainly an in adequate education. In today's media, that is what they refer a madrassa too. This as a secular minded muslim, offends me.
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That may be what they were originally intended to be, but that does not seem to be the case now. This article talks about Madrass education in India -
It also addresses an oft repeated complaint of the Indian Muslims around why they do not equal opportunities in higher education/jobs.
Maybe I didn't articulate my point as well I should have, perhaps. I'll reiterate and clarify once more, just for the betterment of your understanding that Madrassas are simply a place almost every Muslim goes - when in the first or second grade of regular school, and irrespective of how rich, poor, western, eastern they are - to learn how to read the Quran and nothing more.
You are probably talking about people starting up private unaccredited schools sponsored by local places of worship, which is certainly an in adequate education. In today's media, that is what they refer a madrassa too. This as a secular minded muslim, offends me.
It sounds like you technically went to a maktab (supplementary schools to teach Urdu/Quran)...I think they're often erroneously referred to as madrasas (full time religious schools), which just adds to the confusion.
As for the point being made about madrasas...the Sachar Committee found that less than 4% of school aged Indian Muslim children are enrolled in madrasas, so it's hardly the epidemic that some Indians like to claim. Moreover, considering the fact that independent studies have demonstrated that a Muslim name on a CV alone makes a candidate half as likely to get an interview as an exactly equally qualified untouchable, and three times less likely to get an interview as a Brahmin, I think it's pretty clear that discrimination is likely the main problem.
Moreover, considering the fact that independent studies have demonstrated that a Muslim name on a CV alone makes a candidate half as likely to get an interview as an exactly equally qualified untouchable, and three times less likely to get an interview as a Brahmin, I think it's pretty clear that discrimination is likely the main problem.
Can you post a link to some of those "independent studies" ?
And as for the Sachar committee report, it is far from correct and has come in for a lot of criticism -
Instead of basing its results on the entire population of Muslims, the Report should only have considered those Muslims with a college degree.
The demands made by the Sachar Committee to provide preferential treatment to Muslims in the Indian Army have been severely criticized by members of the Indian Armed Forces, who feel that it is vital that the Indian Armed forces remain secular and not give preference to anybody irrespective of religion, and that the Sachar Committee seeks to undermine that legacy.
3.The National Sample Survey Organization (NSSO) report has concluded the findings of the Sachar Commission were manipulated.
The Sachar commission findings were also alleged to be manipulated for electoral purposes to suit the ruling Congress agenda.
It should also be noted that the Sachar report employed several stereotypes of Indian Muslims, often substituting the phrase to include only Urdu-speaking Muslims, but, for instance, ignoring the progress and status of Tamil Muslims. To that end, the committee failed to recognise the multi-ethnic nature of Islam in India and succumbed to pressure groups of the north with their own agenda.
Also, the report focussed on the effects, not on the causes, of economic inequity thus. For instance, the Sachar committee did not conduct suo moto studies into the high drop-out ratios in schools among Muslim students due to odious debt and disease.
Muslims and Dalits discriminated in corporate India | TwoCircles.net
As for your criticism of the Sachar Report findings (excellent job cutting and pasting from Wikipedia BTW), I don’t see anything there that would cast doubt on its figures for Madrasa education, especially considering the fact that we’re not talking about any of their conclusion, and the figures themselves are not even based on the Sachar committee’s original research…rather they were simply reporting data already collected and reported by agencies of the Indian Ministry of Education.
Nice attempt at subterfuge though.
As for your criticism of the Sachar Report findings (excellent job cutting and pasting from Wikipedia BTW....
^ Thanks ! Anyhow the criticism of the Sachar committee report is that it is unreliable as a whole as evidenced by my post above.
And "TwoCircles.net" (a website run by Muslims for Muslims) is what you can come up with as an "independent" source.
The Madrasa figure is taken from the National Council of Applied Economic Research. I’m sure you can cook up some fallacious issue with their methodology too if you try hard enough (and with a little help from your hindutvawadi friends).
Uh…the study was carried out by the City University of New York and University Grants Commission of India. Try reading before opening your mouth next time.
If you bothered googling it rather than making yet another feeble attempt at subterfuge, you would have found it referenced elsewhere:
Businessworld - Employers, Take Heed!
Beyond lip service- Hindustan Times
Tehelka:: Free. Fair. Fearless
An underqualified caste Hindu was still nearly twice as likely to be called back as a qualified Muslim. Pathetic.
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^ Unfortunately, such data conceals more than it reveals and is usually intended to mollify certain segments. Doesnt help when it is carried out by Indian Institute for Dalit Studies.
Likelihood of CV being picked - is that a joke ?? There can be so many other factors affecting the recruiters' decision to call a person for an interview which the study does not look at.
So what is the solution ? Have reservations for Muslims & Dalits ??
Likelihood of CV being picked - is that a joke ?? There can be so many other factors affecting the recruiters' decision to call a person for an interview which the study does not look at.
CV's were matched in all regards except names.
I'm glad you're so willing to openly express your bigotry. I think it's important for all the idiots out there who see India as a functional and open society to see just how pathetically and unashamedly racist and backwards a nation it really is.
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^ The language in your posts shows clearly who the bigot is here. You can continue to "live in denial" like the rest of your ilk. I really dont expect a "Kashmiri" to have a rational view about India.
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More subterfuge. Big surprise.