Minorities in Islam/Interpreting scriptures on own [split]

[kprasad]

Re: Minorities in Islam/Interpreting scriptures on own [split]

@teggy

If people could become experts just by reading, most professions would have been at reach so long as you can quote things and keep a copy of book on-hand. The blessed companions (May Allah be pleased with with them all) of the Prophet (Peace be upon him) spent years learning the Quran; not just reading it. To understand the application of something, you have to seek out those who have studied it, and devoted their lives to it.
Joe the car mechanic will not make a good surgeon just because he knows how to access WebMD.
The tragedy of the matter is that half of us quote texts to prove validity, and other half quote it to prove their perception and rebuttals. Only if we instead showed genuine interest in learning rather than reading, and seeking rather than rebutting we could develop an understanding of the scriptures, and then take it if we like it or leave it if we don’t.

As a specific matter of fact, you become an expert on any religion by reading its scriptural texts. That is irrefutable. The supposed divinity that inspired the text is unavailable for examination or interrogation. The only way to become an expert is to read it.
A car mechanic is not a surgeon, but can become one. Science, as it relates to teaching, is not the same as religious indoctrination. One is based on reason and evidence, and the other is based on blind faith and the interpretation of texts by someone else.

@OneYourMomWarnedAbt

No my dear friend, it is not asinine. I will show you what is. Take for example the following quote:

First and foremost, there is something in there called ‘in my view’, through which he is making sure you understand he is not talking about agnostics but muslims whom he considers to be agnostics. Second, there is also something called ‘religious duty’; now what is religious duty for an agnostic? So its not really about agnostics. Finally, he is saying he considers oppressors as agnostics. Not the other way around. He didnt say all agnostics are oppressors. To conclude what is not stated is asinine.

Now about the evidence. I don’t think you read the translation of an-Najm either. Because, the translation only talks about the judgement day and not a courtroom. It is ok to think that clerics are stupid and that you are smarter than any cleric of any religion. That is your right. But not even reading the translation and yet trying to pass off something you read on a website as your own interpretation is, for lack of another word, asinine. If you load up books on a donkey, the donkey does not become a scholar.

I know you think muslims are ignorant, uneducated idiots and every post you make reeks of that superiority complex. But if you really want to debate something, try to educate yourself first. Maybe you can start by understanding such words as tafseer, fiqh, shariah and sunnah.

And that, my friend, is my last word on this topic.

This is a preposterous argument . The implication of the post, in discussion, is that a religious person would never commit any atrocities, and that such can only be done by the godless! This is an attempt to placate the ills of religion. I challenge you to show me one instance where mass murder has been carried specifically because of agnosticism or atheism. I can show you numerous examples of murder being carried, specifically, because or religion.
Second, be it judgment day or any other day, what difference does it make? If you are not of any of the Abrahamic religions, you have no recourse. Moreover, this is the justification used to oppress minorities that do not belong to any of the Abrahamic religions.
Lastly, I don’t think Muslims are ignorant. But I do think religion is the scourge of the world. It just so happens that the topics we discuss here are related to Islam, but I have the same disdain for Hinduism, which I was raised in, Christianity, how I was educated, and every other religion.
Hinduism and Islam are, in particular, are somewhat central to me. I think we, South Asians, as a race are so backward, relegated, and impoverished only because of religion. It saddens me that in the 21[SUP]st[/SUP] century it’s not getting better, only worse. As a human being, I believe it is incumbent upon me, simply due to humanity, to challenge the malignancy of religion.

@kchughtai

I reserve the right to explain what I said.

ok. Let me explain it. Ya Allah Madad!!

People who oppress others (other religious groups) and it seems that they are religious zealots and cannot tolerate anything that goes against their religion, in fact, have no connection with teachings of their religion and that is my conviction that they don’t even believe in God as they don’t have any fear of God. They, apparently, seem religious to the people at large but they only have wordly motives behind their henious acts. We have seen this from Gojra to Gujranwala. How do I know this? Let me give you a few points to chew on:

1. Islam has forbidden killing even animals with fire yet they use fire to burn houses and people.
2. Killing children is forbidden even in wars yet they don’t do any such distinction
3. Islam teaches restraint and not let loose your emotions yet their religion is all about letting loose emotions and nothing about restraint.
   I think I have made myself clear

So, would you say ISIS are more religious or less religious? Would you say their interpretation is inaccurate? Would you say their scriptural evidence is invalid? What about Boko Haram?
How about this: How about if the deity that inspired the religious text shows up and answers some questions?