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if anyone wants to see military culture watch drama serial alpha bravo Charlie its shows everything perfectly
My favorite drama. Back in 90s... Sunehry Din was broadcast from PTV but ABC was detailed and informative drama on military lifestyle.
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ABC was part 2 of sunheray din, sunheray din focussed on PMA n life As cadet, ABC was more focussed on life of officers and Their families
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My Dad was in Pakistan Army! Love the military life. What discipline!
I can relate to all the things Devilish Angel said.
We used to be the first ones at all the parties and weddings. My dad emphasized on punctuality at my wedding and everyone did follow :)
Lunch used to be served at 1:30pm and dinner at 7:30pm at our house. We had to eat with fork and knife, no one was allowed to eat in his or her room . Miss those times sigh
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Secular ones in army are drinkers. There is also trend of sending their wives to senior officer's bed for quick promotion.
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Mine is not army, but Air Force. From 1953 till today, my people are serving.
Grandfather Ex air marshal
Father - Serving
Mother- Serving
Brother-Serving
Sister-in-law serving
Me- Medically unfit for flying and in flying in RBI now :D
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Mine is not army, but Air Force. From 1953 till today, my people are serving. Grandfather Ex air marshal Father - Serving Mother- Serving Brother-Serving Sister-in-law serving Me- Medically unfit for flying and in flying in RBI now :D
Flying flies :p
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i've only one out of 63 cousins who recently retired from the army as Lieutenant Colonel.
my family is basically a teacher's family. most of us are in the education field.
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Secular ones in army are drinkers. There is also trend of sending their wives to senior officer's bed for quick promotion.
Astaghfar Åsa khuch nhi hota , Yes i Heard scandal in indian navy but these are rumours just to malign army.jo suna likh dya
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Astaghfar Åsa khuch nhi hota , Yes i Heard scandal in indian navy but these are rumours just to malign army.jo suna likh dya
I've heard similar rumours (and worse things) but I agree that it's just malicious gossip to malign the army. Back home, I think it's also political as a certain "section" has a particular interest in maligning/discrediting the armed forces and anything associated with the new government.
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Flying Files 
My naani wants to see note chaapne ke machine, she is more intersted in that than my father’s MiG 
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My family had a very non military culture :p my nana used to be a havaldaar in the military but no one since then...
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My family had a very non military culture :p my nana used to be a havaldaar in the military but no one since then...
did he make any will or so for not joining army?
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did he make any will or so for not joining army?
Nothing of that sort, no one had the urge to join the forces. There are a few districts of Northern Punjab and kpk from where most of the army comes from.
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I know 
At Partition, Pakistan got two-thirds of Punjab, while India got one-third. More Punjabis live in Pakistan than in India. However, in the Forbes list of the world’s billionaires](Forbes List Directory), there are four Indians from the Indian side of undivided Punjab. They are the Singhs of Ranbaxy, Mittal of Airtel, Jindal of Jindal steel and Thapar of Avantha. There is no Punjabi from Pakistan. Why?
At Partition, Pakistan got two-thirds of Punjab, while India got one-third. More Punjabis live in Pakistan than in India. However, in the Forbes list of the world’s billionaires](Forbes List Directory), there are four Indians from the Indian side of undivided Punjab. They are the Singhs of Ranbaxy, Mittal of Airtel, Jindal of Jindal steel and Thapar of Avantha. There is no Punjabi from Pakistan. Why? Because the conversion of Hindus has been the conversion of castes, not individuals (for a moment, let us discard the myth Muslims feed themselves about their Arab/Persian/Central Asian origins). All four of these individuals are from trading communities, Baniya and Khatri.
Few mercantile Hindu castes took up Islam. The Lohanas of Gujarat, who produce India’s and Karachi’s great Memon/Vora/Khoja communities, are among those who did. Lohanas dominate the economy of Karachi and its stock market. But not many Punjabi trading castes took up Islam. All Baniyas and most Khatris in Punjab remained Hindu while a few became Sikh.
**My hypothesis is that the division of the Punjabi nation in 1947 produced a Pakistani Punjab that was heavily weighted in favour of the martial castes. The trading castes, which tend to be more pragmatic and balance society’s extremism mostly left to come to India. **This has produced the imbalance which explains Pakistan’s fondness for a state dominated by soldiers. Gen Pervez Kayani runs the state’s foreign policy, security policy and most of its economic policy because the majority of Punjabis are comfortable with the idea of a warrior being in charge.
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Even our punjab has traditional recruitment in the Army. After 1857 revolt, british recruited Sikhs, we were anti-mughal and good soldier :)
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Re who is a good soldier and who is not - if the Hindus a d Muslims had sided with the British and Sikhs were opposing then Sikhs would have been on the losing side.
Whoever crossed over to the British side would be the victor. Doesn't make them superior warriors. The British gave high ranks to those who sided with them against their own people. Not sure that is an act of courage.
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By good soldier, I simply meant that we were professional soldiers any way. Hindus+Muslims means 95% of India's population. British+Sikhs+Gurkhas made less than one-third. It was definately superior British prowness that resulted in their favour.
the nationalism that we are talking was non-existent, Maharaja Ranjit's singh's empire was Sikh empire and so was mysore, empire of Tipu, it wasn't Indian empire. Sikh hated Mughals religiously, not sure if they considered it as treachary and it was better for sikhs to align with trecharous British than trechrous Mughals. The idea of nationhood was not the one which directed our first freedom fighter.
The political idea of motherland is Bengali transfered to braoder Indian discourses and from their trechary for and against nation is decided.
Nationalism on the other hand is very strange ideology, Rabindranath despised the Gandhian idea of nationalism, which in his views controlled transfer of idea and knowledge, there are beautifully written letters to Gandhi on this issue.
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Good post.
Comparing 95 pct to 33 pct is not the correct t metric to use. To the best of my knowledge, the British had superior weaponry. So really not a fair contest.
All this warrior class was perpetuated by the British. In fact the Brits should be the true warrior class. Better than any Hindustan has seen. Since a tiny island ruled the world. If we start comparing percentage of population. ..
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British took war more comprehensively than others, world should credit them in developing systems of managements. Nearly half of their army was of soldier, rest were administrative troop from clerks to gathrer of intelligence, logistics. they improvised non-combatant machinery that added lethal edge to their millary units.
Most beautiful was their adminsitratative units, I don't think that we ever distinguised between art of policing from army.
More than being brave, I find bravery, a very tribal idea though, they were smart and better equipped to deal with India than vice versa :)
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Few mercantile Hindu castes took up Islam. The Lohanas of Gujarat, who produce India’s and Karachi’s great Memon/Vora/Khoja communities, are among those who did. Lohanas dominate the economy of Karachi and its stock market. But not many Punjabi trading castes took up Islam. All Baniyas and most Khatris in Punjab remained Hindu while a few became Sikh.
I wonder where Rajput and Jatt classes fit in the equation. Most of Punjab was rural, and the business was in the hands of Hindus like other places in Pakistan.
I look at this differently. Due to the persistent invasions, I think we have developed the tendency to bear invasions (slave mentality).