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People who are in such a rush to use WMDs, especially in their own country, scare me.
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^^ ahan, well your own soliders beheaded in a busy street while dogs are circling them. Then the time is not to say " ooh they are human, we can't use WMD in our own soil"...
Use what you got, otherwise don't cry about fortress are faling...
Some new ways to kill talibans:
inject aids virus
use smaller 1-2 miles areas nukes. Wipe them. Even their cells.
drop air mines all around the area from pak and afghan side. Then seige.
Massacare, kill every one no mercy. Total inhaliation.
P.S. GHQ should deploy real army, stop putting all the money in pockets.
Re: Militants kill 30 troops in Pak fort capture
^^ ahan, well your own soliders beheaded in a busy street while dogs are circling them. Then the time is not to say " ooh they are human, we can't use WMD in our own soil"... Use what you got, otherwise don't cry about fortress are faling...
Some new ways to kill talibans:
inject aids virus use smaller 1-2 miles areas nukes. Wipe them. Even their cells. drop air mines all around the area from pak and afghan side. Then seige. Massacare, kill every one no mercy. Total inhaliation.
P.S. GHQ should deploy real army, stop putting all the money in pockets.
Look Pal!
U might think like Saddam and think by doing this u'll eliminate them all. Every effort should be make to protect the innocent. How about intelligence get off its rear and bust some cells and capture someone instead of sitting around doing nothing.
Where's the Army? why FC doing the dirty work that Army should be doing?
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Where's the Army? why FC doing the dirty work that Army should be doing?
That's the million dollar question.
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Where's the Army? why FC doing the dirty work that Army should be doing?
I think it's not that simple...How can Army kill its own pawns, the same ones that helped Pakistan to gather that much Kashmir , that it has now. Remember It was these same tribals who helped to drive the Indians out of Northern Areas & Azad Kashmir in 47-48.
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Putting 40 soldiers in a fortified position makes sense.
The problem is that these aren't soldiers, these are Frontier Corps men. They aren't trained like soldiers, aren't armed like soldiers, aren't supposed to do heavy fighting.
The British Army would regularly put 40-50 soldiers in fortified positions and they would face 500-1000 attackers with minimal air and artillery support in Iraq (Al-Amarah) and Afghanistan (Musa Qaleh until the withdrawal in 2006). Soldiers are trained for this situation, paramilitaries are not.
I cannot understand why our government is treating paramilitaries like soldiers
Obviously these forts are no longer consiodered fortified when all it takes are some rockets to take them out...
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Look Pal!
U might think like Saddam and think by doing this u'll eliminate them all. Every effort should be make to protect the innocent. How about intelligence get off its rear and bust some cells and capture someone instead of sitting around doing nothing.
Where's the Army? why FC doing the dirty work that Army should be doing?
Bcs Mush is all talk and no action...
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I think it's not that simple...How can Army kill its own pawns, the same ones that helped Pakistan to gather that much Kashmir , that it has now. Remember It was these same tribals who helped to drive the Indians out of Northern Areas & Azad Kashmir in 47-48.
I understand that, but Tribals are not doing this though (Even according to Musharraf and Co.). It's the certain group that is committing all these acts.
Re: Militants kill 30 troops in Pak fort capture
I understand that, but Tribals are not doing this though (Even according to Musharraf and Co.). It's the certain group that is committing all these acts.
I always thought tribals live in North & South Waziristan. Who else lives there then?? Why do tribals allow them to live there??
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I always thought tribals live in North & South Waziristan. Who else lives there then?? Why do tribals allow them to live there??
Tribals would allow you to live there too, if u showed up as a guest in need of refuge.
Govt. is/was working with them because each of them who yielded and wanted to work with Govt. was silenced (remember the few tribal leaders who were murdered). So it's pretty apparent that they people are kinda stuck there too...
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This is very serious...:(
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propaganda is propaganda?
how does this stuff end up on websites btw?? if they were killing left rigth and centre the situation would be worse than it is now.
I was unfortunate to end up on a blog full of terrorist propaganda. Including what is happening in Waziristan. Quite literally I was SHOCKED.
Militants are killing soldiers left right and centre. Beheading Iraq style, RPG attacks, mines even direct confrontations in day light. They are quite literally doing as they please. Afghanistan is probably safer than here. I have quite literally lost trust in the Army to restore order. What is all the money being spent on? after all the armed forces is the largest expense.
Pakistan loses control over second border fort
ROUNDUP: Pakistan loses control over second border fort
dpa
dpa - International News Service in English
Jan 17, 2008 10:22 EST
Islamabad (dpa) - Islamic militants on Thursday forced Pakistani security forces to abandon another strategic border fort a day after they seized a nearby outpost in the country's tribal region bordering Afghanistan, officials said.
The Sepalati Fort in the Jandola area of South Waziristan was vacated after the insurgents threatened to attack it, a local security official said.
"All 38 paramilitary soldiers deployed there have returned to the main base with their arms and vehicles," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
The development came a day after more than 200 tribal fighters seized the nearby Sararogha fort after an attack with rockets and small arms.
After looting weapons and ammunition and demolishing parts of the colonial era fort, the militants abandoned it on Wednesday night but government forces had not yet been able to regain its control.
"The militants have retreated but they are hiding in the nearby mountains and that is why the government forces are not daring to enter the fort," an official said.
The Army said 40 rebels and seven paramilitary soldiers from the Frontier Corps had died in the attack while 15 were still missing.
However, there were conflicting reports and claims about the casualties and numbers of attackers.
A spokesman for pro-Taliban commander Beitullah Mehsud claimed responsibility for the raid and said Mehsud's fighters had killed 16 troops and captured 24. "We lost only two of our men in the fighting," Maulvi Omar said.
The Dawn newspaper, citing security sources, said at least 22 soldiers had died and seven more had been taken hostage by 600 to 700 attackers.
"Soldiers put up a good fight but couldn't hold out for long in the face of an overwhelming militant force," a local security official told the newspaper.
Analysts said the attack was a major setback for the more than 120,000 security forces deployed in the restive border region, where, according to US military intelligence, the al-Qaeda terrorist network is also active.
"This is a reflection of the growing power of the militants in the region and the retreat of the state," said defence analyst and retired army general Talat Masoud. "They are totally overpowering the security forces and the local tribesmen are supporting them."
This success of the militants means that the paramilitary forces deployed in the tribal region are not well equipped and the militants are more powerful, better equipped and have a higher level of motivation, he added.
President Pervez Musharraf, a key US ally in the war against terror, has accused Mehsud of ordering several recent suicide bombings targeting security officials and politicians.
They include the gun and bomb attack on former prime minister and opposition leader Benazir Bhutto, who was slain at a political rally in Rawalpindi December 27. Only in 2007, more than 700 people were killed in over 50 suicide attacks across Pakistan.
Meanwhile, the suspected Islamic militants fired four rockets at Pakistan's army base in the Kamra district of eastern Punjab province but caused no casualties.
According to the district police chief Tariq Hanief Joia the rockets fired from six to eight kilometres distance partly damaged the building, a canteen on the army base.
Kamra is located at around one hour's drive from the capital Islamabad and is situated close to North-West Frontier Province, where pro-Taliban militants are expanding their influence.
Last month nine people were injured in an abortive attack by a suicide car bomber in the same city. dpa ns ls gma
**Source:** [dpa - International News Service in English](http://www.dpa.com/en/unternehmenswelt/index.html)
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it is time to threaten them with nuke bomb, trouble makers and their families should be resettle into other provinces (Northern Sindh and Souther Punjab).
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propaganda is propaganda? how does this stuff end up on websites btw?? if they were killing left rigth and centre the situation would be worse than it is now.
Now don't forget what you hear on news channels around the world is also propaganda from Pakistan army PR.
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Asia times have a video of this and other attacks on FC and army forts. The attackers are shown using missiles, rockets, mortars, machine guns and assault rifles. They appear to be well armed and supplied but the actual numbers taking part in these attacks seem to be smaller than what I expected. The soldiers in the posts appear to be sitting ducks to these kind of attacks from well armed and mobile attackers. Unless they take the offensive to the enemy, they will remain sitting ducks destined for defeat.