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No wonder our army is not eliminating them, perhaps $80 million per month (or is it day??) is more important than nation's lives, problems.
Save nation's lives against who??Our own nationals??
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Save nation's lives against who??Our own nationals??
errr, the ones e33or suggested to put in reserve.
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http://voanews.com/english/2008-01-16-voa20.cfm
Islamic Militants Capture Military Base in NW Pakistan
By Nancy-Amelia Collins
Islamabad
16 January 2008
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Islamic militants have captured a remote military outpost in northwest Pakistan near the Afghan border. VOA’s Nancy-Amelia Collins in Islamabad has more.
The Pakistan military said Wednesday more than 20 troops are missing and feared dead as Islamic militants linked to al Qaida captured a remote military outpost located along South Waziristan’s mountainous border with Afghanistan.
Military spokesman General Athar Abbas said about 300 Islamic militants attacked the Sararogha Fort from four sides late Tuesday evening.
“Around 300 plus miscreants launched a fresh attack with rocket fire and small arms fire and they were able to make a hole in the wall at the moment the fort has been captured by the militants,” he said.
Abbas says 15 troops were able to escape to an army base in Jandola, located around 35 kilometers east of Sararogha Fort, but up to 25 others are missing and feared dead.
Abbas also claimed the military killed 40 militants during Tuesday evening’s attack.
Pakistan’s Army troops arrive to take positions in the area of Matta near Mangora, the main town of Pakistani district Swat along Afghan border, 06 Jan 2008
Pakistan’s Army troops arrive to take positions in the area of Matta near Mangora, the main town of Pakistani district Swat along Afghan border, 06 Jan 2008
The capture of Sararogha Fort is the first military outpost captured by the Islamic militants since last October when the insurgents captured military and police posts in the tourist region of Swat Valley.
The government has since recaptured Swat Valley, but sporadic fighting continues in the region.
The Sararogha Fort outpost is one of dozens located along South Waziristan’s border with Afghanistan, a mountainous, lawless region where the Pakistan military patrols - checking for militants and weapons crossing between the two borders.
The Pakistan army has been battling with al Qaida linked militants in this region for several years.
Pakistan has been hit by over 20 suicide bombings in the past few months aimed mostly at the security forces that have claimed the lives of more than 400 people.
Benazir Bhutto arrives for election campaign rally in Rawalpindi, 27 Dec 2007
Benazir Bhutto arrives for election campaign rally in Rawalpindi, 27 Dec 2007
These attacks include the assassination last month of former prime minister and opposition leader Benazir Bhutto, who was killed while campaigning for parliamentary elections.
While Ms. Bhutto’s supporters blame elements within the government for her death, the government blames al Qaida-linked militant leader Baitullah Mehsud.
The Sararogha area where the military outpost was captured is also the stronghold of Mehsud and his followers.
Analysts say the growing number of suicide attacks coupled with this latest setback for the military is likely to contribute to fears the government is unable to contain the Islamic insurgency ahead of next month’s parliamentary elections.
Re: Militants kill 30 troops in Pak fort capture
Shamraz, I think they are just missing.
Like other troops who enjoyed some taliban hospitality, while back.
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subhanallah…
…If this is the thinking, then you don’t need indians anymore to harm you…
they won’t keep you alive to live with them…
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I still don't understand why the Army is not used instead of the FC.
The Frontier Corps are not part of the Army; as Interior ministry forces they lack the same training and resources as regular army have. (The FC consists of loyalist tribals led by officers on secondment from the army)
The Frontier Corps has repeatedly shown that it is not up to the task of fighting the Taliban. They should be withdrawn back to barracks, and real soldiers from the Army should instead stop sitting on their back sides and flood the FATA.
I can understand the risk of Frontier Force and Baluch Regiments soldiers perhaps not being willing to put 100% into fighting the tribals. But I see no reason why the battalions from the Sindh Regiment and Punjab Regiment are not sent forth to relieve the FC of duty.
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exactly, this is the main reason…the generals can’t kill this golden egg laying hen… 
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Ghq is not deploying regular army men coz of high altitude warfare issues. Our Punjab/Sindh regiments are not well trained for fight in a area of 10-20 k height.
Best solution is to use intelligence and kill master minds in covert operations, use SSg or ssw. I will sugest to use b & c weapons, but sorry to say most will not agree. 
P.s. Fc are going through training and moderenalization program, let’s hope for the best. 
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I think Pakistan should give them liberty and cut them off from rest of the country and let them live in stone age.
Unfortunately that won't do it either :(
Them apples don't sell no more. They're not after independance.
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well then total inhaliation should work, use nukes in wazeristan or biological weapons. Napams will also work, burn then to death.
God damn taliban
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^^ no better idea would be to use this American made Gay Bomb which causes men to become gay
if all taliban are gay, they can’t reproduce and thus wiping them out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bomb
Perfect weapon to deal with these Taliban Animals
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These guys are so brutal, they beheaded 7 paramiltary/scouts and killed 30 in total.
I don't know what Pakistan is scared off in dealing with them.
I am sure the fatwa here is to kill anyone ,who disturbs the peace of any Muslim nation.
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I was unfortunate to end up on a blog full of terrorist propaganda. Including what is happening in Waziristan. Quite literally I was SHOCKED.
Militants are killing soldiers left right and centre. Beheading Iraq style, RPG attacks, mines even direct confrontations in day light. They are quite literally doing as they please. Afghanistan is probably safer than here. I have quite literally lost trust in the Army to restore order. What is all the money being spent on? after all the armed forces is the largest expense.
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^^ All this just shows how much better the American Army is trained than our own
USA has never been defeated in any single confrontation in Iraq or Afghanistan and nor have they ever abandoned the posts
Like it or not, the myth of our Army is being stripped
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I totally agree. I thought I would never see the day where our soldiers in our country lie beheaded in middle of a busy market street. Dogs circling around to get some flesh off.
I am sure many more have been killed than the figures we are fed by high command.
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This is why I dont consider Mush to be the leader Pak needs in such a war... These "forts" are old remnants of a bygone era. They serve no real function now as they are easily destroyed and taken out.
And what the heck did they expect, when you put 40 soldiers behind some walls in a War Zone against a pack of thousands of rabid dogs...
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Putting 40 soldiers in a fortified position makes sense.
The problem is that these aren't soldiers, these are Frontier Corps men. They aren't trained like soldiers, aren't armed like soldiers, aren't supposed to do heavy fighting.
The British Army would regularly put 40-50 soldiers in fortified positions and they would face 500-1000 attackers with minimal air and artillery support in Iraq (Al-Amarah) and Afghanistan (Musa Qaleh until the withdrawal in 2006). Soldiers are trained for this situation, paramilitaries are not.
I cannot understand why our government is treating paramilitaries like soldiers
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Putting 40 soldiers in a fortified position makes sense.
The problem is that these aren't soldiers, these are Frontier Corps men. They aren't trained like soldiers, aren't armed like soldiers, aren't supposed to do heavy fighting.
The British Army would regularly put 40-50 soldiers in fortified positions and they would face 500-1000 attackers with minimal air and artillery support in Iraq (Al-Amarah) and Afghanistan (Musa Qaleh until the withdrawal in 2006). Soldiers are trained for this situation, paramilitaries are not.
I cannot understand why our government is treating paramilitaries like soldiers
Since the forts and check posts attract the terrorists, they can be used as means to trap the terrotists. Make the fortifications strong so that can't be over-run by the terrorists and provide air and artillery support to the forts. When the fort comes under attack, the attackers need to be surrounded with air attack. This is what the US and Nato forces do. As soon as they engage the terrorists, they call in gunships and bombers. In this case the terrorists themselves are engaging the troops. These battles at forts and check posts last for hours. I don't know why proper air support is not there for the brave and valiant FC soldiers. These attacks are usually at night, this should be an advantage to the troops because they can use heavy and indiscriminate force without having to worry about colateral damage.
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well then total inhaliation should work, use nukes in wazeristan or biological weapons. Napams will also work, burn then to death.
God damn taliban
Do you know what It means using nukes or bio weapons. Speaking of utilizing these horrible weapons is easy when you dont have your own family living their or next to It.