Militants capture 12 more troops in NW Pakistan

At the rate militants are capturing our troops in tribal areas…soon we wont have any troops left to fight any war. This is getting pathetic.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKISL18236920070912

PESHAWAR, Pakistan (Reuters) - About 200 pro-Taliban militants attacked a paramilitary post in northwest Pakistan on Wednesday and captured 12 soldiers, an official said, in the latest incident of spiralling violence in the region.

Separately, a militant spokesman in the South Waziristan region on the Afghan border said they would kill three soldiers a day from a group of 300 they captured last month, if security forces did not stop attacks, Al Jazeera television reported.

The violence is adding to a sense of crisis as President Pervez Musharraf, who is also army chief and an important U.S. ally, attempts to secure another term in office in the face of legal challenges.

The United States regularly calls on Pakistan to do more to tackle militants in its northwestern border regions, where U.S. officials say al Qaeda and the Taliban are able to regroup.

While the vast majority of Pakistanis abhor militant violence, many also object to Musharraf’s support for the U.S.-led war on terrorism.

Violence in northwest Pakistan has escalated since July when a peace deal with militants broke down in one region and the army stormed a radical mosque in the capital, Islamabad, to quell a Taliban-style movement linked to militants in the northwest.

In the latest attack, militants firing rocket-propelled grenades raided at a post on the outskirts of the town of Bannu in North West Frontier Province before dawn.

“After the rocket attack, about 200 militants launched a physical attack on the post and kidnapped 12 men of the Frontier Constabulary,” said an officer in the force, Amir Badshah Utmankheil.

The abduction came as authorities were still trying to negotiate the release of paramilitary soldiers captured as they travelled in a convoy last month in South Waziristan, which is also in the northwest.

The military say about 240 soldiers were taken and elders from ethnic Pashtun tribes are trying to mediate and negotiate their release.

The militants say they are holding 300 soldiers and will start to kill three of them every day if security forces do not stop shelling, which a militant spokesman told Al Jazeera television had killed two civilians this week.

The militants are demanding the withdrawal of troops from the area and the release of 15 of their comrades.

Late last month, the militants released 18 paramilitary soldiers and a civilian official after holding most of them for three weeks. But they killed one of the soldiers and videotaped a teenaged boy cutting the man’s head off.

Several hundred people have been killed in violence since July, most in the northwest. But more than 50 people have been killed in suicide blasts in Islamabad and the nearby city of Rawalpindi, where the army has its headquarters.

On Tuesday, 18 people were killed by a suicide bomber in another northwestern city.

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I'm starting to suspect that the Frontier Constabulary doesn't have the stomach to actually fight the militants. Could this be due to an unwillingness among these paramilitaries to fight fellow Pakhtuns?

Perhaps it's time to withdraw the ethnic Pakhtun paramilitary forces and bring in Army soldiers (as opposed to paramilitaries) from Punjab and Sindh to deal with the rebels.

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All of these troops being captured are from the Frontier Constabulary and Frontier Corps. As Interior Ministry units, these are not part of the Pakistan Army and are supposed to be used for internal security rather than fighting wars.

Rest assured that the militants have yet to capture a soldier from any unit of the Pakistan Army, so there is no danger of not having troops to fight a war :)

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mad scientist, sentiment in regular Pak Army is more or less the same as the FC, as far as fighting our own people is concerned.

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sigh Killing our own people, such an noble task for our army. They can't kill the kafir's so they do it to their own muslim people. Now if someone with some religious knowledge could tell us, what is the punishment for a muslim who kills another muslim? Eternal damnation or so much more?

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^ What is even worse is, killing a muslim for the sake of a kafir, and to top it....making it a law of the land and prosecuting/killing/kidnapping those who act otherwise.

If this is not apostacy, then what is?

Great work by the FCs for, laying down their arms and not fighting their own muslim brothers. Let the kuffars and their allies burn in their rage!

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So, the question is why they there on the 1st place? If we're going to tame the tribal areas, they only understand one thing, force. Anyway, this is a lost cause. Let us not kill our own people by our army for foreign interest. Time to rethink our strategy in FATA, and let us not make the same mistake that many others did in the same regions from Brits to Russians. Time to show uncle middle figure, and let them fight their own war on terror and get out of this mess.

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So when on July 14th a convoy of soldiers was attacked in the FATA in violation of the Waziristan peace agreement, and 14 of those soldiers killed, should the government have made no effort to hunt down the attackers and bring them to trial?

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The difference is that the Frontier Constabulary is recruited from amongst the same areas it is deployed in. They share the same language, culture, values as the rebels who are fighting the government and trying to overthrow the law, and quite possibly have family members who are part of the rebellion or sympathetic to it.

The debriefing of the captured officers (assuming the officers were not the ones who were executed) should reveal much about why the forces surrendered to regularly - FC officers are never locals.

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The Taliban deserve to be killed, whether its for "kafir" or anyone else... Thats not apostacy, that doing Islam a favor.

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  1. As Mad says FC is not PA.

  2. In this situation, 200 armed militants attacked and captured 12 men. The outcome could only have been this. Only in film to 12 men defeat 200.

  3. Obviously will is not there in FC to tackle there countrymen.

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Not if chuck norris was there.. :hoonh:

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Ok, Chuck Norris aside.

12 FC troops taken by 200 fighters is not a shock. The 200-300 surrender is an issue, and on that we dont know the conditions under which they surrendered. It could be cowardice, moral reluctance to fight (both these are unforgivable), or they may have been strategically ambushed/defeated to a point wherein they could not win.

PA and FC are seperate forces. But for sure any loyalty to anything above commanders orders must be investigated.

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We need to slowly make FC a more professional than a tribal force. I know FC and rangers are for border security but if the govt is going to use them for law & order, then separate professional units [in FC / Rangers or outside] should be raised. You don't hear border patrol in the West going on law enforcement missions. Pakistan's higher command [doing the thinking] needs some serious rethinking and it is not just Musharraf's fault. Musharraf can't be nitpicky on each and every military / law & order operation.

PS I don't know how the pakistan army is set up but an indian i know said that khalistan taught IA a lesson not to have all one ethnic units. He told me that during its peaks, even IA officers defected to the khalistanis due to same ethnicity..

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Yes, we should all support sharaabi and his support ofsuicide bombings of innocent pakistanis. That sure will help us all.

Damn those kafir passenger buses! We need to blow them all up.

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******, do you support al-Qaeda in Iraq bombing Shi'as?

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Now this is wat you call a hypocrite thinking..... your accusing army killing fellow muslims....... seems like if your not on army side then u must belong to the other side who are sachey pakay muslims who just love to blow up people in restaurants,busses,shopping plazas......
So let me ask you the same question you purposed
* what is the punishment of killing** innocent** Pakistani civilians ,doesnt matter which religion they belong to.*

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The Shia-Sunni matter in Iraq is a totally different issue, and does not relate to the topic of this thread. You do not need to pull in shias in every other post of yours

Please come back again, when you're done supporting the biggest terrorist organization in the region. :)

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Nice dodge, you support the killing of shias don't you?

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Please come back again, when you're done supporting the biggest terrorist organization in the region. :)
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Why do your heroes love blowing up markets and passenger buses? Have they declared them harram and as tools of the kuffar?

The entire world knows who the biggest terrorists are right now. From China to the UK, people everywhere recognize the danger of mullah terrorists. Even among Muslims, the support for jihadi terrorists will start to diminish when they see how much killing they do of their own people. And the shia-sunni conflict is part of the same problem, don't try to shove it under the carpet. The same people who were killing shias for their beliefs are now killing all Pakistanis for their beliefs.

And you have never answered this, if you support these people so much, why don't you join them in Waziristan instead of enjoying the high life in UAE?

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Yeah, darn, those militants will be tasting hellfire soon enough. Pity.

:rolleyes: