Re: Militancy: The Punjab Connection
well while we try to assert who is more involved in this militancy , ie a person from FATA, Pakhtoonkhwa, Punjab, Sindh, Blochistan etc. I dont why we discussing this?? they all from Pakistan and thats important.
while enemies love to such topic and they try to devide us on all issues.
we should be discussing instead
Militancy : The Foreign Connection!
thats the more appropriate and relevant to current unrest in the country.
Its always easy to blame someone for your own problems. We always do it. Some peopel blame the Pak Army, ISI, some people blame the tribals, some people blame tthe Americans......reality is all have dirty hands......change will come from within.
Whatever has happend in the past has happened. There are many ways forward and different stakeholders have to unite.
If there is really a foreign connection then the whole situation will be made more complex.
well while we try to assert who is more involved in this militancy , ie a person from FATA, Pakhtoonkhwa, Punjab, Sindh, Blochistan etc. I dont why we discussing this?? they all from Pakistan and thats important.
while enemies love to such topic and they try to devide us on all issues.
we should be discussing instead
Militancy : The Foreign Connection!
thats the more appropriate and relevant to current unrest in the country.
its justan article written in a newspaper. It does not reveal anything but some ones point of view. As true as it could be the reality is journalism is just journalism whoever they quote.
Madrassas are not that big a threat. The vast majority of madrassa students are peace loving people who keep out of these troubles. They have just been maligned thanks to the media nationally and internationally.
The following articles will reveal who were actually involved in assasination of or assasination attempts on Musharaf, Benazir Bhutto, Prime Miniter Gilani, and lately on Asfandyar Wali Khan...and that who was involved in the destruction of Marriot Hotel. This shows how is extremist and miltant dugged deep in Pakistan's political, security, and religious-educational structures.
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Kashmir is a different situation - its a region divided by 2 enemy countries. Its whole background has a different story than the Taliban issue. Although there are some similarities.
The difference between militants in kashmir and militants within FATA and Swat is that the Militants in the pakistani side of Kashmir did not try and establish shariah law there. People were not told to keep beards, or how to dress, or to stop education of women.
There appears to be some involvement of India on the western side of pakistan - what do you expect Pakistan to do? Its only natural they will start responding in the same way. Both India and pakistan needtobe booted out of Afghanistan and thatw ill solve quite a few problems.
Sad fact is that it will be innocent people in Pakistan afghanistan and India who will lose their lives.
It is not that simple my dear. What explaination would you give of Jehadist phenomenon in Kashmir between 1988 and 2002? Were Kashmiris then gullible? I read a BBC article authored by Ilyas Khan, which said when ISI some months before agaist started jehadist inflitration via Neelum Valley, the inhabitants of that valley along the border with Indian Kashmir had approached the army people and begged them not to make their lives miserable again.
The basic thing is when an institution is in full control of the things and other people are helpless, you can create any Jehadi character.
......if you want to get rid of mosquitoes [terrorists from Punjab] you need to drain the swamp [do police action in Southern Punjab].
I see what you are saying. However you may be a bit off the mark in your assertion. Southern Punjab does have a functioning police system, modern court system, and a decent business environment.
I am assuming the reason for your assertion was twofold. You were implying that the real terror is not in FATA so army should not do an operation there. Instead the army operation should be launched in Southern Punjab.
If that's what you wanted to say, then the first part is correct and the second part is not.
The first part where you say FATA is not the source of terror so army operation should not be conducted there.
This is correct but not for the reason you mentioned. The real source of instability not in FATA but the whole region has been just one country and that is Afghanistan. And this source of instability is there for many decades now.
Afghanistan is the cancer in the area and it is attracting Jihadis from all over the world and not just Southern Punjab. If you do a bit of research, you would find Afghan-inspired Jihadis from UK, US, West Africa, Middle East, and Central Asia. Thus anyone who blames only Punjabi Jihadis is either naive or in worst case playing the ethnic card.
If we can all see that Afghanistan is the real source of terror, then Pakistan army should immediately stop operations in FATA and instead launch "with the help of NATO" operations inside Afghanistan.
As long as Afghanistan is unstable, and open to the tribal warlordism, and ethnic hatred, there won't be peace in the region let alone in FATA.
For example, let's focus on one area along Pak Afghan border i.e. Bajore. The real source of terror is not Bajore proper, instead it is Kunar province in Afghanistan plus a very thin belt along Pak-Afghan border. Thus Pak army should have attacked Kunar. While securing Kunar they should have done a minimal operation at the Bajore-Kunar border area. The problem of Bajore would have been over by now.
Right now thanks to our religiosity, and misdirected media, Pak army is not being allowed into Afghanistan. The sooner we go after Afghan cancer the quicker the region will heal.
NATO or the broken down demoralized Afghan army doesn't have enough manpower to protect their borders. That's why Afghanistan is a haven for terror from every part of the world.
If Pakistan moves its 80 K (out of 100+K) troops out of FATA and deploys them to Afghanistan. And if necessary sends additional 100K to man the borders of Afghanistan, things will improve in months.
Once Afghan cancer is treated and a continuous therapy of both chemical and radiation is injected in the desired Afghan areas, you will see that very soon peace would prevail in the region.
.......As has been mentioned violence in punjab preceded the violence in FATA.
.......if you want to get rid of mosquitoes you need to drain the swamp.
Its always easy to blame someone for your own problems. We always do it. Some peopel blame the Pak Army, ISI, some people blame the tribals, some people blame tthe Americans......reality is all have dirty hands......change will come from within.
Whatever has happend in the past has happened. There are many ways forward and different stakeholders have to unite.
If there is really a foreign connection then the whole situation will be made more complex.
well we didnt have this problem before afghanistan is invaded by US and nato. there may be few people who are sympathetic to taliban, THE BLA/bugti and mesud, molla fazalullah etc while portraying as pakistani talibans, in fact works for some one else and for vested interests.
US/India/Afghanistan are playing a slow and steady double games poltical, spy, and covert operations to destablise Pakistan.
We got rid of BLA, we will fix this evil too inshallah. with so much funding and support going on for these lunatics its proving a bit hard, but Pak army will get rid of them.
well we didnt have this problem before afghanistan is invaded by US and nato. there may be few people who are sympathetic to taliban,.....
My oh my do we have short memories or what!
We had huge problem in Swat and Bajore "loooong" before 9/11. It was a major uprising thanks to the Wahabi inspired Sharia movement. Pakistan was able to put that issue down and unfortunately we all went back to sweat Islamic dreams. In the meanwhile Swatis, Bajoris, and Waziris were further reinforced by the Saudi charities and guess what now we have a much bigger terror monster at our hand.
Anyone who blames 9/11 for religion inspired terror in Pakistan is naive at best. But our hunch is that all such disinformation is being spread on behalf of and by the terror-sympathizers.
My oh my do we have short memories or what!
We had huge problem in Swat and Bajore "loooong" before 9/11. It was a major uprising thanks to the Wahabi inspired Sharia movement. Pakistan was able to put that issue down and unfortunately we all went back to sweat Islamic dreams. In the meanwhile Swatis, Bajoris, and Waziris were further reinforced by the Saudi charities and guess what now we have a much bigger terror monster at our hand.
Anyone who blames 9/11 for religion inspired terror in Pakistan is naive at best. But our hunch is that all such disinformation is being spread on behalf of and by the terror-sympathizers.
So Shariah is wahabi inspired, so is it not part of Islam? Do we have to wait for the next Khalifah or Hazrat Isa (alayhas salaam) before Shariah can be part of Islam.
The Shariah (sacred law) and the Fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence) provide us with the rulings in different matters. For example.....I guess I won't give you one.
My brother, think we before you type. How would get issues resolve without Shariah? Divorce, marriage, business dealing, Halal/Haraam.
*These Jahil Mullahs in Swat, Bajoris, and Waziristan want to impose their own version of Islam which will benefit them ant their agenda. It is time to clean up Pakistan. *
These problems are not new they have been going on for long time, our politician, Military leaders kept their eyes close and looked other way bececause it didn't directly effected them but now things are different.
It does nt stop them enrolling into the army does it?
If the army left Swat then it would be back in the militant hands. The militants were not allowed todevelop roots in places suchas Dir, Mardan, Bunair....thankfully some have common sense outthere!
As for Kohistanis asking, you might have heard that people of Bunair, Dir, Swat, Shabqadar, Mardan, etc. have formed their own lashkars(emergency army) and have decided neither to let Taleban nor security forces (army) to enter their areas because they consider both to be the two faces of the same coin.
Re: Militancy: The Punjab Connection
Militancy: the India and Afghan Connection (the foreign hand and there’s more to it..)
Arrested militants name RAW, Afghan agency for funding
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It does nt stop them enrolling into the army does it?
If the army left Swat then it would be back in the militant hands. The militants were not allowed todevelop roots in places suchas Dir, Mardan, Bunair....thankfully some have common sense outthere!
yes, they have greater sense than those having seen debacle on every front since 1971 but are still continuing with the old policies using ideological and militant islam as an instrument of geopolitics.
between...the article has been written by a non-Pashtun and exposes only a tip of the iceberg...so your anger should be directed at the author of the article than Pashtuns.