Michael Holding' s "doosra" comment and does it make any difference?

Well I don’t know if he made this comment to stir something up since he is a very “just” commentator in general. He is not biased. However his side is struggling a lot against spin these days.

He has been quoted as: “My belief regarding the doosra is very clear, I don’t think it can be bowled legally,” Holding had said during the second ODI between Pakistan and West Indies in St Lucia. (his comment is on several news sites)

Also, Iqbal Qasim already criticized Holding. For sure Pakistan doesn’t want to loose a supporter such as Michael who has always supported the position of Pakistani cricket even in the darkest moments. However he has a certain point of view which needs to be addressed. BTW, I wonder where Kamran Abbasi and Osman Samiuddin are these days??

http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/29/iqbal-qasim-criticises-holdings-comment.html

Iqbal Qasim criticises Holding’s comment

By Mohammad Yaqoob | From the Newspaper April 29, 2011 (3 days ago)

LAHORE: Former Test cricketer and national chief selector Iqbal Qasim has criticised Michael Holding, the celebrated West Indies fast bowler, for challenging the legality of ‘doosra’ delivery.

“First of all, Holding cannot see with naked eye whether wrist or elbow is being used to bowl ‘doosra’. And secondly, it is not only Pakistan’s off-spinners but also Sri Lankans and Indians who have been bowling this delivery for many years. And these spin bowlers are playing very effective role for their teams with no complaint coming from any quarter,” said Iqbal while talking to Dawn.

Iqbal added Sri Lankan spinners Muttiah Muralitharan and Ajantha Mendis, bowled ‘doosra’ without changing their action, most probably, with the help of fingers and wrist.

“I am not defending ‘doosra’ but only want that it would have been better, had Holding suggested the ICC to check the legality of the delivery if he has some doubts,” he said.

He reckoned the International Cricket Council (ICC) was the best judge to declare ‘doosra’ legal or illegal delivery, adding Holding could only suggest the game’s governing body to take necessary steps to decide the status of the delivery.

According to a recent media report, Holding said: “My belief regarding the ‘doosra’ is very clear, I don’t think it can be bowled legally.

“I find it difficult to believe any human being can bowl that delivery, with his wrist alone, the elbow has to be used for the power. It’s a matter of how much elbow power the bowler uses and the ICC obviously believes some bowlers use less than the 15 degrees and others don’t, as only some bowlers actions are questioned and reported.”

The statement from Holding comes at a time when Pakistan’s spin trio of Saeed Ajmal, Shahid Afridi and Mohammad Hafeez have shared eight wickets among them in the first two ODIs of the ongoing five-match series against the West Indies.

Iqbal further said Holding should not raise the point at this stage as Pakistan bowlers were in the Caribbean as guests.

Re: Michael Holding' s "doosra" comment and does it make any difference?

whats next? 'quicker one' will be illegal too?

Re: Michael Holding' s "doosra" comment and does it make any difference?

Frankly WI dont have much pedigree when it comes to spin bowling. Read this in the same light as say Sunil Gavaskar wondering whether its even possible to bowl over 135km/h without using some sort of trickery.

Re: Michael Holding’ s “doosra” comment and does it make any difference?

^ Lance Gibbs was an exception though

I think Holding does have a point. It is impossible to bowl the Chinaman or ‘doosra’ as it is called now without some straightening of the elbow. It can be bowled legally but it is true you cannot bowl the doosra from the wrist alone esp. over the 22 yards. This is why the ICC changed the laws - set the legal limit of 15 degrees of permissible straightening of the elbow joint for all bowlers in international cricket - to accomodate it

The point is most international bowlers are able to bowl the doosra by straightening the elbow upto 15 degrees & hence not bowling it illegally, so Holding is wrong there

Saqlain had a very straight arm. There are even many pictures of him bowling in short sleeves (so confident was he about his action) and yet no umpire ever raised doubts over his bowling action.

But with a lot of other bowlers incl. Murali, Bhajji and Ajmal, you can actually see the straightening of the elbow with your own eyes, not in slow mo but live

And as the following pics illustrate the arm is straightened before (and not after) release of the ball

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/attachment.php?attachmentid=4858&d=1304296387&thumb=1&stc=1

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/attachment.php?attachmentid=4859&d=1304296430&thumb=1&stc=1

But Holding’s ire should be directed at the ICC for creating a stupid allowance for the doosra, which discourages people to try to bowl it with as straight an arm as possible as Saqlain did.

**( ps. Doosra (Chinaman): **The bowler delivers the ball with the same finger action as a normal off break but cocks the wrist so that the back of the hand faces the batsman. This gives the ball spin in the opposite direction to that for an off break, causing it to spin from the leg side to the off side to a right-handed batsman.

The doosra is the off-spinner’s equivalent of the leg-spinner’s googly, which spins in the opposite direction to the leg spinner’s stock ball.
Doosra - Wikipedia**)**


Restored attachments:

Re: Michael Holding' s "doosra" comment and does it make any difference?

fantastic post Asif!!

Re: Michael Holding’ s “doosra” comment and does it make any difference?

That says it all