Miandad's six sank India against Pakistan for too long

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Medical Journal talks about Cricket!!! :konfused:

Did Miandad’s famous six had such an impact? Really? or is it too much extrapolation?

**Why Pakistan’s winning streak lasted so long: BMJ analysis **

PARIS, April 1: Pakistan’s long string of cricket successes against India, which ended in a maiden Test defeat at home on Thursday, is all down to one fateful stroke of the bat in 1986, according to an offbeat scientific analysis.

The blow was struck by Javed Miandad, when he scored a match-winning six off the last ball in a one-day match that Pakistan had seemed destined to lose, according to the tongue-in-cheek study published in next Saturday’s British Medical Journal (BMJ).

That shot - “heard throughout South Asia and much of the world” - had a dramatic effect on morale, lifting India and sinking Pakistan, in their confrontations over the next decade and a half, the authors suggest.

They painstakingly analysed all 133 India-Pakistan matches between 1952 and 2003. There were 47 Test matches and 86 one-day matches. India won five (11 percent) of the Tests, and 30 (35 percent) of the one-day contests. Pakistan won nine Tests (19 percent) and 52 (60 percent) of the one-dayers. The rest were drawn or abandoned “because of bad weather, crowd trouble and assassination,” the authors point out.

Before 1986, Pakistan and India were equal in one-day wins, at eight apiece. After 1986, Pakistan became the unmistakeable top dogs, winning 44 one-dayers to India’s 22. In Tests, the score was six to four in Pakistan’s favour before 1986. But afterwards, Pakistan’s tally was three wins to just one by India.

Thanks to that single stroke by Miandad, Pakistan “achieved greater success in both forms of the game,” the study says. “These data suggest that in one-day matches, Miandad’s performance inspired an improvement in Pakistan’s performance or a decline in India’s, or both, but this effect was small in test cricket.”

They add, prophetically: “A single shot had an enduring influence. Now India must have a landmark victory of its own.” The cricket-besotted authors are the BMJ’s deputy editor, Kamran Abbasi, and Khalid Khan, a consultant gynaecologist at the Women’s Health Care NHS Trust, in Birmingham, England. -AFP

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I agree with this article. These are few incident which have very far reaching consequences. If you look at Pakistan's record post Javed-SIX you will see that team has acheived a lot.

I think similar incident was India's win against AUS in calcutta. This incident reformed Indian cricket and we saw Indians achieved a lot in TEST cricket after that.

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Re: Miandad’s six sank India against Pakistan for too long

That’s because these are two “Pakistani” cricket enthusiasts working for the Medical journal. They being Pakistanis, we couldn’t have expected a different result from their so-called “research”.

One of them is Kamran Abbasi who I find generally biased in his writings (yes, I dont have to be good to him just because he contrbutes to Gupshup). He is the man who before the One-day series said that Pak would run away with the series because in One-day cricket , utility cricketers like Razzak, Malik, Afridi etc. are more effective than master batsmen like Tendulkar, Laxman etc. I wonder what he thinks about his theory now.

As far as this “research” is concerned, it is total trash to me… the fact that Pak faired better than India during late eighties and most of the nineties was simply because Pak was the better team man-2-man. During this time Pak had such players as Wasim, Waqar, Anwar etc performing at their best. While India was getting beaten by not just Pak…but most other countries…

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oh no. Not the dreaded six again. How many times is it going to come up again? Frankly, I used to enjoy reading Indian response to that but now its getting annoying.

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Re: Re: Miandad's six sank India against Pakistan for too long

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*Originally posted by Some1: *

That's because these are two "Pakistani" cricket enthusiasts working for the Medical journal. They being Pakistanis, we couldn't have expected a different result from their so-called "research".

One of them is Kamran Abbasi who I find generally biased in his writings (yes, I dont have to be good to him just because he contrbutes to Gupshup). He is the man who before the One-day series said that Pak would run away with the series because in One-day cricket , utility cricketers like Razzak, Malik, Afridi etc. are more effective than master batsmen like Tendulkar, Laxman etc. I wonder what he thinks about his theory now.

As far as this "research" is concerned, it is total trash to me... the fact that Pak faired better than India during late eighties and most of the nineties was simply because Pak was the better team man-2-man. During this time Pak had such players as Wasim, Waqar, Anwar etc performing at their best. While India was getting beaten by not just Pak...but most other countries...
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Some1, thank you for pointing out that Kamran Abbasi too can biased and ill informed if one cares to see it that way.Fact is no cricket writer canbe totally objective, but I am constantly surprised how people here insist that all Indian publications are either gossipping or lying. If the same quotes are reproduced in bbc or jung, it's ok, but if it's TOI or Rediff it's junk.

I absolutely agree with you that the 6 was not responsible for decades of Pakistani dominance. Maybe for some time it had an effect on Indian players, but overall their mental and physical capabilities were less than Pakistan's, so they lost. I remember once Imran had said that Pakistan would snatch victory from the jaws of defeat when playing against India, because Indians would walk out on the field thinking they would lose, and Pakistanis that they would win. As today's second most read online '
'gossip rag' (TOI) quotes Dravid, 'It's all in the mind, and we want to win in Lahore too'.

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Karina, dont even get me started on the TOI group websites (TOI/Economic Times/India Times).

They publish total garbage. Scores of people may die in a train accident, soldiers may be killed in Kashmir but their headlines will only have trashy cricket gossip OR how India is becoming an IT superpower(exaggerated stories about call centers/outsourcing et al) - all this will be invariably accompanied by a picture of a scantily clad model walking down the ramp.

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karina,

That six may not be solely reponsible for their dominance but what it did is that it took their confidence level to a very high level. It just didnt improve their records against India ,It improved Pak’s over all game.After that incident, they won so many matches from position of no where. Salim malik in Calcutta, Abdul Qarid scoring 10 runs in last 3 balls in WC.Asif Mujatab scoring SIX in last over to win.Manzoor Elahi kicikng Indians all over. History is full of examples like this. If you see pre-SIX era you will see less and less example of thess kind. I think that six definitly improve their mental strength and will be counted as one of defining moment in Pak cricket. Pretty much same as India’s come from behind win against AUS in Calcutta aka Laxman’s brilliant 281.

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*Originally posted by Some1: *
Karina, dont even get me started on the TOI group websites (TOI/Economic Times/India Times).

They publish total garbage. Scores of people may die in a train accident, soldiers may be killed in Kashmir but their headlines will only have trashy cricket gossip OR how India is becoming an IT superpower(exaggerated stories about call centers/outsourcing et al) - all this will be invariably accompanied by a picture of a scantily clad model walking down the ramp. /QUOTE
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I could'nt hav said better

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at least the model is not exxagerated.:hehe:

FB, am not disagreeing with you, I just meant that is not as if indians walked out and thougth of that 6 and lost, it was because they had no answer to Pak mental strength.

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On a second reading I think I misunderstood FB,. Yup, that 6 was just as important as the test win in Calcutta. Or the Natwest final.

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People who did this so-called "research" forget that during the nineties, Pak was the better team not just vis-a-vis India - but also most other countries.

That SIX or not, Pakistan would not have dominated India if they didn't have world-class bowlers like Akram and Waqar during the period...also Saqlain & Akhtar during the late nineties...and not to forget Saeed Anwar who simply loved Indian bowling. These guys tormented not just India but most other countries...

However, That SIX might have been a psychological factor to the extent that Indians started to get panicky in the end overs if the match went to the wire and in the process they often stole defeats from the jaws of victory - and this was not just against Pak but other countries as well.

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People who did this so-called "research" forget that during the nineties, Pak was the better team not just *vis-a-vis India - but also most other countries.

That SIX or not, Pakistan would not have dominated India if they didn't have world-class bowlers like Akram and Waqar during the period...also Saqlain & Akhtar during the late nineties...and not to forget Saeed Anwar who simply loved Indian bowling. These guys tormented not just India but most other countries...

However, That SIX might have been a psychological factor to the extent that Indians started to get panicky in the end overs if the match went to the wire and in the process they often stole defeats from the jaws of victory - and this was not just against Pak but other countries as well.
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Mere baap..No one is taking away anything from the talent that pakistan had during 90s.
What we are saying isthat that SIX took pakistani team to different level psycologically. They had greater faithg in thmeselves. After that they did win lots of close matches against all the teams including Indians. if you see howmany close matches pakistan won prior to that incident then you will know what I am talking about.