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Statistically i couldn't really tell you the specific of Why Exactly or Why Not for that matter...
But it was the start of a 'mega project'....it set the foundation for the continuing works to follow such as Islamabad-Peshawar link and others...
It's still used as an outstanding example
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no worries, just giving some perspective on the achievements of NS. If that is his one achievement (I dont count the nuclear thing HIS.. its been the one ongoing project of govts since Bhutto. He just didnt commit political suicide by rolling it back) then there were tenures during which two similar projects were done.
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^ At the end of the day its about comparing someone who did atleast something to a lot of donkeys who did absolutely nothing. Whats that saying... andhon mein kana raja.
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Once again, two similar projects that are footnotes in our discussions were done in a similar time frame in a different tenure. So its only a big achievement in context of how little got done as a whole.
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I get the need for roads, and bigger roads when smaller roads arent doing the job. As I understand it though, the air travel time between Lahore and Islamabad is about a half hour. Comparable to Islamabad and Peshawar, and I would guess Karachi and Gwadar. Why is the Lahore-Islamabad link touted as a major achievement, and the latter two are an afterthought?
with more population comes more moving around
more transport needs
more traffic and thus need a bigger solution
u cant compare the traficc of karachi gawader with inter punjab traffic, same with islamabd and peshawer
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LockJaw, Once you see something being done already, see its costs and benefits and then do a copy paste. Who would you think deserves the credit? The guy with gonads who took the risk or the guy who duplicated it?
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with more population comes more moving around more transport needs more traffic and thus need a bigger solution
u cant compare the traficc of karachi gawader with inter punjab traffic, same with islamabd and peshawer
Im not comparing the traffic of the respective motorways (although the Islamabad-Peshawar traffic is not insignificant). Obviously all motorways need to meet a certain threshold of utilization to be viable projects.
LockJaw, Once you see something being done already, see its costs and benefits and then do a copy paste. Who would you think deserves the credit? The guy with gonads who took the risk or the guy who duplicated it?
your argument might be valid if the idea of a motorway was a novel concept in the history of the world. unfortunately the 1st motorway itself is a copy-paste of earlier motorways in other countries, extant for pretty much a century. i dont really see any gonads involved in initiating development work anyway that isnt coloured by politics or maybe the need to overcome opposition. If it met a pressing need, then it wasnt a very risky decision.
Karachi-Lahore, Peshawar-Quetta, now that would need stones, given the terrain, and the political obstacles.
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So, we can come up with a grand total of 2 things that Nawaz did that was good for the country:
A motorway
And "da bomb".
Ok.
Nuclear project(s) were a remnant of Bhutto ji's age, and so you can shift that accomplishment to PPP's plate (let me clearly state here, that I think PPP stinks like a donkey just as much as Nawaz, so don't start accusing me of taking sides).
Now, we're left with ONE motorway.
The Musharraf regime made how many improvements in roads? Okay so one fell apart and killed a few people in Karachi many moons ago, but lets face it. Pakistani engineers aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.
What did Nawaz do for :
education?
women's rights?
supplying clean water to the citizens?
the afghani refugee problems?
human rights abuses from landowners (zamindaars)?
electricity?
the economy? how much was the ruppee devalued when he was a leader?
the status of the national treasury?
public projects?
parks/environment/pollution?
job market?
And what I'd like to know personally - what did he do for any province that was NOT Punjab?
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I doubt PML-N got so many NA seats in the current elections because Nawaz Sharif built motorway. There is no denying that a strong anti-Mush sentiment around the country was the driving force this time. And PPP was riding on the so-called sympathy vote. Personally, I don't think Nawaz Sharif can be held as a symbol of bravery or taking a stand against pressure. His whole running away from the country after making deals kinda dilutes that whole argument. Our people have very short memories. May be in a few years, his slate will be cleared again. :)
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Lockjaw, It was the first for Pakistan. Believe it or not the existing infrastructure lovingly known as GT road was built by the british in 1800s. So why no shrewd politician before thought of this but a businessman like Nawaz Sharif? You tell me.
Mix this with how things never finish in Pakistan, how plans never execute, how every worker is lazy and a haram khor in Pakistan. This was a risky investment even from a business standpoint. Thus having the gonads part.
My reference wasn't an exhaustive dissertation into Nawaz sharif's accomplishments. Just 2 things that I can recall easily as major accomplishments.
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blank look
I don't know what you're talking about, Faisal. Nawaz is a farishta, I tell you, a farishta.
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dunno about that Faisal. maybe people will wise up, the army will start to mind its own business, and Pakistan will become nuclear super power.
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I dont think anyone called him a farishta atleast that wasnt the intention. Merely someone who is not as bad as the rest.
Since you asked PyariCGudia, Nawaz sharif did infact do some land reforms in Sindh and Punjab. I recall that from memory but it was a big thing back then.
Also, his initiative to tax the agriculture sector peeved a lot of landlords in punjab. It infact got one of his good friends whacked whose name escapes me.
As for the rest of the list you got... I am sure there isnt much to account for there since I cant recall it from memory. But, after army takes its lions share at gunpoint whats left is berely enough to buy a chaddi to cover the genitals. You cant really expect someone to weave you a chador with that now can ya.
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nawaz filed a 100 ruppee tax return one year. his entire mohallah was put on trial for "borrowing money from the national treasury" without interest, and without the intention of paying any of it back.
i can see how he can be a fair and balanced leader, in a foxnews sort of way i suppose.
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Not to forget the foreign currency scandal when all foreign currency accounts were frozen while night-before relatives/friends of NS transferred their money away.
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If I may join in guys...... I dont follow and political party at all..Never have
PML(N),PPPP,MQM and ANP all have their traditional vote banks. PPPP being the only party able to get votes all over the country on an ideological basis (whatever that ideology is)
One reason MQM and PML(N) do reasonably well in any poll is their strong hold in two big cities with PML(N) having a vote in cities around lahore as well. PPP gets vote in nearly all rural Pakistan. Similarly ANP has a very dedicated pakhtoon vote.
With this in mind add the sympathy vote for PPP. Add the scandals one after another in 2007 attributed to PML(Q) and the now very famous anti Mush sentiment you have the success opposition had. Make no mistake PML(Q) had some really good candidates and if the problematic 2007 could have been avoided we might had a different picture. The interesting thing is that rarely in Pakistan vote has been casted on issues as in this election and may be just may be the voter realises now the power of vote and will snap out of the "bradary" system of voting.
At this stage I think bigger question is
Is it not more suitable to sit in opposition then on treasury benches ?
A storm of inflation is waiting the next govt. An unwelcoming president is waiting. Security situation shows no sign of improvement. Americans will probably stick to their tradition and ditch us now. Is it not going to be only a matter of time before this next govt falls ??? OR I am just being paranoid ?
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^Very good analysis I must say :k:
You are not a paranoid but some on has hit the nail on Its head!
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A storm of inflation is waiting the next govt. An unwelcoming president is waiting. Security situation shows no sign of improvement. Americans will probably stick to their tradition and ditch us now. Is it not going to be only a matter of time before this next govt falls ??? OR I am just being paranoid ?
Good analysis. However I do not believe it will be as bad as expected. The problems will only occur if the new government rather than governing and working towards the betterment of Pakistan, starts wasting its time over the next 12 months on whether to try and remove President Musharaf.
It is this which could cause problems at this very delicate stage for Pakistan, and give breathing space to Pakistani based terrorist groups, and put back the development.
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Well thats the whole argument. Is Musharaf part of the problem because he definitely doesnt look like part of the solution . There have been some dramatic U turns in our politics but I cant see Musharaf and Nawaz working together. Nawaz cannot survive without reinstating the judiciary and Musharaf cannot survive with reinstated judiciary.
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Dont worry Aalsi bhai, even your last desire for a “jhandabaazi” will vanish the day he will be removed successfully from his kursi. 