Message to all(shia/sunni)AND MODS and ADMINS!

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Originally posted by Sadiaa:
Well ... u rnt allowed to scream n stuff n hurt urself coz someone died.. even if u wanna do it.. ur supposed to do it quitely!!!! n hurting urself coz someone passed out is totally wrong !
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Insha-Allah I will come up on your father's death with the same words and give a fatwa if you scream a little bit. I will tell you its not mentioned in quran to cry on your father's death. I cant wait to come over there on your father's death insha-Allah.
You better not cry on your father's death, ok. Come on, be realistic.

Sherazz says: “and zalim i dont even consider u muslim..a person who doesnt believe that Prophet Mohummad is the Last Prophet..isnt considered muslim..so please religion forum main aa'o to iss jaga ko naapaak na karo..thank u”

And some people think they are perfect Muslims, they think it’s their right to curse sahaba and insult them and their followers, put filthy allegation to Holy Prophet (like Muttah is a sunnah), derail the muslim ummah by deleting and deforming the verses,(vv 33:32-33) Quoting self made ahadiths (like Martyrdom if Ali is present in ahadiths). All this will thus make this them paak and saaf.

Inna lil la hay wa ina elay hay rajay oon.

"zalim i dont even consider u muslim.." should I care for that? certainly you are not my God or an appointed one on me by Allah.

Sheraaz, when you develop enough wisdom and respect to articulate with non-shias, come up, I will discuss with you.

Quran is full of example how people left their teaching and started worshiping their own Gods.(ya Ali maddad) Indeed this is great book of wisdom, but only for those who possess.


Regarding the topic if given a choice, what will you choose (a or b). why and what will you achieve by that.

Recite Quran, Send Darood to Prophet Mohammad(sa), pray nawafil, pray for the dead ones.

do matam, raise hue and cry and give torture to your bodies both physically and meta-physically.

PS: MR.COOL STUFF, repeating thing dont make it weigh stronger. One time enough.
We already read what you said earlier. Replying to you is just a waste of time and energy.

[This message has been edited by Zalim (edited November 02, 2000).]

zalim lets pick one topic and debate about that theek hai?
i picked ur beliefs but if u are ashamed to talk about them in public then u can pick any other topic and first we will talk about that..ager tum qaadyani ho to sharm kis baat ki hai?

cool guy sadia ko choro yaar..woh abhi choti hai..she is learning..aisay na bolo theek hai

Zalim.. of course A is the rite one !!!
n COOL GUY.. yeh sure u can come n WATCH me cry in a LOW voice.. coz i aint GONNA SCREAM OR HURT MYSELF AT ALL !!! coz we r only allowed to cry in a low voice.. NOT scream n yell n cry in a loud voice n hurt ourselves... besides... everyone has to die one day ! none of us if going to live forever !!! besides i did have some close beloved ppl in family pass away.. and i did cry in a LOW voice.. i DID NOT yell .. scream and hurt myself... !!! ALLAH ki cheez thee ALLAh nay wapas lay li... u can only pray for them.. thas all.. by yellin n hurtin urself.. wat r u tryin to prove.. that ur not happy with ALLAH's decision !??!?! huH !?!??!?!?!? ALLAH KI CHEEZ THEE ALLAH NAY WAPAS LAY LI !!!!

cry with low voice?

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aap drama to nahi ker rahi thi

jab rona aata hai besaakhta aata hai
iss main low or high phir koi nahi dekhta..jitna ziyada pyaar utni ziyada takleef

ummm.. dharay mar mar kar rona.. ya cheekh cheekh kar rona is WRONG !!! thas wat i meant by that...

Insha-Allah I will come up on your father’s death with the same words and give a fatwa if you scream a little bit. I will tell you its not mentioned in quran to cry on your father’s death. I cant wait to come over there on your father’s death insha-Allah.
You better not cry on your father’s death, ok. Come on, be realistic.

tum dharay maar kar mat rona warna mein tumharey khilaf fatwa lay aaonga.

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abba kee maut par
saadia ka rona!

aight.. zaroor aaye ga aur dekhye ga kay sunni log kisi ki death par kia kartay hain.. hum loog dharay mar mar kar nahee rotay !! kabhee aisa time aya na to aap ko zaroor bataoon gi.. so u can come n watch me closely !!!

Well u know wat.. i did go on the sites Watched mentioned.. so i DONT thikn i really need to argue with u(cool guy) or sherazz ne more.. coz we've got like almost two different religions u can say or we jst have different ways to follow Islam.. so y bother arguin with u guys when we dont even believe in the same stuff....u guys do wat u think is rite n we'll be doin wat we think is right n wat've been taught.. NO POINT arguin !!!

great sadia..congratulations on becoming the scholer of ur beliefs in few minutes

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i asked ur age because of this..itni bholi na bano k log aap ka fayeda utha len ..what made u think that site is correct? did u do any research? u went u read and u believed it? is that very mature of u? did u bother to check out the site i gave u? in just a day u came to conclusion that we are totally different and u know about everything

dear u need to be smarter then this..just because u were born in a sunni house doesnt mean it would be right beliefs..u have to search for urself..just dont be prejudice and ignorant..takecare

[This message has been edited by Sherazz (edited November 02, 2000).]

Well Sherazz.. its aight.. i DONT need to do ne more research n besides wat my parents taught me n wat sunni scholars've been tellin me or watever i've read's good enuff for me.. coz i aint shia so i dont need to go to ne shia sites n read wat they think or say.. i believe in wat my family has taught me wat sunni ppl say is good enuff for me... still m lookin for sites bout this stuff but definately not shia sites.. coz i m a sunni n i believe in wat sunni's say, taught me, r going to teach me... and no shia can change my mind bout wat i think or wat i've been taught so far... no point arguin bout this matam stuff ne more.. atleast i'd try to stay away frm this....u guys do wat u think is rite n i'll do wat i think is rite...

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Originally posted by Cool Guy:
saadia ji,
Nobody is asking you to give any fatwas. Just keep your bs to yourself. Matam is not haram. The poeple who call it haram are haram themselves. When your father will die, and you will cry and get hurt

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Exactly.........i would cry too and Allah (swt) doesnt stop us from doing that...but im not going to hit myself and harm myself physically. Because eventhough we express grief, it has to be within a limit...this means that we except Allah's Will to take a loved one away from us.

One of my friends gave a reason why they do beat themselves.

¡°actually they have a very short span of memory of grief, very easily they forget the sorrows. In order to keep it long lasting they beat themselves so that the pain achieve will keep them aware all the time about the mourning¡±. humm interesting eh !

I think it will be a lot better if someone pray for the dead ones instead of crying. Nothing will be achieved by matam or crying out loud, it just burns out of calories and trigger T-cell to release catacholamines, change the mental and thinking behaviour, thus destruction is the only result.

Moreover this world is a temporary place, the sooner one leaves, the less chance one gets to collect sin-points, as compared to sawab-points which are hard to gather. Losers are those who choose to live here for long. Maha-Loosers are those who cry out loud on on their departure. Of Course at that time tears spill out, out of emotions or the type of respect one keeps for them. It doest mean that one has to do matam and do such natak-bazi on such occasions. This is not only foolishness but also against the teachings of Islam.

Hey Cooly Dudey, let me know when your father die, I will FedEx you chains. I know you guys take pleasure in zanjeer-matams.

PS: Ager tum logoon ko sanaf-e-nazuk say baat kernay ki tameez nain hai to pehlay kuch uswa-e-ahlabait say seekh aao phir aa ker yahan apna namoona dekhana.

[This message has been edited by Zalim (edited November 02, 2000).]

mr qadyani dont bother writing essays cuz atleast i dont have time to bother with ur crap..when r u gonna tell me the name of ur current Prophet?

sadia if u were born in a yahoody family i bet u were saying the same thing
its good to love ur parents and listen to them but when it comes to religion u can argue with them according to our religion..so dont blindly follow..thats all i gotta say..do whatever u want

hk i think if it matam was so against our religion then Imam Hussains Sister wouldnt have started it on His Chehlum

Sherazz aka cool guy aka shair30 aka whatever, why can’t you debate in a decent manner? Why do you end up making personal remarks about everyone? Do you suffer from some kinda people-illness? Until you learn to respect others, you guys are total non-sense and you guys are on IGNORE.

Zalim, leave these heretics on their own to dig their own hell with their imaaams who they consider to be greater than Mohammad.

I guess, you won’t stop creating fuss, what kinda assurance should I give you to stop telling people the TRUTH about you?

Either take the truth(QURAN AND SUNNAH)and HANDLE IT and learn something from it. Other wise, learn to take the criticism for your worldly and fake beliefs, self-created and egotistic rituals. You don’t answer any questions we ask you, rather you end up insulting others beliefs just because he/she is asking something about you from you.

How old are you guys? 10? Grow up.

QURAN AND SUNNAH is Islam, NOTHING else is Islam. I follow what is in QURAN and SUNNAN(way of life of MOhammad). Even if any imaam comes up to me and tells me something that is against the Quran and SUNNAH, I WOULD NEVER DO It. What part of words “QURAN AND SUNNAH” don’t you understand?

PS: Zalim bahi sahib, are you online 24/7? I was online 8 hours ago and you were here, and still…here.

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Take it easy sir.

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V~V~VHe came, He saw, He conqueredV~V~V**

watcher i think u forgot it was u who got banned and in order to justify that admin banned me..just by saying sir sir sir 10 thousand times doesnt make u a decent talker..do u get it sir?

and i think u hav been told many times First is Prophet then anyone else..why dont u get it?

our hadith are fabricated? lets talk about ur authentic books..i will open a new thread tomorrow..see u then

and please dont be angry when u hear the truth, we shall try to talk in a decent manner..so take it easy sir

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