Merits of the Companions (Part 1)

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Originally posted by a1shah:

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Let's compare their behavior to that of other righteous wives

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Ibrahim says; Salaams to all ( sorry about the length, but I try to provide all details at one go and that makes it lengthy)
Anyway A1shah and shia’s in general , like to compare and divide, yup! he/she likes very much to defame certain personalities in Islam because that is what he/she has learnt and wants others to learn in order to deny the Qur’an, since the “shia Qur’an” (which is supposedly 3 times bigger then the current one, as per their original belief [which will be vehemently denied by the current shia’s]) is kept hidden by a five year old boy, in a cave for the past 1000+ years, hence his/her persistence in going around in circles in trying to undermine and slander the wives and the companions of the Prophet (pbuh) in order to destroy Islam and establish shi’ism

It is pitiful as to see the shia brethrens being deluded in this way, but in one way it is good since now Muslims will be pressured to learn more about their “deen” and establish the truth for themselves.

The Qur’an makes it abundantly clear as to what Muslims are enjoined to do.

87: 9 Therefore ** give admonition in case the admonition profits (the hearer).**

10 The admonition ** will be received by those who fear (Allah):

11 But it will be avoided by those most unfortunate ones. **

Ibrahim says; hence it becomes imperative that Muslims, make all efforts to counter the spread of this evil nature of the shia’s by learning more about their own deen

Islam is a very simple religion and Allah (swt) had made it easy to comprehend, the Qur’an conveys

42: 13 The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah--the which We have sent by inspiration to thee--and that which We enjoined on Abraham Moses and Jesus: Namely that ye should remain steadfast in Religion and ** make no divisions therein:** to those who worship other things than Allah hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).

14 ** And they became divided only after knowledge reached them through selfish envy as between themselves. ** Had it not been for a Word that went forth before from thy Lord (tending) to a Term appointed the matter would have been settled between them: but truly those who have inherited the Book after them are in suspicious (disquieting) doubt concerning it

In another place the Qur’an conveys

2: 285 The Apostle believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah His angels His books and His Apostles ** "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His Apostles." And they say: "We hear and we obey; (We seek) Thy forgiveness Our Lord ** and to Thee is the end of all journeys

Ibrahim says; Yet only the Shia brethrens have the guts to make distinctions amongst the wives or the companions based on bits and pieces of incomplete information which may have no head or tail to speak of .
Even though Allah (swt) conveyed thus

2:195 ** And spend of your substance in the cause of Allah and make not your own hands contribute to your destruction but do good;** for Allah loveth those who do good.

Ibrahim says: And the records of the companions speaks thus

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Hadith 5.54 Narrated by Sad bin Ubaida

A man came to Ibn 'Umar and asked about 'Uthman and Ibn 'Umar ** mentioned his good deeds and said to the questioner, "Perhaps these facts annoy you?" The other said, "Yes." ** Ibn 'Umar said, "May Allah stick your nose in the dust (i.e. degrade you)!" Then the man asked him about 'Ali. Ibn 'Umar ** mentioned his good deeds and said, "It is all true, and that is his house in the midst of the houses of the Prophet. Perhaps these facts have hurt you?" The questioner said, "Yes." ** Ibn 'Umar said, "May Allah stick your nose in the dust (i.e. degrade you or make you do things which you hate)! Go away and do whatever you can against me."

Ibrahim says: A shia will say otherwise because his faith is based on “pride” and they will use one companion against the other to cause the divisions which they long for. Their final goal is to destroy the credibility of the companions such that they can assert that the current Qur’an is incomplete and they alone have the Qur’an ( which is hidden in the cave)

We have been warned by the Prophet (pbuh) thus

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Hadith 9.410 Narrated by Abdullah bin Amr

I heard the Prophet saying, "Allah will not deprive you of knowledge after he has given it to you, but it will be taken away through the death of the religious learned men with their knowledge. ** Then there will remain ignorant people who, when consulted, will give verdicts according to their opinions whereby they will mislead others and go astray." **

Al-Tirmidhi Hadith Hadith 180 Narrated by Abu Umamah

Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: ** No one who has once found the right way, ever goes astray except through dispute. ** Then Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) recited this verse: `They set it forth to thee only by way of disputation. ** Lo they are contentious people.'** (43:58).
Transmitted by Ahmad, Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah.

Al-Tirmidhi Hadith Hadith 225 Narrated by Ka'b ibn Malik ; Abdullah ibn Umar

Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: ** He who acquires knowledge in order to fall into polemics with other scholars and prove his superiority over them, or to dispute with the ignorant or to attract the attention of the people, Allah will throw him in the Fire. **
Transmitted by Tirmidhi transmitted it from Ka'b, and Ibn Majah from Ibn Umar.

Besides the companions were aware of :-

Al-Tirmidhi Hadith Hadith 269 Narrated by Ziyad ibn Hudayr

Umar said to me: Do you know ** what demolishes Islam?** I said: No. Whereupon he said: It is the slip of a scholar and ** the dispute of the hypocrite by the Book,** and the commands of the misguided rulers which demolish it.
Transmitted by Darimi.

Ibrahim says: hence A1sah has NO fear of Allah (swt) nor the correct knowledge as to what is permissible and what is not , his mad desire seems to be the love/pride of certain individuals while forgetting the harm his love/pride is doing to him/her and Islam .

Now since a1shah is puzzled as to what I wrote earlier concerning verse 66:4, maybe this hadith will make it abundantly clear, IF ALLAH (swt) HAD SO WILLED

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Hadith 7.119 Narrated by Ibn Abbas

I had been eager to ask 'Umar bin Al-Khattab about the two ladies from among the wives of the Prophet regarding whom Allah said "If you two (wives of the Prophet namely Aisha and Hafsa) turn in repentance to Allah, your hearts are indeed so inclined (to oppose what the Prophet likes)," (66.4) till 'Umar performed the Hajj and I too, performed the Hajj along with him. (On the way) 'Umar went aside to answer the call of nature, and I also went aside along with him carrying a tumbler full of water, and when 'Umar had finished answering the call of nature, I poured water over his hands and he performed the ablution. Then I said to him, "O chief of the Believers! Who were the two ladies from among the wives of the Prophet regarding whom Allah said: 'If you two (wives of the Prophet) turn in repentance to Allah your hearts are indeed so inclined (to oppose what the Prophet likes)?' " (66.4) He said, "I am astonished at your question, O Ibn Abbas. They were 'Aisha and Hafsa." Then 'Umar went on narrating the Hadith and said, "I and an Ansari neighbor of mine from Bani Umaiyya bin Zaid who used to live in Awali-al-Medina, used to visit the Prophet in turn. He used to go one day and I another day. When I went, I would bring him the news of what had happened that day regarding the Divine Inspiration and other things, and when he went, he used to do the same for me. We, the people of Quraish used to have the upper hand over our wives, but when we came to the Ansar, we found that their women had the upper hand over their men, so our women also started learning the ways of the Ansari women.

I shouted at my wife and she retorted against me and I disliked that she should answer me back. She said to me, 'Why are you so surprised at my answering you back? By Allah, the wives of the Prophet answer him back and some of them may leave (does not speak to) him throughout the day till the night.' The (talk) scared me and I said to her, 'Whoever has done so will be ruined!' Then I proceeded after dressing myself, and entered upon Hafsa and said to her, 'Does anyone of you keep the Prophet angry till night?' She said, 'Yes.' I said, 'You are a ruined losing person! Don't you fear that Allah may get angry for the anger of Allah's Apostle and thus you will be ruined? So do not ask more from the Prophet and do not answer him back and do not give up talking to him. Ask me whatever you need and do not be tempted to imitate your neighbor (i.e., 'Aisha) in her manners for she is more charming than you and more beloved to the Prophet.' " Umar added, "At that time a talk was circulating among us that (the tribe of) Ghassan were preparing their horses to invade us. My Ansari companion, on the day of his turn, went (to the town) and returned to us at night and knocked at my door violently and asked if I was there. I became horrified and came out to him. He said, 'Today a great thing has happened.' I asked, 'What is it? Have (the people of) Ghassan come?' He said, 'No, but (What has happened) is greater and more horrifying than that: Allah's Apostle has divorced his wives.' "

'Umar added, "The Prophet kept away from his wives and I said 'Hafsa is a ruined loser.' I had already thought that most probably this (divorce) would happen in the near future. So I dressed myself and offered the morning prayer with the Prophet and then the Prophet entered an upper room and stayed there in seclusion. I entered upon Hafsa and saw her weeping. I asked, 'What makes you weep? Did I not warn you about that? Did the Prophet divorce you all?' She said, 'I do not know. There he is retired alone in the upper room.' I came out and sat near the pulpit and saw a group of people sitting around it and some of them were weeping. I sat with them for a while but could not endure the situation, so I went to the upper room where the Prophet was and said to a black slave of his, 'Will you get the permission (of the Prophet ) for 'Umar (to enter)?' The slave went in, talked to the Prophet about it and then returned saying, 'I have spoken to the Prophet and mentioned you but he kept quiet.' Then I returned and sat with the group of people sitting near the pulpit. but I could not bear the situation and once again I said to the slave, 'Will you get the permission for 'Umar?' He went in and returned saying, 'I mentioned you to him but he kept quiet.' So I returned again and sat with the group of people sitting near the pulpit, but I could not bear the situation, and so I went to the slave and said, 'Will you get the permission for 'Umar?' He went in and returned to me saying, 'I mentioned you to him but he kept quiet.' When I was leaving, behold! The slave called me, saying, 'The Prophet has given you permission.'

Then I entered upon Allah's Apostle and saw him lying on a bed made of stalks of date palm leaves and there was no bedding between it and him. The stalks left marks on his side and he was leaning on a leather pillow stuffed with date-palm fires. I greeted him and while still standing I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Have you divorced your wives?' He looked at me and said, 'No.' I said, 'Allah Akbar!' And then, while still standing, I said chatting, 'Will you heed what I say, O Allah's Apostle? We, the people of Quraish used to have power over our women, but when we arrived at Medina we found that the men (here) were overpowered by their women.' The Prophet smiled and then I said to him, 'Will you heed what I say, O Allah's Apostle?' I entered upon Hafsa and said to her, 'Do not be tempted to imitate your companion ('Aisha), for she is more charming than you and more beloved to the Prophet.' The Prophet smiled for a second time. When I saw him smiling, I sat down. Then I looked around his house, and by Allah, I could not see anything of importance in his house except three hides, so I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Invoke Allah to make your followers rich, for the Persians and the Romans have been made prosperous and they have been given (the pleasures of the world), although they do not worship Allah.' Thereupon the Prophet sat up as he was reclining. and said, 'Are you of such an opinion, O the son of Al-Khattab? These are the people who have received the rewards for their good deeds in this world.' I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Ask Allah to forgive me.'

Then the Prophet kept away from his wives for twenty-nine days because of the story which Hafsa had disclosed to 'Aisha. The Prophet had said, 'I will not enter upon them (my wives) for one month,' because of his anger towards them, when Allah had admonished him. So, when twenty nine days had passed, the Prophet first entered upon 'Aisha. 'Aisha said to him, 'O Allah's Apostle! You had sworn that you would not enter upon us for one month, but now only twenty-nine days have passed, for I have been counting them one by one.' The Prophet said, 'The (present) month is of twenty nine days.' 'Aisha added, 'Then Allah revealed the Verses of the option. (2) ** And out of all his wives he asked me first, and I chose him.' Then he gave option to his other wives and they said what 'Aisha had said." (1) The Prophet had decided to abstain from eating a certain kind of food because of a certain event, so Allah blamed him for doing so. Some of his wives were the cause of him taking that decision, therefore he deserted them for one month. See Qur'an: (66.4)**

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Originally posted by FactFinder:

Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmathullahi wa Barakaathuhu

Jazak Allahu Khair, Brother Fact Finder,

Brother, you are frightening A1shah excessively , he/she is only capable of slandering and maligning others based on selective, incomplete or misconceived texts . he /she will not answer you, if you posed legitimate questions , since that will reveal his/her thumb sucking habits.

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Anyway as you noted, what A1shah quoted was incomplete .

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Hadith 1.114 Narrated by Ubaidullah bin Abdullah

Ibn 'Abbas said, “When the ailment of the Prophet became worse, he said, ‘Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.’ But 'Umar said, ‘The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah’s Book with us and that is sufficient for us.’ But the companions of the Prophet differed about this and there was a hue and cry. On that the Prophet said to them, 'Go away (and leave me alone). It is not right that you should quarrel in front of me.” Ibn 'Abbas came out saying, "It was most unfortunate (a great disaster) that Allah’s Apostle was prevented from writing that statement for them because of their disagreement and noise. ** (Note: It is apparent from this Hadith that Ibn 'Abbas had witnessed the event and came out saying this statement. The truth is not so, for Ibn 'Abbas used to say this statement on narrating the Hadith and he had not witnessed the event personally. See Fateh Al-Bari Vol. 1, p.220 footnote.) (See Hadith No. 288, Vol. 4).**

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Hadith 4.288 Narrated by Said bin Jubair

Ibn 'Abbas said, “Thursday! What (great thing) took place on Thursday!” Then he started weeping till his tears wetted the gravels of the ground. Then he said, “On Thursday the illness of Allah’s Apostle was aggravated and he said, ‘Fetch me writing materials so that I may have something ** written to you after which you will never go astray.’** The people (present there) differed in this matter and people should not differ before a prophet. They said, ‘Allah’s Apostle is seriously sick.’ The Prophet said, ‘Let me alone, as the state in which I am now, is better than what you are calling me for.’ ** The Prophet on his death-bed, gave three orders saying, ‘Expel the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula, respect and give gifts to the foreign delegates as you have seen me dealing with them.’ I forgot the third (order).” ** (Ya’qub bin Muhammad said, “I asked Al-Mughira bin 'Abdur-Rahman about the Arabian Peninsula and he said, 'It comprises Mecca, Medina, Al-Yama-ma and Yemen.” Ya’qub added, “And Al-Arj, the beginning of Tihama.”)

Ibrahim says; Most of All

5: 3 Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat blood the flesh of swine and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah that which hath been killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a headlong fall or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. ** This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you completed my favor upon you and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. ** But if any forced by hunger with no inclination to transgression Allah is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.

Ibrahim says; hence All that Allah (swt) wanted to convey to mankind had been conveyed.

Allah (swt) knows best.

Was salaam

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I am talking about cursing people. Shia mazhab’s basic pillar is tabarrah.

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Derogatory is derogatory, and includes tabarrah. Discussion forum does not give you license to say what you want to. There have to be some rules of conduct. Unparliamentary and unacceptable language cannot be accepted, irrespective of source. Recently, a brother used a very wrong example in a chain started by a sister. His post has been deleted and he has been warned.**

How incorrect can you get. Sunnis do not venerate any person, nor do they derogate any one. It is shias who venerate some and derogate others. Can you amplify your satements and prove what you have stated?

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I shall ignore any indication of an attempt at craeting sectarian feelings. The statement is not relevant also.

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Nobody is being banned for pointing out mistakes made by companions. They were ofcourse human. But anybody who subscribes to the following needs firmer action, Insha Allah:

Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

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i agree with all the points of factfinder, but one. that is he belives maywaiya to be a khalifah. comon guys, he was singly handedly responsible for making the islamic empire his personal domain by appointing yazid as his successsor. that is simply un acceptable. after the shadat of hazrat Ali RTU, i think there were enough shabas who deserved chalafat more than maywia, hazrat abdullah bin zubair RTU, hazrat hasan RTU, hazrat hussian RTU and so on.... so please dont defend mauwia, cuz i hate him for making the islamic empire his personal property.
wallah o alim

again, if any thing i dont know and u think my judgement of mauwia is based on false facts, i m open to education.
jazakallah khair

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Originally posted by FactFinder:
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SAHAABAH
1. They say all Sahabah (R.A) companions except 3 left Islaam after demise of Nabi (S.A.W).
2. They say Abu Bakr(R.A) Umar(R.A) and Uthmaan (R.A) robbed Ali(R.A) of his position of being Khalif.
3. They say Umar(R.A) was a 'Original Kaafir' and 'Zindiq'-renegrade.
4. "Abu Huraira (R.A) was one of the fuquaha, but god knows what judement he falsified for Muaw'iyya and others like him, and what damage He inflicted upon Islaam."
5. They say Abu Huraira (R.A) used to fabricate Ahadith.
6. They say Muawiyya (R.A) poisoined Hassan(R.A).
7. They say Muawiya (R.A) was a tyrant opressive ruler.
8. They say Qazi Shurray (R.A) used to issue judicial pronouncement in favour of the ruling party. He was a sinful wretch occupying position of Judge.
9. One should dissociate with the 4 idols: Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthmaan, Muawiyya and 4 women Ayesha, Hafsa, Harid, Umm- al- Hakam.
10. One should curse the above after each prayer.
11. Pharoah and Hamaan refer here to Abu Bakr and Umar.

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Fear Allah when u r trying to spread falshood and slunders other muslims. indeed u will be accoutn for all ur action in the day of judgement.

here is the Correct classification of Sahaba(r.a) by a shia auther.

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The topic in this article is how the Shia view the companions of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF). We shall look at Allah's (SWT) opinion, as stated in the Quran, with regards to the companions as well as the Prophet's (PBUH&HF) opinion through authentic Sunni traditions.
Introduction

The Shia do not have a unique opinion towards the companions of the Prophet. Based on the relative authenticity and interpretations of the transmitted traditions, some arrive at different conclusions for the second faction of the companions mentioned below. Which tradition is more authentic and what is its correct meaning, is something debatable. However, here, I provide what is considered to be a typical Shi'ite position in this regard.

The Shia divide the companions into three factions: First, are those who believed in Allah (SWT), believed in the Prophet (PBUH&HF), and gave all they could for the sake of Islam. These are the highest in rank. These companions ALWAYS supported the Prophet and were WITH him. They never disobeyed him in every other issue, nor did they ever accused him of talking non-sense! (may Allah protect us). Examples include, but are not limited to, Ali Ibn Abi Talib (AS), Abu Dhar al-Ghifari, Salman al-Farsi, Miqdad, Amar Ibn Yasir, Jabir Ibn Abdillah al-Ansari, ... may Allah (SWT) be pleased with them.

The second group, are those who were Muslims, but were not sincere in their acts. These include, but are not limited to, Abu Bakr,Umar,Uthman,Amr bin Ass,Khalid bin Waleed,Ayesha(Umm-ul-Momineen)...

The third group, are those who became apostate after the death of Prophet as al-Bukhari recorded (see below), or those who neither believed in Allah (SWT), nor the Prophet (PBUH&HF) in the first place, but managed to infiltrate the Islamic isles to be included among the Muslims. These are the hypocrites, like Abu Sufyan, his son Muawiyah, and his grandson Yazid. Yazid, when he became caliph, said:

"Hashimite played with the throne, but no revelation was revealed, nor was there a true message!!!"

Sunni references: - History of al-Tabari, Arabic, 13, p2174
- Tadhkirat al-Khawas, Sibt Ibn al-Jawzi al-Hanafi, p261

"Hashimite" is the clan and tribe of the Prophet (PBUH&HF), and this is an intentional pun suggesting that the Prophet (PBUH&HF) was a liar, not a true prophet. The "throne (sovereignty)" is an allusion to the control of the affairs of Mecca and the entire region, meaning that the tribe of Hashim controlled the entire region by virtue of the Message of Islam and that Muhammad (PBUH&HF) is the chosen Prophet, but really there was no revelation and there was no message!!! That is Yazid's opinion of Allah (SWT), Islam, and the Prophet (PBUH&HF). His father, Muawiyah, and his grandfather, Abu Sufyan, were no better. At the beginning the reign of Uthman when Umayad occupied the prominent positions, Abu Sufayn said:

"O Children of Umayyah! Now that this kingdom has come to you, play with it as the children play with a ball, and pass it from one to another in your clan. We are not sure whether there is a paradise or hell, but this kingdom is a reality."

Sunni references:

  • al-Isti'ab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, v4, p1679
  • Sharh Ibn Abil Hadid, v9, p53 which quotes the last sentence as follows:

"By him in whose name Abu Sufyan swears, there is neither punishment nor reckoning, neither Garden nor Fire, neither Resurrection nor Day of Judgment!"

Then Abu Syfyan went to Uhud and kicked at the grave of Hamza (the uncle of the Prophet who was martyred in the Battle of Uhud in fighting against Abu Sufyan) and said: "O Abu Ya'la! See that the kingdom which you fought against has finally come back to us." (Sharh Ibn Abil Hadid, v16, p136).

Now let us see what his son, Muawiyah, said when he took over the Caliphate:

"I didn't fight you to pray, fast, and pay charity, but rather to be your leader and control you!!!"

This is an indication that Muawiyah never cared about any of Islam's mandates, nor Allah's (SWT) orders; rather his war was politically motivated to gain control of the whole region and take over the Caliphate. It is no wonder or surprise! Muawiyah poisoned Imam al-Hasan (AS), the greater son of Fatimah (AS) -- the daughter of the Prophet (PBUH&HF).

Sunni references:

  • Tadhkirat al-Khawas, Sibt Ibn al-Jawzi al-Hanafi, pp 191-194
  • Ibn Abd al-Barr, in his "Seera"
  • Abu Nu'aym
  • Also reported by the traditionists such as al-Suddi and al-Sha'bi.

Then Yazid, the Muawiyah's son, slaughtered Imam al-Husain (AS), in the desert of Karbala in Iraq, and ordered that Imam al-Husain's (AS) head be carried on a spear and displayed in towns for people to see it! May Allah avenge the Prophet's family!!! May Allah avenge the Prophet's family!!! May Allah avenge the Prophet's (PBUH&HF) family!!!

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The Holy Quran

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Now let us look at the Holy Quran for different categories:

The first faction of the companions are characterized by Allah (SWT) in this verse:

"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against the unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat (Torah); And their similitude in the Gospel is: Like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds Forgiveness, and a great Reward. [48:29]"

These companions (May Allah (SWT) be Pleased With Them), the Shia and the Sunnis have NO quarrel about. As such, they will not be discussed here. However, note what Allah (SWT) in His (SWT) infinite wisdom states in the last line: "Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds Forgiveness, and a great Reward." Now, note "...those among them..." Why didn't Allah (SWT) say "Allah has promised ALL OF THEM?" Because not all of them were righteous! That's what the Shia are trying to convey to the world! The Sunnis, whenever they bless the Prophet (PBUH&HF), they also bless ALL the companions, with NO exception. Why did Allah (SWT), their Creator (SWT), make an exception, while the Sunni Muslims don't? This is a sign for those who reflect...

Moreover, the verse specifies those who were WITH the Prophet, which means those who were obedient to him and did not oppose/discredit him. Certainly the hypocrites walked with the Prophet and used to attach themselves to him, yet NO Muslim ever entitle them to the above verse which states "those who were WITH him".

As for the second faction of the companions, Allah (SWT) said:

"O ye who believe! What is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the Cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; But Him ye would not harm in the least, For Allah hath power over all things."[9:38-39]

This is a clear indication that some of the companions were lazy during the call to Jihad and other activities, and, thus, deserved the above reprimand by Allah (SWT). This is not the only instance where Allah (SWT) threatened to replace them:

"... If you turn back (from the path), He will substitute in your stead another people; then they would not be like you! [47:38]"

Could you tell me Who Allah is referring by "you" in the above verse? Allah also said:

"O you who believe! Do not raise your voices above the voice of prophet ... lest your deeds become null while you do not perceive." (Quran 49:2).

Authentic Sunni traditions confirm that there have been some companions who used to oppose the Prophet's order and quarrel with him in several occasions:

a) There was the issue of the captives of the battle "Badr" that the Prophet ordered their freedom for payment of the ransom money (Fidyah), and these companions went against it.

b) There was the battle of "Tabook" that the Prophet ordered to slaughter the camels, to save their lives, and the same people went against it.

c) There was the treaty of "Hudabiyyah" that the Prophet wanted to make peace with people of Mecca, and the very same companions went against it and they even cast doubt about the prophethood of Muhammad (PBUH&HF).

d) There was the battle of "Hunain" where they accused the Prophet of injustice in distributing the war booty.

e) There was the appointment of "Usamah Ibn Zayd" who was assigned as the leader of Islamic army by the Prophet, and these companions disobeyed the order to follow him.

f) There was a tragic Thursday when the Messenger of Allah wanted to state his will, and the very same companions accused him of talking non-sense and prevented him to do so.

And there are many more of such reports which can be even found in Sahih al- Bukhari.

As for the third faction of the companions, there is a whole chapter in the holy Quran addressing them: "al-Munafiqun --The Hypocrites -- Ch. 63", and beside that there are many other verses in this regard as well. Allah (SWT) states in the Quran:

"Muhammad is no more than a Messenger: many were the Messengers that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; But Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude. [3:144]"

This verse was revealed when some of the companions ran away from the battle of Uhud, when they falsely heard that Prophet was killed. Although they were forgiven by Prophet later, but the above verse gives a possibility that some of the companions may abandon Islam if the Prophet (PBUH&HF) dies. But Allah (SWT) makes exceptions: "...those who (serve Him) with gratitude." Again, Allah (SWT) states:

"O ye who believe! If any from among you turn back from his faith, soon will Allah produce a people whom He will love as they will love Him, --Lowly with the Believers, Mighty against the Rejecters, fighting in the way of Allah, and never afraid of the reproaches of such as find fault. That is the Grace of Allah, which He will bestow on whom He pleaseth. And Allah encompasseth all, And He knoweth all things. [5:54]"

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The Authentic Traditions (from Sunni resources of course)

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Before giving more straightforward verses from Quran for this third group, let me give you some traditions from Sahih al-Bukhari which confirms apostasy for them. Since al-Bukhari has CONFIRMED the authenticity of the following tradition, I hope you do not consider him a "Kafir" after reading these traditions.

NOTE: As usual, the numbers match the Arabic-English version of Sahih al-Bukhari which is available in almost every places. The first number before the point indicates the volume number, and the number after the point indicates the tradition number (NOT the page number). For example Hadith 8.578 indicates volume 8, tradition #578.

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 8.578

Narrated 'Abdullah:

The Prophet said, "I am your predecessor at the Lake-Fount." 'Abdullah added: The Prophet said, "I am your predecessor at the Lake-Fount, and some of you will be brought in front of me till I will see them and then they will be taken away from me and I will say, 'O Lord, my companions!' It will be said, 'You do not know what they did after you had left.'

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 8.584

Narrated Anas:

The Prophet said, "Some of my companions will come to me at my Lake Fount, and after I recognize them, they will then be taken away from me, whereupon I will say, 'My companions!' Then it will be said, 'You do not know what they innovated (new things) in the religion after you." (also Sahih Muslim, part 15, pp 53-54)

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 8.585

Narrated Abu Hazim from Sahl bin Sa'd:

The Prophet said, "I am your predecessor (forerunner) at the Lake- Fount, and whoever will pass by there, he will drink from it and whoever will drink from it, he will never be thirsty. There will come to me some people whom I will recognize, and they will recognize me, but a barrier will be placed between me and them." Abu Hazim added: Nu'man bin Abi 'Aiyash, on hearing me, said. "Did you hear this from Sahl?" I said, "Yes." He said, " I bear witness that I heard Abu Said al-Khudri saying the same, adding that the Prophet said: 'I will say: They are my companions. Then it will be said to me, 'You do not know what they innovated (new things) in the religion after you left'. I will say, 'Far removed, far removed (from mercy), those who changed after me." Abu Huraira narrated that the Prophet said, "On the Day of Resurrection a group of companions will come to me, but will be driven away from the Lake-Fount, and I will say, 'O Lord (those are) my companions!' It will be said, 'You have no knowledge as to what they innovated after you left; they turned apostate as renegades (reverted from the true Islam).

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 8.586

Narrated Ibn al-Musaiyab:

"Some men from my companions will come to my Lake-Fount and they will be driven away from it, and I will say, 'O Lord, my companions!' It will be said, 'You have no knowledge of what they innovated after you left: they turned APOSTATE as renegades (reverted from true Islam)." (also Sahih Muslim, part 10, p64, also P59)

Sahih Bukhari Hadith: 8.587

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "While I was sleeping, a group (of my followers were brought close to me), and when I recognized them, a man (an angel) came out from amongst (us) me and them, he said (to them), 'Come along.' I asked, 'Where?' He said, 'To the (Hell) Fire, by Allah' I asked, 'what is wrong with them?' He said, 'They turned APOSTATE as renegades after you left.' Then behold! (Another) group (of my followers) were brought close to me, and when I recognized them, a man (an angel) came out from (me and them) he said (to them); Come along.' I asked, "Where?' He said, 'To the (Hell) Fire, by Allah.' I asked, What is wrong with them?' He said, 'They turned APOSTATE as renegades after you left. So I did not see anyone of them escaping except a few who were like camels without a shepherd."

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 8.592

Narrated Asma 'bint Abu Bakr:

The Prophet said, "I will be standing at the Lake-Fount so that I will see whom among you will come to me; and some people will be taken away from me, and I will say, 'O Lord, (they are) from me and from my followers.' Then it will be said, 'Did you notice what they did after you? By Allah, they kept on turning on their heels (turned away from true Islam).' " The sub-narrator, Ibn Abi Mulaika said, "O Allah, we seek refuge with You from turning on our heels, or being put to trial in our religion."

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 9.172

Narrated Asma':

The Prophet said, "I will be at my Lake-Fount (Kauthar) waiting for whoever will come to me. Then some people will be taken away from me whereupon I will say, 'My followers!' It will be said, 'You do not know they turned APOSTATES as renegades (deserted their religion).'" (Ibn Abi Mulaika said, "Allah, we seek refuge with You from turning on our heels from the (Islamic) religion and from being put to trial").

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 9.173

Narrated 'Abdullah:

The Prophet said, "I am your predecessor at the Lake-Fount (Kauthar) and some men amongst you will be brought to me, and when I will try to hand them some water, they will be pulled away from me by force whereupon I will say, 'O Lord, my companions!' Then the Almighty will say, 'You do not know what they did after you left, they introduced new things into the religion after you.'"

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 9.174

Narrated Sahl bin Sa'd:

I heard the Prophet saying, "I am your predecessor at the Lake-Fount (Kauthar), and whoever will come to it, will drink from it, and whoever will drink from it, will never become thirsty after that. There will come to me some people whom I know and they know me, and then a barrier will be set up between me and them." Abu Sa'id al- Khudri added that the Prophet further said: "I will say those people are from me. It will be said, 'You do not know what changes and new things they did after you.' Then I will say, 'Far removed (from mercy), far removed (from mercy), those who changed after me!' "

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 8.434

Narrated 'Uqba bin 'Amir:

The Prophet went out and offered the funeral prayer for the martyrs of the (battle of) Uhud and then ascended the pulpit and said, "I am your predecessor and I am a witness against you. By Allah, I am now looking at my Tank-lake (Al-Kauthar) and I have been given the keys of the treasures of the earth (or the keys of the earth). By Allah! I am not afraid that you become polytheist after me, but I am afraid that you will start competing for it (i.e., the pleasures and treasures of this world).

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 3.555

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, I will drive some people out from my (sacred) Fount on the Day of Resurrection as strange camels are expelled from a private trough."

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 4.375

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

... The Prophet said to the Ansar: "You will find after me some great selfishness (UTHRAH). Then be patient till you meet Allah and meet His Apostle at al-Kauthar (i.e. a fount in paradise Ans added but we did not remain patient.)

Note: In English translation of Sahih al-Bukhari 'Uthrah' (selfishness) has been translated to another word, but the rest are the same.

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 5.488

Narrated al-Musaiyab:

I met al-Bara bin 'Azib and said (to him). "May you live prosperously! You enjoyed the company of the Prophet and gave him the Pledge of allegiance (of al-Hudaibiya) under the Tree (of al-Hudaybiyah)." On that, al-Bara' said, "O my nephew! You do not know what we have done after him (i.e. his death)."

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These traditions, nonetheless, indicate the Prophet's (PBUH&HF) knowledge and awareness that some of his companions will change after him (PBUH&HF), and, therefore, will be condemned to hell. This is another reason why the Shia maintain that the Prophet (PBUH&HF) MUST have had a special vicegerent to trust the affairs of the Ummah (Nation) to -- a vicegerent that will NOT mutilate the religion and will remain steadfast until he meets his Creator

(SWT).

It is a known fact that the companions quarreled after the death of the Prophet (PBUH&HF), and wars were waged. The fact, again and again, that the companions were divided is illuminated by Allah (SWT) in the following verse:

"Let there be among you an Ummah inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong. They are the ones to attain felicity. Be not like those who are divided amongst themselves and fall into disputations after receiving Clear Signs: For them is a dreadful Chastisement. On the Day when some faces will be (lit up with) white, and some faces will be (in the gloom of) black: To those whose faces will be black, (will be said): Did ye reject Faith after accepting it? Taste then the Chastisement for rejecting Faith." [3:104-106]

The above verse shows among the companion there were a group (Ummah) who will remain righteous. The verse emphasizes that this Ummah is AMONG THEM so it does not cover all of them. However. the latter part the verse describes the thrid group who were apostatized (turned back on) their faith after the Prophet (PBUH&HF) died. The verse indicates that on the Day of Judgment, there will be two factions: one with white-lit faces, and the other with black-lit faces; that's another hint that the companions will be divided.

Here are some more verses from the Quran that address the third group of companions and their actions:

"They swear by Allah that they said nothing (evil), but indeed they uttered blasphemy, and they uttered it after accepting Islam: and they meditated a plot which they were unable to carry out: this revenge of theirs was (their) only return for the bounty with which Allah and His Messenger had enriched them! If they repent, it will be best for them: But if they turn back (to their evil ways), Allah will punish them with a grievous chastisement in this life and in the Hereafter: They shall have none on earth to protect or help them. [9:74]"

"So He hath put as a consequence hypocrisy into their hearts, (to last) till the Day whereon they shall meet Him: because they broke their Covenant with Allah, and because they lied (again and again). [9:77]"

"The Arabs are the worst in unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger: But Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. [9:97]"

"Hast thou not turned thy thought to those who declare that they believe in the revelations that have come to thee and to those before thee? Their (real) wish is to resort together for judgment (in their disputes) to the Evil (Tagut) though they were ordered to reject him. But Satan's wish is to lead them astray far away (from the Right). [4:60]"

"In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the chastisement they (incur), because they lied (to themselves). [2:10]"

Now let us look at the following verse:

"Has not the time arrived for the Believers that their hearts in all humility should engage in the remembrance of Allah and of the Truth which has been revealed (to them), and that they should not become like those to whom was given The Book aforetime, but long ages passed over them and their hearts grew hard? For many among them are rebellious transgressors. [57:16]"

There may be some translations which state that the above verse is meant to address the Jews and the Christians. That is not true, because it contradicts the verse itself. First, Allah (SWT) is addressing the companions and THEN comparing them to the Jews and the Christians. How then could it be that Allah (SWT) tells the Jews and the Christians: "Has not the time arrived for the Believers that their hearts in all humility should engage in the remembrance of Allah..." and then tell them: "...and that they should not become like those to whom was given The Book aforetime..." Why would Allah (SWT) compare the Christians (or the Jews) to themselves? Does that make sense? No, and Allah (SWT) doesn't contradict Himself (SWT). Rather, the verse was revealed as a questioning by Allah (SWT) regarding some of the the Muhajiroon (the Immigrants), who 17 years after the Quran was revealed, had still not fully believed in their HEARTS. Allah (SWT), as a result, showed disapproval. Again, at the end, Allah points out that among them are many rebellious transgressors.

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As we mentioned, there are some verses in Quran which admired the first faction among the companions. Nevertheless, these verses do not include ALL the companions. Quran often uses the phrase "believers among them" or "those who preceded in belief among them" which shows it does not address the whole companions. In fact some hypocrites were among the companions. If hypocrites were known among the companions they would be no longer hypocrites and would become known enemy.

Moreover, when Allah states I WAS pleased with them till today, it does not imply that they will also be good tomorrow. It is inconceivable that Allah will give a permanent immunity to some people who supposedly have done some good things earlier, but they shed the blood of thousands of innocent Muslims later after the departure of Prophet. If it were so, it would mean that a companion could cancel all the Quranic rules and the instructions of the Prophet. However, as I mentioned, Shia do not discredit all the companions. There were companions who are in great respect for us. These are those whom Allah admired in the Holy Quran. As you might have noticed, those verses in the Holy Quran do not include all the companions. When Allah states: 9:100 And those who preceded (in belief), FROM AMONG Immigrants and Helpers and those who followed them in what was good, Allah * WAS * satisfied with them; He has prepared for them gardens under which rivers flow to dwell therein for ever. That is the great felicity.
9:101 And (however) among the ARABS AROUND YOU ARE HYPOCRITES, and also among the people of Madina (there are some who) persist in hypocrisy whom you (O Muhammad) DO NOT KNOW. We, We know them, and We shall punish them twice; then they will be sent to a painful doom.

The above verses show that:

1- Allah WAS satisfied with them, but may not be applicable later.

2- Allah addressing those who preceded in belief from among them, thus it means He is not addressing all of the companions.

3- Immediately in the next verse, Allah talks about the hypocrites arround Prophet who pretend to be his sincere companions and even Prophet does not know them according to the above verse. This is in conformity with the traditions of Sahih al-Bukhari mentioned above that Allah will say to His Prophet that "You do not know what these companions have done after you left them."

Of course, there are verses in Quran in which Allah uses past tense verb, but it is intended as present and/or future tense verb. However it is not always the case. There are many verses in Quran in which Allah clearly states that He changes His decisions in time based on our actions at each instant of time. Allah is not in the domain of time, but He has ability to change his decision in the dimension of time. Of course He previously know what He will to change later, and He has the foreknowledge of every thing. He does not treat a believer in a bad manner today, even though He knows that this believer will become apostate tomorrow.

To clarify this point, please see verses of Quran such as 8:65-66, 7:153, 16:110, 16:119, 13:11, in which Allah clearly states He changes His decision based on our behavior. You can locate many verses like these in Quran.

Thus Allah's judgment about human beings changes in time according to our actions. If we do something good, He will get please with us, and then if we do something bad, He gets angry from us, and so on. Companions are not exempt from this rule. Any body who does good deeds, Allah was pleased with him, no matter if he was companion or not.

Allah is JUST. He does not discriminate between companion and others who live at this time. No body is guaranteed to go to paradise if he or she does wrong things, kills innocents,... . Otherwise Allah is not just. Allah states in Quran that "Every body is responsible for what he has done." (Quran 74:38).

Allah Also states: "Fulfill your propmise, so that I fullfill My Promise." (Quran 2:40). Thus even if we assume for the sake of argument that the verse 9:100 implies "all" the companions have been promised Paradise, the verse 2:40 clearly states that if those people break their convenant after the death of the messenger of Allah and kill innocents, then Allah will not fulfill His promise for them either.

Let us also look at the following Quranic verses which clearly shows that even a person with high virtues who deserves paradise, can BURN OUT all his good deeds (Habt of Amal) at once! So never judge people for their early good work (if any!). We should always look at the final result of each person. Even prophet didn't know what will be his destiny till he died (i.e., till he passed his final exam!) because he had freedom to do wrong things too.

Allah said: "(O Prophet) If you ascribe a partner to Allah, your work will BURN OUT, and you will be among the losers." (Quran 39:65)

If prophet's deeds are in danger of BURNING, it is clear how to judge for the companions. Of course prophet did not burn out his deeds, but there was potential of danger of burning for him too.

Allah also said: "And if any of you turn back from their faith and die in disbelief, their works BURN OUT and will be of no use in this world and Hereafter, and they will be companions of Fire for ever." (Quran 2:217)

He, Exalted, also said: "Those who become unbeliever after they have been believer, and grow violent in disbelief, their repentance will not be accepted and such people are those who go astray." (Quran 3:90)

He also said: "On that day (Doomsday) some faces will be bright and some faces will be dark. To those whose faces will be dark (will be said Did you reject faith after accepting it? Taste the penalty for rejecting faith!" (Quran 3:106)

Allah also said: "Those who believe, then reject faith, then believe (again), and then reject faith (again) and go on in disbelief, Allah will not forgive them nor guide them on the way." (Quran 4:137)

So it is quite possible for a believer whom Allah is satisfied with him, to become unbeliever tomorrow. Otherwise if somebody is promised that Allah is satisfied with him for ever and unconditionally (no mater he kills innocents or does any other wrong thing later), then it means that he is no longer under the test of Allah, which is in contradiction with several verses of Quran.

Quranic verses indicate both type of Sahaba i.e; Momins and Munafiqs..(You can refer to the article) Munafiqs are divided into 2 parts..1)who embraced Islam and got the company of Prophet,deviated from the right path after Prophet..and those who embraced Islam because it was the only choice and need of time..Abu Sufian and his son Muawiya and other ppl like them..they were never Muslims..!!!

Dispite of this fact,i dont know why our Sunni Brothers place all Sahaba in one row..!!!
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By Allah, I hope u r not spreading false rumour abt Muslims and if this is the case don’t forget the day of judgement, where we all will be judge.

bro r u confused on the diff between Apostles and wives/companion. FYI they r two diff thing in that verse its abt Apostles not abt others.

Btw I though in this thread we are talking abt companion how shia basing come into that?

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I am not a student of Islamic History, but I know that Amir Muawiyyah was not what he is projected to be. Thanks to our biased brethren.

My question is, why did Hassan (or Hussain, I am not sure which one) gave the khilafat to Amir Muawiyah.

While writing this message I have done a search for your benefit. Please go to: http://www.jamiat.org.za/muawiyah.html
The article is self-explanatory.

Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

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Learn your quotation commands, please.

Your whole post is a very good example of Taqiyyah. Your belief that lying and deception will get you ajr is ill-founded. Lies will always get you azab. In fact, my training is that a liar's faith is also doubtful.

Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

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Go back and see who made the first post attacking the sahaba and the wives (radhi Allaho anhum). If you stick your neck out, you are liable to get what’s coming.

Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

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wot r u on abt ff? has ur brian has stoped working or something, after reading the long post?

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u claim to be not a students of history yet u hold strong opinion regarding the history. Ur ignorance seems to go as far as not knowing who gave the caliphate to Mauawiya. Caliphate was not given to Mauayiya rather it was taken away.

Hazratr Hassan (ra) had few supporters after the dispatches of many supports of Ali (as) by the battles such as battle of siffian when Muwayiya was fighting against the rightly guided caliph Hazrat Ali (ra).

The peace treaty which Hasan (ra) made with Muwayiya also had one of thing that Muwiay will stop cursing the Ahul bait which has been started by him till later caliph stops it, (which can be found on many historical text).
Also according to the treaty Hasan should have been the next caplih but he was poisoned. And thus Yazids became the caliph who matyted Iman Hussain (ra) in Karabla.

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Ibrahim says: salaams to all,

Iqra 786! I suppose this was too difficult for you to understand.” : Namely that ye should remain steadfast in Religion and ** make no divisions therein:**” that was part of an ayah , not my words!
or maybe it was too hard for you realize divisions arise only when you start making distinction between individuals,matters or give additional labels to an existing label .
The religion ordained by Allah (swt) for mankind is Islam not shi’ism, the very fact that you have chosen to call yourself a shia, tells us that you have decided to go against Allah (swt) and his approved religion.

Read

3: 85 If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah) never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).

The Prophet of Islam taught Islam not shi’ism and NEVER a shia in his life time nor were any of his companions.

This religion called Islam is not based on any man or his works, the only representative for Islam today is the Qur’an and the Path ( sunnah) that the appointed Prophet of Islam practiced and preached , all the Shia arguments are based on who should be what and who they love most, which are Not fundamental for the practice of Islam. That would not be major problem, if they had not deviated from Islamic teachings but it is very clear that shia’s have deviated hence there is great opposition even to consider them a madhab

The point that you are trying to raise here is that a particular verse is with regards to apostles, ( who themselves attest that they make no distinctions amongst themselves which is a fundamental part of Muslim Belief whilst skipping the above verse. A combination of both verse should have given you correct understanding but you have chosen to be a shia, disputing about the past actions of certain people, which has no bearing on the present, which runs contrary to what Islam teaches.

Let me make this abundantly clear to you.

Read!

6: 159 ** As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects thou hast no part in them in the least:** their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.

and also …

3: 195 And their Lord hath accepted of them and answered them: ** "Never will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you be he male or female:** ye are members one of another;** those who have left their homes or been driven out therefrom or suffered harm in My cause or fought or been slain verily I will blot out from them their iniquities ** and admit them into gardens with rivers flowing beneath; a reward from the presence of Allah and from His presence is the best of rewards.

Ibrahim says: Do you doubt Allah (swt) iqra 786?

The above passage conveys, that those that fought in his cause ( do you have some secret revelations as to which companion did not fight in Allah’s cause) will be forgiven as per His will and decree, ** are YOU or your SHIA brethren now going to decide which of the companions or Muslims will not be forgiven by Allah (swt) for whatever you perceive they may have done? **

Tell us if you have any sincerity in your heart? Are you or the shia who will decide who will be accepted as the companion of the Prophet (pbuh) and who will be rejected by Allah (swt)

Islam is not based on any man’s words nor on following anyone other than the Prohet (pbuh).

The very fact that one argues about it amounts to ignorance of the message given by Allah (swt)

Ibrahim says: I am sure your confusion is due to your inability to understand what has been conveyed. Shi’ism is a path of its own, it is an evolving path, its original teachings and the understanding of the current followers may differ and what form or shape it may take in another few hundred years is anyone’s guess.

The very fact that one sect amongst the Shia insists that there are only 7 imams and an another there are 12 imams is sufficient for those who have common sense to understand the problems they have created for themselves .

Conveying what shi’ism originally taught (is not bashing shi’ism but exposing its foundations) is what I would base my understanding upon and not what its current followers may now perceive it to be or package it as such.

I pray you will come to understand the following verse for your own good.

14: 22 And ** Satan will say** when the matter is decided:** "It was Allah Who gave you a promise of truth:** I too promised but I failed in my promise to you. ** I had no authority over you except to call you but ye listened to me: then reproach not me but reproach your own souls.** I cannot listen to your cries nor can ye listen to mine. I reject your former act in associating me with Allah. For wrongdoers there must be a Grievous Penalty

May Allah (swt) help you come to your senses

Was salaam
Ibrahim

** common sense always speaks too late! **

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Originally posted by Ibrahim:
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Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Hadith 1.114 Narrated by Ubaidullah bin Abdullah

Ibn 'Abbas said, "When the ailment of the Prophet became worse, he said, 'Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.' But 'Umar said, 'The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah's Book with us and that is sufficient for us.' But the companions of the Prophet differed about this and there was a hue and cry. On that the Prophet said to them, 'Go away (and leave me alone). It is not right that you should quarrel in front of me." Ibn 'Abbas came out saying, "It was most unfortunate (a great disaster) that Allah's Apostle was prevented from writing that statement for them because of their disagreement and noise. **

(Note: It is apparent from this Hadith that Ibn 'Abbas had witnessed the event and came out saying this statement. The truth is not so, for Ibn 'Abbas used to say this statement on narrating the Hadith and he had not witnessed the event personally. See Fateh Al-Bari Vol. 1, p.220 footnote.) (See Hadith No. 288, Vol. 4).** <<<<

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Notice how this wahabra covers up Umar's mis-deeds.

When any hadith goes against the companions, there is immediately a foot note.

Notice how this wahabi wants to cast doubt on this AUTHENTIC HADITH that is present in Sahih Bukhari.

This hadith can also be found in other sahih books like Sahih Tirmdhidi and Sahih Hanbal.

HOW CLEAR SHOULD THE HADITH BE TO SHOW YOU THE BEHAVIOR OF UMAR AND HIS ASSOCIATES INFRONT OF THE HOLY PROPHET (PBUH) ?

But no, this wahabi knows better than his forefathers who knew that the hadith was authentic, that THE EVENT DID INDEED TAKE PLACE, that they put it in the Sahih books.

The hadith clearly shows how ** certain companions, led by Umar bin Khattab, decided that the prophet (pbuh) did not know better (May Allah (swt) forgive us for such thoughts) and he, Umar, soley decided that the qur'an was sufficient.**

The truth from the sahihs has been presented. It is now up to you to decide WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE.

Subhan Allah

Allah o Akbar.

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No matter what some would like you to believe, the truth of the matter is that Umar disobeyed the prophet’s (pbuh) order.

The above hadith was from Sahih Bukhari.

Sahih Muslim posts the same hadith as below:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/013.smt.html

Book 013, Number 4016:

Ibn Abbas reported: When Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) was about to leave this world, there were persons (around him) in his house, 'Umar b. al-Kbattab being one of them. Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Come, I may write for you a document; you would not go astray after that. Thereupon Umar said: Verily Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) is deeply afflicted with pain. You have the Qur’an with you. The Book of Allah is sufficient for us.

Those who were present in the house differed. Some of them said: Bring him (the writing material) so that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) may write a document for you and you would never go astray after him And some among them said what 'Umar had (already) said. When they indulged in nonsense and began to dispute in the presence of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), he said: Get up (and go away)

'Ubaidullah said: Ibn Abbas used to say: There was a heavy loss, indeed a heavy loss, that, due to their dispute and noise. Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) could not write (or dictate) the document for them.

Now judge for yrself Umar’s behavior in the presence of the holy prophet (pbuh).

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Originally posted by Ibrahim:
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Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Hadith 4.288 Narrated by Said bin Jubair

Ibn 'Abbas said, "Thursday! What (great thing) took place on Thursday!" Then he started weeping till his tears wetted the gravels of the ground. Then he said, "On Thursday the illness of Allah's Apostle was aggravated and he said, 'Fetch me writing materials so that I may have something ** written to you after which you will never go astray.'** The people (present there) differed in this matter and people should not differ before a prophet. They said, 'Allah's Apostle is seriously sick.' The Prophet said, 'Let me alone, as the state in which I am now, is better than what you are calling me for.' ** The Prophet on his death-bed, gave three orders saying, 'Expel the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula, respect and give gifts to the foreign delegates as you have seen me dealing with them.' I forgot the third (order)." ** (
Ibrahim says; Most of All

Was salaam**
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Brothers / sisters;

Very interesting observations can be made from this hadith.

Sa'id Ibn Jubair (the narrator) claims that Prophet said three things but he has forgotten
the third one which was beneficial for Muslims.

It is interesting to see
that the narrators who used to memorize thousands of traditions, simply
forgot the last will of Prophet (PBUH&HF).

Now if you look at the two
things that the sub-narrator allegedly attributed to the Prophet, i.e.,

1. Expelling pagans from Arabian Peninsula
2. respecting foreign delegates

One can see that these are not the things that if Muslim do, they will
NEVER go astray after Prophet.

The matter should be much more important
that would Guarantee the salvation of Muslims, and it could be no less
important than the subject of leadership.

Moreover such claim contradicts
the saying of Ibn Abbas (in the early mentioned traditions) who claimed
that the quarrel of the companions prevented the prophet from stating his
will.

Here is the last tradition I would like to mention in this regard.

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 5.716

Narrated Ibn Abbas:

Thursday! And how tragic that Thursday was! The ailment of Allah's Apostle became worse (on Thursday) and he said "Bring me something so that I (order) to write for you something after which you will never go
astray." The people (present there) quarreled in this matter, and it
was not right to quarrel in front of prophet.

They said, "What is wrong
with him? (Do you think) he is talking no sense (delirious)?"

Notice how they want to cover up the misdeeds of the prophet's (pbuh) companion, namely Umar bin Khattab.

This is not a shia-sunni war. This is an attempt to get to the truth.

The only person who loses is the one who strays from the truth.

ws

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Originally posted by FactFinder:
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FF;

Obey the qur'an and verify the information, regardless of its source, lest you reject the truth in yr arrogance.

If the hadiths angers you, focus yr dis-approval at the Sahih writers, Bukhari, Muslim, and Tirmdhi, who have considered this event authentic.

And remember the following ayats of the qur'an, which some of the "sahabahs" did not:

[Shakir 59:7] And whatever the Messenger gives you, accept it, and from whatever he forbids you, keep back, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is severe in retributing (evil):

[Shakir 53:3] Nor does he speak out of desire.
[Shakir 53:4] It is naught but revelation that is revealed

[Shakir 49:2] O you who believe! do not raise your voices above the voice of the Prophet, and do not speak loud to him as you speak loud to one another, lest your deeds became null while you do not perceive.

ws

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sorry man, the article does not give explanation of why mauyiah chose his son to lead the islamic empire, when such great other ishabs were living…during the reign of yazid, khana-e-kaba was besieged…that was the most horrendous act…i just have this question..why did he choose yazid to lead islamic empir as if it was his own domain??? i have nothing else against him..but thinking the islamic empire to be private property is un justifiable…can any one explain??
i m not shia, alhamdulillah, but i do know one thing, the love prophet SAW had for hussian RTU was far greater than he had for yazid or mauyiah, and his martydom was horrible as he was martyred by so called muslims, lead by yazid, son of mauwiah.

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Originally posted by ThandyMazaq:
** sorry man, the article does not give explanation of why mauyiah chose his son to lead the islamic empire, when such great other ishabs were living....during the reign of yazid, khana-e-kaba was besieged...that was the most horrendous act...i just have this question..why did he choose yazid to lead islamic empir as if it was his own domain??? i have nothing else against him..but thinking the islamic empire to be private property is un justifiable....can any one explain??
i m not shia, alhamdulillah, but i do know one thing, the love prophet SAW had for hussian RTU was far greater than he had for yazid or mauyiah, and his martydom was horrible as he was martyred by so called muslims, lead by yazid, son of mauwiah. **
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TM;

Putting aside the fact of being a shia or sunni, as this is irrelevant, it would be prudent to research on Muwayah's relationship with Usman and his influence on the 3rd Caliph. This influence gave rise to the treachery of the Ummayad dynasty, and the creation of false hadiths were generated to belittle the household of the prophet's (pbuh) family.

You have touched on a very important issue: Imam Hussain (as) was the beloved grandson of the holy prophet (pbuh), yet the so called muslims decided to side with the tyrant head of Syria.

The reasons behind this conspiracy will unravel the truth.

May Allah (swt) guide us to the truth.

ws

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Originally posted by a1shah:

Ibrahim says: salaams to all

Hey a1shah!, what is this wahabra thing? Is this a new shia slander or a new bra that you have been using?

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keep shooting your mouth, for you alone will be accounting for it!

Ibrahim says: so you expect the compilers of the hadith, to compile hadiths without finding out what they mean and how they should be understood? Or do you expect to be left guessing and conjecturing as you have been doing? The foot note is not written by me and it is there as part of that hadith so that one can verify as to why that hadith is saying such and such and where it should be cross referenced to better understand them…but you will not know such things because you are ignorant of them and you have yet to grow up from your childish habits of sucking your thumb.

Ibrahim says; so now you want to claim I added that foot note?

Ibrahim says: Slandering others again huh? Will you be the one to judge Umar (ra) in the hereafter or do you ever have any fear of Allah (swt)?

Read!

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Hadith 5.22 Narrated by Abu Said

The Prophet said, “Do not abuse my companions for if any one of you spent gold equal to Uhud (in Allah’s Cause) it would not be equal to a Mud or even a half Mud spent by one of them.”

Ibrahim says; what’s up man? You going crazy or something? , all that I posted were from the sahih Bukhari, I added nothing to them! So why are you drowning in sorrow, was your plots a flop once again? Did you NOTICE the reference no? checked them out, if you have some senses left!

Ibrahim says: Why are you contradicting your own words?

you state above in your own words

  1. how certain companions, led by Umar
  2. Umar, soley decided

Were you a participant of this affair or you want to end up making a fool of yourself by saying as such?

Saying things without sound knowledge will lead you to the fire, THINK about it, it is your own funeral.

Ibrahim says: a1shah! You are just pathetic , honestly, the companions were like friends to each other, they consulted each other and they did have disagreements as well as agreements just like normal human beings .

This incident which is being reported , just reveals just such an event, it does not mean the Prophet (pbuh) or Allah (swt) left Muslims in the lurch by failing to reveal the most important thing that will STOP MUSLIMS FROM RUNNING ASTRAY.

Only a shia could end up believing what a prophet may want to convey in his final hour is the determining factor for his prophet hood.

The problem with you is that you want to proof that the most closest of companions ( First three caliphs) to the Prophet (pbuh) became apostates as your shia doctrine teaches you . So you try your best in getting selective hadiths, whilst not realizing what is being conveyed in the Qur’an and other hadiths that negates your motion. So sorry to see you end up losing all the time.

Read!

Sahih Muslim Hadith Hadith 6688 Narrated by Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman

Qays reported: I said to Ammar: What is your opinion about that which you have done in case (of your siding with Ali)? Is it your personal opinion or something you got from Allah’s Apostle? Ammar said: We have got nothing from Allah’s Apostle which people at large did not get, but Hudhayfah told me that ** Allah`s Apostle (peace be upon him) had especially told him amongst his Companion, that there are twelve hypocrites out of whom eight would not get into Paradise, until a camel would be able to pass through the needle hole. ** The ulcer would be itself sufficient (to kill) eight. (So far as four are concerned, I do not remember what Shu’bah said about them.)

This does not mean all companions ( which included Ali (ra) except three were apostates or hypocrites as the shia doctrine teaches.

Ibrahim says: The hadiths will reveal the truth as witnessed by the narrator, where something is forgotten, it is written as forgotten , that does not mean it was deliberate, but you are excused , since your knowledge is only within the frame work of shia follies.

Ibrahim says; you are so silly! If Allah (swt) wanted Muslim to know certain things that will not lead them astray, they would already be conveyed in the Qur’an and put into practice by the Prophet (pbuh). This hadith is addressed to someone in particular , I could be wrong but that is how I see it, since the following words are used.

“so that I may ** write to you ** something after ** which you** will never go astray."

Ibrahim says; I guess you are too silly to understand that in Islam all matters are to be decided by shura and not by appointment like it happens in out current societies. But you can carry on deluding yourself and arguing about the past, when it will have no bearing on the present.

Read!

42: 38 Those who hearken to their Lord and establish regular prayer; ** who (conduct) their affairs by mutual Consultation; ** who spend out of what We bestow on them for Sustenance;

Ibrahim says; Again you do not realize what Islam teaches. Leaving a will is required in Islam but the Prophet (pbuh) did not leave a will because he had no property . If the Prophet (pbuh) wanted to assign a particular individual or family as the leaders of the Muslim world after him, he could and would have done that at the last ( farewell ) sermon on the mount ,where he addressed many Muslims as a whole and already revealed what will not cause all Muslims to stray .

You sound so pathetic is trying to spread the shia folly that only so and so has rightful authority to be imam or caliph. And that shia imams are infallible, when ONLY ALLH (SWT) alone is infallible and human beings are all fallible.

Ibrahim says: As usual the shia deception is to quote half hadiths, mistranslations or fabrications

Try and compare what is actually written and what is being omitted by this deceptive shia.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Hadith 5.716 Narrated by Ibn Abbas

Thursday! And how great that Thursday was! The ailment of Allah’s Apostle became worse (on Thursday) and he said, fetch me something so that I may write to you something after which you will never go astray." The people (present there) differed in this matter, and it was not right to differ before a prophet. ** Some said, “What is wrong with him? (Do you think ) he is delirious (seriously ill)? Ask him ( to understand his state).” So they went to the Prophet and asked him again. The Prophet said, “Leave me, for my present state is better than what you call me for.” Then he ordered them to do three things. He said, “Turn the pagans out of the 'Arabian Peninsula; respect and give gifts to the foreign delegations as you have seen me dealing with them.” (Said bin Jubair, the sub-narrator said that Ibn Abbas kept quiet as rewards the third order, or he said, “I forgot it.”) (See Hadith No. 114 Vol. 1)**

Ibrahim says: Hadith Vol 1. 114. was already quoted by me earlier but will add it again here since a1shah has claimed I added to it

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Hadith 1.114 Narrated by Ubaidullah bin Abdullah

Ibn 'Abbas said, “When the ailment of the Prophet became worse, he said, ‘Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.’ But 'Umar said, ‘The Prophet is seriously ill, and we have got Allah’s Book with us and that is sufficient for us.’ But the companions of the Prophet differed about this and there was a hue and cry. On that the Prophet said to them, 'Go away (and leave me alone). It is not right that you should quarrel in front of me.” Ibn 'Abbas came out saying, "It was most unfortunate (a great disaster) that Allah’s Apostle was prevented from writing that statement for them because of their disagreement and noise. (Note: It is apparent from this Hadith that Ibn 'Abbas had witnessed the event and came out saying this statement. The truth is not so, for Ibn 'Abbas used to say this statement on narrating the Hadith and he had not witnessed the event personally. See Fateh Al-Bari Vol. 1, p.220 footnote.) (See Hadith No. 228, Vol. 4).

Ibrahim says: So once again the people who are in error, are those that try to say things based on their whims and fancies and try to hide what is already made clear by editing and omitting hadiths.

Was salaam
Ibrahim

[This message has been edited by Ibrahim (edited December 25, 2001).]