Re: Iran paper plans Holocaust cartoons in Response to Denmark Cartoons
Yeah, watch out for that boomerang. It's liable to come back and hit you in the head.
Re: Iran paper plans Holocaust cartoons in Response to Denmark Cartoons
Boomerangs usually come back and hit the people who throw them in the first place i.e. the Danes, Europeans etc. Shucks.
Re: Iran paper plans Holocaust cartoons in Response to Denmark Cartoons
The violent protesters and the ones carrying signs in England calling for a European 9/11, another holocaust, and the beheading of those who insult their idol are also throwing boomerangs.
As people like to say, for every action there is a reaction. And the reactions to these incitements to violence and threats are something Muslims will have to live with.
Re: Iran paper plans Holocaust cartoons in Response to Denmark Cartoons
Perhaps your history is taught by Mullahs, but Switzerland played a vital role in the Nazi transfer of Jewish wealth during WW2. There was no Swiss neutrality, they were complicit in the Nazi treatment of the Jews. They also prohibited Jewish refugees or Jewish transit.
It is called a guilty conscience.
Israel is a Jewish state set up after the Holocaust to ensure that it does not happen again to the Jews. Questioning the holocaust there is similar to blaspheming in Pakistan. As soon as you allow blashpemy to be legalized, I will lobby with you to get rid of the Holocaust denial laws in Israel.
This is nothing more than Muslim duplicity speaking.
Most of the "white Christians" you speak of also happen to be neo-nazis. The fact that Muslims would espouse some of their views is not particularly sensational. Again, if it is free speech you are after, why burn buildings and take hostages? It is differential treatment you want for Muslims. You want your norms enforced on those whodo no believe in your religion. You on the other hand migrate to another country and want it changed to fit your customs and beliefs.
Yes that is exactly what I am saying. The death of the blacks during the slave trade and the deaths of the native Americans is indisputable. Anyone who questions their authenticity has an ulterior motive, similar to the Muslims questioning of the holocaust.
You are comparing the US to Europe. In the US, you can question the Holocaust all you like. You can print your anti-jewish cartoons as much as you like.
It has done nothing but show the world that Muslims are looking at any reason to attack Jews and show that the depictions are generally right. It also showed that Muslims are more concerned that their Prophet was depicted as a terrorist than their religious brothers cutting of heads and showing them on TV.
Re: Iran paper plans Holocaust cartoons in Response to Denmark Cartoons
Your arguments in defending the Holocaust laws are getting more and more feeble.
A lot of white Christians in America (including on this site) have questioned the Holocaust of blacks and Indians in America, and do/have disputed the facts. In fact some of them have even made excuses for them. They are perfectly well able to, be they white bigots or not. But they key question is nobody is stopping them from doing so.
Please provide a list a groups around the world that have successfully won the right to have laws in place that make it illegal to question any genocides committed against them?
Also, provide a list of mainstream media examples where anti-Jewish cartoons as have been printed or shown?
Re: Iran paper plans Holocaust cartoons in Response to Denmark Cartoons
by the way,press covers nearly all choicy bits,the issue is being questioned over here right.same case.
Re: Iran paper plans Holocaust cartoons in Response to Denmark Cartoons
A lot of white Christians in America (including on this site) have questioned the Holocaust of blacks and Indians in America, and do/have disputed the facts. In fact some of them have even made excuses for them. They are perfectly well able to, be they white bigots or not. But they key question is nobody is stopping them from doing so.
In the US, where as you mentioned, this is happening, you are free to question, deny, or support the holocaust all you want. As a matter of fact, you can readily find neo-nazi groups who will join you in your quest. Nobody will stop you.
How about this instead: Since you mentioned, and you are concerned about accurate historical data, how about lobbying the US to recognize the Armenian killings at the hands of the Ottomans as genocide?
By the way, what do you think will happen if you go to China and print that Nanjing genocide did not happen?
Main stream where? The main stream papers in the Muslim world are full of anti-Jewish depictions and news. That is the norm in the Muslims world, hating Jews. In the west that is not the case. So you you want everyone to kow tow your line of Jewish hatred? How much more duplicitous can you get? You want to insult and rubbish Jews, yet you want allow them to defend themselves.
Re: Iran paper plans Holocaust cartoons in Response to Denmark Cartoons
You have failed to provide any examples of a list a groups around the world that have asked for laws to stop people questioning holocausts against them.
Also, you have failed to provide a list of mainstream media i.e. BBC, CNN, Fox, Le Monde etc in America and Europe of examples where anti-Jewish cartoons as have been printed or shown?
In the US where the genocide of many more millions of blacks and Indians were occurred there are no laws to stop people questioning those genocides. Similarly, there are no laws in places like Bosnia, Cambodia, Rwanda or Vietnam to stop people questioning killings in those countries.
The Jews - practically the only people in the world who want laws to stop people questioning the Holocaust. No one has yet come forward with any argument as to why these people are more special than the tens of millions of other peoples who were killed in WW2, or hundreds of millions killed before and after the war.
Re: Iran paper plans Holocaust cartoons in Response to Denmark Cartoons
I think you have hit the nail on the head
Before this discussion proceed foward let us see if anyone have a answer to this
is the life of a ukranian,chinease or a cambodian worth more than a jewish life?
Re: Iran paper plans Holocaust cartoons in Response to Denmark Cartoons
Well, it IS childish, no doubt...but Denmark is one of those countries that spoke out against anti-Sematism in the Arab press. And rightly so.
Now, of course, they have egg on their face.
Iran is doing a stupid thing...but what can one expect from a cultist president?
Re: Iran paper plans Holocaust cartoons in Response to Denmark Cartoons
Jis ki laathi uss ke bhensss! :)
Re: Iran paper plans Holocaust cartoons in Response to Denmark Cartoons
Also, you have failed to provide a list of mainstream media i.e. BBC, CNN, Fox, Le Monde etc in America and Europe of examples where anti-Jewish cartoons as have been printed or shown?
In the US where the genocide of many more millions of blacks and Indians were occurred there are no laws to stop people questioning those genocides. Similarly, there are no laws in places like Bosnia, Cambodia, Rwanda or Vietnam to stop people questioning killings in those countries.
The Jews - practically the only people in the world who want laws to stop people questioning the Holocaust. No one has yet come forward with any argument as to why these people are more special than the tens of millions of other peoples who were killed in WW2, or hundreds of millions killed before and after the war.
Here is a suggestion. Instead of rioting and killing and kidnapping, why not lobby the governments of these countries to allow Holocaust denial? At the same time, why not help the West get an "accurate" picture of Muslims and Islam.
Is your thesis that the US should also have laws making holocaust denial a crime? The Jews have acheived the changes by the democratic process, and their suffering ( which everyone except Muslims and noe-nazis see). Jews did not hold diplomats hostage, burn buildings, behead people, commit homicide bombings to get any laws passed.
So again, from your thesis ou agree that Al-Jeezra and the rest of the Islamic press is not main stream. What you want are newspapers to break laws in thier own land, break their cultural norms. How about some Paksiatni newspapers printing the cartoons, and I'll help you lobby the European "main stream" press to print the Iranian anti-sematic cartoons.
By the way, I bet many newspapers in the West run the cartoons. It'll do nothing but make Muslims look bad and make their over reaction even more comical.
No one still answers why Muslims are more pissed at a cartoon than why people feel this way about them.
Re: Iran paper plans Holocaust cartoons in Response to Denmark Cartoons
NIS, go ahead and laugh away on the "over reaction" by muslims. You reap what you sow. You show hatred towards muslims, hatred is what you will get back. Its just that simple.
Re: Iran paper plans Holocaust cartoons in Response to Denmark Cartoons
Not one person has yet been able to answer that question.
Why are Jewish lives more special than the Chinese, Cambodian’s, Slavs and Tutsi’s and many others who have suffered such huge genocides against their peoples?
Re: Iran paper plans Holocaust cartoons in Response to Denmark Cartoons
Hate back. What a lovely message. No wonder it is the perfect religion.
The 'reap what you sow' works both ways. Burn enough buildings and carry enough signs that cry for beheadings and more 9/11's and you will have enough fields to reap from to keep you busy until the coming of the next khilfah.
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Why are Jewish lives more special than the Chinese, Cambodian's, Slavs and Tutsi's and many others who have suffered such huge genocides against their peoples?
I agree with you completely. I will work with you to establish laws that make denying these genocides a crime. Let us start with the Turks' genocide of Armenians and Pakistani Genocide of Bengalis.
Or better yet, point me to a non racist/Islamist organization that is working towards free speech without restrictions, and I'll join in.
Re: Iran paper plans Holocaust cartoons in Response to Denmark Cartoons
An economic response to these countries was good enough. Making cartoons mocking the holocaust is just going to make matters worse. Israel/Jews have nothing to do with this. It just makes Iran look even more ridiculous. Stop the violence ... stick with the economic boycott.
Re: Iran paper plans Holocaust cartoons in Response to Denmark Cartoons
[quote] Here is a suggestion. Instead of rioting and killing and kidnapping, why not lobby the governments of these countries to allow Holocaust denial? At the same time, why not help the West get an "accurate" picture of Muslims and Islam.
Good ideas agreed
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The Jews have acheived the changes by the democratic process, and their suffering ( which everyone except Muslims and noe-nazis see). Jews did not hold diplomats hostage, burn buildings, behead people, commit homicide bombings to get any laws passed.
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let me say this .....you indeed have a very short term memory
try reading a little bit about 1940s and 50s
all those things that you mentioned were committed by all parties concerned including the jews
also nobody is denying the fact the jewish people did suffer terribly in WW2 but is the present version of the holocaust story the accurate one?
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By the way, I bet many newspapers in the West run the cartoons. It'll do nothing but make Muslims look bad and make their over reaction even more comical.
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I am sure a lot of people will silently approve obviously they cannot do that publicly
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No one still answers why Muslims are more pissed at a cartoon than why people feel this way about them
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My opinion is this muslims have seen how Jesus(pbuh) is ridiculed under the pretence of free speech
Re: Iran paper plans Holocaust cartoons in Response to Denmark Cartoons
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Missing the point completely
we do not want people to commit crimes and forget about them
we want impartial investigations of ALL genocides including the ones you mentioned
Re: Iran paper plans Holocaust cartoons in Response to Denmark Cartoons
I am not missing the point at all. Your reason is not academic or for historical accuracy. You want to invalidate the Jewish Holocaust so you can nullify the existence of Israel. You have religious animosity towards Jews and you want that animosity to be shared by the rest of the world. You are being duplicitous. Muslims, in the name of your prophet, are commiting crime now. Why not address that prior to addressing historical inaccuracies?