Mehmood Ghaznavi

[Arleitter]

@DD

You seem to have a very skewed vision of history based upon your religious fervour to devi in ur avatar. Mughals contributed to India too, and they never took the Indian wealth out of India like British did, where every worker of East India company made a fortune and headed back home. British too brought missionaries with them who converted large numbers of Indians to christians.

Based upon my religious fervour to Devi?I am sorry I could not get it.She is my goddess and I worship her more than anything.It has got nothing to do with my outlooks.

I agree that Mughals contributed to India and I have mentioned them in another thread.But British,it's totally different.Hindus,Sikhs and others were safe under British rule.Religious conversions did happen but not in the same ferocity and velocity as they had been under Mughals.

British never demolished any temple or deliberately hampered the religious susceptabilities of Indians.This shows the difference and this is why they gained respect.

[Iconoclast]

Re: Mehmood Ghaznavi

Mughals invested the resources within India, British looted and sent to England.

[mo293]

@being_lonely

A great invader Mehmood Ghaznavi.Tell me about him !

Mahmood was just one there are many with far greater success.

[diwana]

@arleitter

Based upon my religious fervour to Devi?I am sorry I could not get it.She is my goddess and I worship her more than anything.It has got nothing to do with my outlooks.

I agree that Mughals contributed to India and I have mentioned them in another thread.But British,it’s totally different.Hindus,Sikhs and others were safe under British rule.Religious conversions did happen but not in the same ferocity and velocity as they had been under Mughals.

British never demolished any temple or deliberately hampered the religious susceptabilities of Indians.This shows the difference and this is why they gained respect.

(31) Organized efforts of the British to destroy our culture and religion,...

Read this then.

[diwana]

Re: Mehmood Ghaznavi

What is happening with this thread?

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[fayax]

What is happening with this thread?

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Someone is working it.

[Zakk]

Re: Mehmood Ghaznavi

true, I believe it was an Indian prime minister who commented that even past it's prime in the early 18th century India was almost a quarter of the worlds economy by the time the British left it was barely 3 -5%

[hanibal]

@arleitter

Hanibal,do not try to impose your knowledge on anybody.When you are short of facts,why to take these futile reverse tactics?

You are u imposing my knowledge on urself? i just stated some facts and raised some questions…

@arleitter

Alexander’s empire was thrown out of India by Chandragupta Maurya,who founded the Maurya empire.Alexander had suffered hugely in India,he himself was wounded and at one stage, his army had revolted fearing long time stand off and endure of hardship.So Alexander or his Satrapis could not remain in India permanently.

Quick History lesson for you, none of the kingdoms or dynasties last forever, every dynasty/kingdom have a fall… but the point you have raised here is more of your version of history than of any other historian the link below clearly tells you about the causes of his death

Alexander the Great

@arleitter

As regards to you Aryan invasion,you are just trying to exercise what had been taught to you by your syllabus.I can not take that.I do not count an Aryan invasion at all.In those old days ,where regional ,international boundaries had not been ,it was easy for any group/nomad to enter any region.if the so called Aryan Invasion' had been there,India would not have this white skinned-Dark skinned Dravidian division.

But…

I myself consider an Aryan because of someother reasons.

You can go through the following link to understand more abt why the so-called `Aryan Invasion’ is a myth.

http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_frawley.html

So you are saying Aryans didn’t invaded India?

@arleitter

Muslims invaded india and are an integral part of India.I agree… Now there you are… They also could not establish their dominance in India even after this so called 1000 years rule but on the other hand they got assimilated in to Indian main stream.

They ruled the subcontinent for about 1000 years, and when they were falling, even then none of the local was able to take the kingdom away from them, it was Brits who defeated them and then ruled the sub-continent… and yet when they left, Muslims were able to divide the sub-continent. Isn’t that enough…

@arleitter

If you do not have any idea…Portugese were also here and they also left their trail marks.French and Dutch were here…all these had invaded or came to India and had stayed in India for centuries but could not do it permanently.Jews were in India(though not as iinvaders)still many live in India…

Portugese and French controlled a very small part of India, so i didn’t feel like to put them as the great invaders, but if you feel like, you can label any tom, dick and harry as a great invader

@arleitter

So in the end all those came as invaders and guests could not dominate in India but they all got assimilated in to Indian society in some way or the other…

As i have told you, history has its own course, all rise have fall, all falls have a rise.. so no kingdom is there to last for ever… i wonder if you can understand this small logic, as this is the first lesson any student of history has to learn..

[hypnotix-2000]

@marwati

M.Ghaznavi is among great conquorers of world who blast the asses of hindus 17 times! defeating hindus was nothing for thir great warrior king.

What a horrible thing to say...

The crusaders kicked Muslim asses too, only to be driven out in the end by Bebars the Mamaluk (and the resulting fanaticism that still echoes today). I'm sure you might see a semblance in the consequences of "invading" actions of our forefathers today as well.

I for one do not see this pillager of an ass as my hero even though I have the same name as him.

History is very unforgiving so one should learn one's place before someone else catches him by the forelock to clear their vision a bit.

[Arleitter]

@hanibal

You are u imposing my knowledge on urself? i just stated some facts and raised some questions…

Quick History lesson for you, none of the kingdoms or dynasties last forever, every dynasty/kingdom have a fall… but the point you have raised here is more of your version of history than of any other historian the link below clearly tells you about the causes of his death

Alexander the Great - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So you are saying Aryans didn’t invaded India?

They ruled the subcontinent for about 1000 years, and when they were falling, even then none of the local was able to take the kingdom away from them, it was Brits who defeated them and then ruled the sub-continent… and yet when they left, Muslims were able to divide the sub-continent. Isn’t that enough…

Portugese and French controlled a very small part of India, so i didn’t feel like to put them as the great invaders, but if you feel like, you can label any tom, dick and harry as a great invader

As i have told you, history has its own course, all rise have fall, all falls have a rise.. so no kingdom is there to last for ever… i wonder if you can understand this small logic, as this is the first lesson any student of history has to learn..

First of all,I said Alexander lost dearly in India .I never mentioned abt his death.

Aryan invasion was a myth.I will not take that in to account.It was not an invasion but was almost a `sublimation’.

You said Abt Muslim ruling India for 1000 years.Pls understand the fact that Muslims did not rule India as a single force but there had been many Muslim rulers and kingdoms and they were fighting each other.Simeltaneously,there had been Hindu rulers aswell.If you are trying to say about Mughal dynasty,my friend it had been just a comic one after Aurangazib and the last rulers were not bigger enough to cast any kind of influence.they were repeatedly atatcked by Jhats,Marats and others.

Now you are talking abt partition … If that’s your logic,pls see the developments after 1947.We have 1971 also and we Indians(Hindus,Muslims,Christians,Sikhs and all others) could divide Pakistan .

Portugese and French have caused considerable infulence on Indian Subcontinent history .They were not any of Tom and Dick class.It was portugese only who ended centuries old Arab sea trade monolpoly.They indulged in forceful conversions,displaced thousands of Goan Brahmins from their aborogin land,Caused considerable impacts on Kerala history,they had their share of trade and other diplomatic affairs with Mughals so what’s more u need to establish their impact?

French had their share of impacts on India.Its evidence is Pondicherry.

jews.well India is one of the only few places where they could live peacefully.A simple proof is that a few years ago israeli prime minister thanked people of Kerala and its rulers for safe guarding Jews and their interests.

Finally,pls understand that India is the only place, or one of the few places in the world,where all the so called `invaders’ were literally forced to become a part of the Indian mainstream.

[hanibal]

@arleitter

First of all,I said Alexander lost dearly in India .I never mentioned abt his death.

First of All, i glad we can see the quoted text now, easy to read…

Now this brief of what actually happend

East of Porus’ kingdom, near the Ganges River (original Indian name Ganga), was the powerful Nanda Empire of Magadha and Gangaridai Empire of Bengal. Fearing the prospects of facing other powerful Indian armies and exhausted by years of campaigning, his army mutinied at the Hyphasis River (the modern Beas River) refusing to march further east. This river thus marks the easternmost extent of Alexander’s conquests:
As for the Macedonians, however, their struggle with Porus blunted their courage and stayed their further advance into India. For having had all they could do to repulse an enemy who mustered only twenty thousand infantry and two thousand horse, they violently opposed Alexander when he insisted on crossing the river Ganges also, the width of which, as they learned, was thirty-two furlongs, its depth a hundred fathoms, while its banks on the further side were covered with multitudes of men-at-arms and horsemen and elephants. For they were told that the kings of the Ganderites and Praesii were awaiting them with eighty thousand horsemen, two hundred thousand footmen, eight thousand chariots, and six thousand fighting elephants

Now, we knew agree that Alexander was one of the conqueror, and yet he didn’t dare to cross the Ganges, as Indians were there protecting their states, Now We know that Mehmood Ghaznavi did invaded the states which are now called India many times, he have crossed the all the rivers including Ganges… and you are still suggesting that he nothing but a mere daciot…
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@arleitter

Aryan invasion was a myth.I will not take that in to account.It was not an invasion but was almost a `sublimation’.

It was not my intention to discuss it either, i got what i wanted…

@arleitter

You said Abt Muslim ruling India for 1000 years.Pls understand the fact that Muslims did not rule India as a single force but there had been many Muslim rulers and kingdoms and they were fighting each other.Simeltaneously,there had been Hindu rulers aswell.If you are trying to say about Mughal dynasty,my friend it had been just a comic one after Aurangazib and the last rulers were not bigger enough to cast any kind of influence.they were repeatedly atatcked by Jhats,Marats and others.

India was never a country, it was something like central Asia, it was Brits who made it a country, india was always ruled by tribal leaders or the king of certain states, who ever gets the power attack other states and occupy it… same Ashok did and same was done by other hindu leaders…

Muslims occupied maximum part of India, they ruled in Delhi for apporx. 1000 years, their were different dynasties, they fought each other, like Ghulama was replaced by Khaljies and lastly Lodhies were defeated by Mughals… but the common thing was all of them was Muslims and they did ruled/controlled the biggest unit of India…

Now saying that few rebels disrupted this thing is not fair, rebelism is there every where, not a single kingdom existed in history which does not have rebels against it, and yes there are times when these rebels get stronger and then there are times when these rebels get wiped off…

Had Ahmed Shah Abdali Continued and occupied Delhi the hisotry of the sub-continent might have been different…

@arleitter

Now you are talking abt partition … If that’s your logic,pls see the developments after 1947.We have 1971 also and we Indians(Hindus,Muslims,Christians,Sikhs and all others) could divide Pakistan .

Yes i can see the developments, after 1947, yes there were mascares of Muslims, yes there were mascares of Sikhs, yes there is an ongoing movement against the chirstains who are forced to live in the camps as there homes and propeties have been looted/seized by hindus.. yes i know the developments. yes we got defeated in 1971, but the truth is that we learned out lessons and then in 2002, when there was biggest movement of any army against a nation ( yes I am talking about One million Indian Army marching and sitting on Pakistani border, ready to invade Pakistan, and i yes i do remember that this army sat their for almost 10 months and then walked back… yes i do know you can divide us, but i also know a mere victory of some thing like world cup can unit us… so do consider these when next time you try to divide the nation.

@arleitter

Portugese and French have caused considerable infulence on Indian Subcontinent history .They were not any of Tom and Dick class.It was portugese only who ended centuries old Arab sea trade monolpoly.They indulged in forceful conversions,displaced thousands of Goan Brahmins from their aborogin land,Caused considerable impacts on Kerala history,they had their share of trade and other diplomatic affairs with Mughals so what’s more u need to establish their impact?French had their share of impacts on India.Its evidence is Pondicherry.

Ya, what is the area, French and Portugese ruled in India? can you compare that with the sultanate of Moghals, Brits and Alexander??? i there where lots of tribes and khanate which have controlled more area and people and did have trade and other pacts with Moghals and Brits, are you going to name each and every one of them…

@arleitter

jews.well India is one of the only few places where they could live peacefully.A simple proof is that a few years ago israeli prime minister thanked people of Kerala and its rulers for safe guarding Jews and their interests.

How did jews came into the discussion are you a Jew?

@arleitter

Finally,pls understand that India is the only place, or one of the few places in the world,where all the so called `invaders’ were literally forced to become a part of the Indian mainstream.

India is the only place on planet which can be categorize as a new country, as India had never been united not atleast after Ashok, like i said, it have states with totally different mindset and cultures, and thats why they have so many movements going on… and evetually with the passage of time, one by one these states shall fall apart as they did in past…

[Arleitter]

@hanibal

First of All, i glad we can see the quoted text now, easy to read…

Now, we knew agree that Alexander was one of the conqueror, and yet he didn’t dare to cross the Ganges, as Indians were there protecting their states, Now We know that Mehmood Ghaznavi did invaded the states which are now called India many times, he have crossed the all the rivers including Ganges… and you are still suggesting that he nothing but a mere daciot…
.

India was never a country, it was something like central Asia, it was Brits who made it a country, india was always ruled by tribal leaders or the king of certain states, who ever gets the power attack other states and occupy it… same Ashok did and same was done by other hindu leaders…

Muslims occupied maximum part of India, they ruled in Delhi for apporx. 1000 years, their were different dynasties, they fought each other, like Ghulama was replaced by Khaljies and lastly Lodhies were defeated by Mughals… but the common thing was all of them was Muslims and they did ruled/controlled the biggest unit of India…

Now saying that few rebels disrupted this thing is not fair, rebelism is there every where, not a single kingdom existed in history which does not have rebels against it, and yes there are times when these rebels get stronger and then there are times when these rebels get wiped off…

Had Ahmed Shah Abdali Continued and occupied Delhi the hisotry of the sub-continent might have been different…

Yes i can see the developments, after 1947, yes there were mascares of Muslims, yes there were mascares of Sikhs, yes there is an ongoing movement against the chirstains who are forced to live in the camps as there homes and propeties have been looted/seized by hindus.. yes i know the developments. yes we got defeated in 1971, but the truth is that we learned out lessons and then in 2002, when there was biggest movement of any army against a nation ( yes I am talking about One million Indian Army marching and sitting on Pakistani border, ready to invade Pakistan, and i yes i do remember that this army sat their for almost 10 months and then walked back… yes i do know you can divide us, but i also know a mere victory of some thing like world cup can unit us… so do consider these when next time you try to divide the nation.

Ya, what is the area, French and Portugese ruled in India? can you compare that with the sultanate of Moghals, Brits and Alexander??? i there where lots of tribes and khanate which have controlled more area and people and did have trade and other pacts with Moghals and Brits, are you going to name each and every one of them…

How did jews came into the discussion are you a Jew?

India is the only place on planet which can be categorize as a new country, as India had never been united not atleast after Ashok, like i said, it have states with totally different mindset and cultures, and thats why they have so many movements going on… and evetually with the passage of time, one by one these states shall fall apart as they did in past…

I have already explained to you the situation during Ghaznavi’s time.Alexander’s time and Ghaznavi’s time ,both were centuries apart.So there is no need of any comparison.

Muslims did rule in India but did rule India completely is a big mistake .Even during Aurangazib(in whose time the Mughal empire reached its ripe stage)it did not have impact on Southern side much.

Your claim abt India was never a country can be sold to folks in your level.In Hindu puranas and manuscripts there are enough and enough references abt Bharatkhanda' or Bharatvarsha’ which is evident tht it had stood as a great region ,even in very larger dimensions ,than now.Citing the same argument only,Muslim League had demanded for Pakistan but the ill prepared ,short sighted Congress leaders could not envisage the danger in it.

rebels disrupted Muslim rule?Dude ,there have been great uprising against Muslim rule all the time in India.If not against Muslims in India but against invaders.Moreover Maratas had conquered and ruled a great portion of India and even controlled Lahore.By that time the Mughal empire had been dimnished in to nothing.

Your statement abt Abdali does not stand.It is as good as had Sadasiva Rao had been alive in the war,the history of the sub continent would have been different!!!

Ongoing movement against Christians?I think you are making the entire things black.There is no anti Christian movement in India and if you are trying to say abt the kandamal violence,that was a sad one but Indian government has taken adequate measures to countersuch instances in future.recently home min.Mr.Chidambaram apologized for it. Can u expect such behaviour from any politician in Pakistan?,a place where Mr.Jinnah said minorities would have equal rights.

You need not tell us abt Sikhs and Christians in India.Sikhs and Christians live in India peacefully .Our P.M is a Sikh.Our Defence Minister is Christian by name(though he is anatheist).Are you trying to compare India wih Pakistan?
Better look at the minorities in Pakistan.Do not force me to give you the countless atrocities done against them.this is not the thread for that.But since you have shown a courage to close your eyes on to things in Pakistan,I think it’s better for me to tell you that minorities in Pakistan live in a shadow of fear and anxiety.Numerous attacks against Hindus Christians and Sikhs have been reported.Illegeal encroachments of Hindu temples are not isolated incidents.Ahmediyas are not even considered as Muslims.There are ongoing strifes between Sunnis and Shias.I do not want to mention the countless problems occuring in pakistan .Lets discuss them in some other thread.

You do not tell me abt 2002 period.Lets not start a political fight here.You will be at a receiving end all the time.I do not want to place you in that.

size of the Portugese and French..yes I will compare them with Mughals.What was the size of the territories Mughals handled after Aurangazib?Do u have any idea?Mughals had become like any ordinary land lords after Aurangazib.They had been constantly attacked,defeated and cleared by many .

I have mentioned abt Jews in my earlier threads.How does it matter being or not being Jew here? I can’t blame you for this question.But having lived in India for many years,I know the pulse of this country.We do not give preference to religion anywhere.This is not the case with we hindus Sikhs and Christians alone but Muslims also.

Your mention abt ongoing movements in India is hilarious.Can u tell me how many movements are going on in India apart from what all have been gauged by your delusions of grandeur?

Just look at the fate of Khalistan and how effectively we cleared it off.Kashmir insurgency is meeting it’s ends now.India has always been a land of diversity and complexities.Each state has got its own tradition and culture.This has been there for centuries.But there is one feeling that binds all these states,places and people together.That’s is it’s India and we are Indians.The concerted attempts to divide Indians are also failing pathetically now and one such example is the deserving whip given to Mr.Musharaff by Delhi Imam.

Sikhs Christians Muslims and all our minorities continue to give their great contributions towards our national building.They all have got equal rights and status.

It’s funny to note that you even thought that Indian states would break away.I can only laugh at it.

[hanibal]

@arleitter

I have already explained to you the situation during Ghaznavi’s time.Alexander’s time and Ghaznavi’s time ,both were centuries apart.So there is no need of any comparison.

Well in that case, the situation was not good during Mughal era when the Maratha decoit started looitng the Mughal cities of India under Mughal Empire… what is true for Ghaznavi should be true for Marathas… or you have decided to give them some relief as they are your heroes

@arleitter

Muslims did rule in India but did rule India completely is a big mistake .Even during Aurangazib(in whose time the Mughal empire reached its ripe stage)it did not have impact on Southern side much.

Southern India was never touched by most of the invaders, apparently it was only Brits who started from the South, anyway are you considering Maisoor and Hyderabad as part of Northern India… Even Alexander the great never looked at that part, as i have stated earlier, India has never been united in its current state, there was always countries and states, Raja and Maha Rajas…

@arleitter

Your claim abt India was never a country can be sold to folks in your level.In Hindu puranas and manuscripts there are enough and enough references abt Bharatkhanda' or Bharatvarsha’ which is evident tht it had stood as a great region ,even in very larger dimensions ,than now.Citing the same argument only,Muslim League had demanded for Pakistan but the ill prepared ,short sighted Congress leaders could not envisage the danger in it.

Well that is strange that you are changing your stance and that is again in the same thread, little while ago, you where talking about Alexander, have you forgetton the stuff that Alexander had to fight with different armies in sub-continent, and finally he declared the Raja of Jehlum as the TOP RAJA and his Embassidor… have you for gotten the part where Mehmood Ghaznavi faced different armies of different states and defeated them all.. have you forgotten the fact that Even Mughals fought with different states, making them their part or having them pay the Annual TAX… yes it was Ashok who Joined India, but again his kingdom never had complete india.. so you better start taking history lessons, otherwise you will be issue statements which may contradicts your own claims…

@arleitter

rebels disrupted Muslim rule?Dude ,there have been great uprising against Muslim rule all the time in India.If not against Muslims in India but against invaders.Moreover Maratas had conquered and ruled a great portion of India and even controlled Lahore.By that time the Mughal empire had been dimnished in to nothing.

So there has been great uprising and it took Hindus 1000 years to get rid of Muslims from Delhi.. this is what you are telling me??? Yes and then Maratha Empire vaporized into the air…

@arleitter

Your statement abt Abdali does not stand.It is as good as had Sadasiva Rao had been alive in the war,the history of the sub continent would have been different!!!

Well it does carry weight look at from different prespective, Abdali has broken the back of Marathas, this created a power vacum, Abdali could have started his own dynasty in India, same as baber did and prior to him Lodhis did… and Abdalies sure has the power to defeat the European forces, on the other hand, if Maratha had won the war, the result might have been the same, the Maratha could have continued with their rule hence no vaccum for English to slip in, if either of that had happend, we might be communicating in different language…if you know what i mean..

@arleitter

Ongoing movement against Christians?I think you are making the entire things black.There is no anti Christian movement in India and if you are trying to say abt the kandamal violence,that was a sad one but Indian government has taken adequate measures to countersuch instances in future.recently home min.Mr.Chidambaram apologized for it. Can u expect such behaviour from any politician in Pakistan?,a place where Mr.Jinnah said minorities would have equal rights.

INDIA Orissa: thousands of refugees and new victims, massacre of Christians continues - Asia News

above link may help you in getting your fact straights, seriously do you read anything else which is not published by Indian govt or a particular party..

We do not kill minorities in the manner India does, hence we do not have to issue the appologies on these issue… remember appology is for the mistake, we don’t do it, we don’t have to apologize, anyway, you think the apology will heals the wounds of thousands of people , will it bring back the ones you have lost their lives??? may be according to hindu religion.. but not according to Christain and Muslims…

@arleitter

You need not tell us abt Sikhs and Christians in India.Sikhs and Christians live in India peacefully .Our P.M is a Sikh.Our Defence Minister is Christian by name(though he is anatheist).Are you trying to compare India wih Pakistan?
Better look at the minorities in Pakistan.Do not force me to give you the countless atrocities done against them.this is not the thread for that.But since you have shown a courage to close your eyes on to things in Pakistan,I think it’s better for me to tell you that minorities in Pakistan live in a shadow of fear and anxiety.Numerous attacks against Hindus Christians and Sikhs have been reported.Illegeal encroachments of Hindu temples are not isolated incidents.Ahmediyas are not even considered as Muslims.There are ongoing strifes between Sunnis and Shias.I do not want to mention the countless problems occuring in pakistan .Lets discuss them in some other thread.

Actually i saw that, Golden Temple of Sikhs ( which is like Makkah and Madina for Sikhs) was raided and destroyed… Babri Mosque was destroyed and people who have done it are admitting it openly and are proud of it.. only these two incidents do tell us that how well Muslims and Sikhs are living in India.. i need not to say about those you are suppressed and have no voice.. yet you hear them every now and then…

Sunnis and Shia, is totally different story, the rift between the two cults are 1400 year old, and is normally fumed by the 3rd parties, yet it is common practise to have family relationship between the two cults…

@arleitter

You do not tell me abt 2002 period.Lets not start a political fight here.You will be at a receiving end all the time.I do not want to place you in that.

This is not the political forum as well, if you wish to have one, your other brothers always start/paritcipate and then end up at the receiving end, you are also welcome, but in the apt forum

@arleitter

size of the Portugese and French..yes I will compare them with Mughals.What was the size of the territories Mughals handled after Aurangazib?Do u have any idea?Mughals had become like any ordinary land lords after Aurangazib.They had been constantly attacked,defeated and cleared by many .

Who held the Delhi till 1857? your answer of this will say it all…

It is like in 90s when taliban controlled 70% of Afghanistan, yet the world recognized the govt of Kabul only, it is when Kabul was conquered by Talibs, yes maratha looted delhi many times, but they were never able to establish their govt on Delhi… so Legally they were decoits…

@arleitter

I have mentioned abt Jews in my earlier threads.How does it matter being or not being Jew here? I can’t blame you for this question.But having lived in India for many years,I know the pulse of this country.We do not give preference to religion anywhere.This is not the case with we hindus Sikhs and Christians alone but Muslims also.

My point is, what jews had to do with the discussion at hand… you have also mentioned your trip to Dubai in your earlier threads, should we discuss that as well??? please be logical, if this is your logic, then i guess i am wasting my time and bits of GS.

@arleitter

Your mention abt ongoing movements in India is hilarious.Can u tell me how many movements are going on in India apart from what all have been gauged by your delusions of grandeur?

please visit the WA forum of GS, you’ll get the answer…

@arleitter

Just look at the fate of Khalistan and how effectively we cleared it off.Kashmir insurgency is meeting it’s ends now.India has always been a land of diversity and complexities.Each state has got its own tradition and culture.This has been there for centuries.But there is one feeling that binds all these states,places and people together.That’s is it’s India and we are Indians.The concerted attempts to divide Indians are also failing pathetically now and one such example is the deserving whip given to Mr.Musharaff by Delhi Imam. :hehe:

Musharaf is the most hated figure head in Pakistan, he dared not to walk in the streets on London, as he may create a record for the man have hiited by the most number of shoes…

Kashmir has not been your part from last 60 years, how can it be yor part now, its only 8 months back when after a demonstration by almost half a million kashmiries in IOK raised the subject in Indian Media that if this is the time to set Kashmiri free, strangely enough that debate was over-lapped by Mumbai Attacks…

@arleitter

Sikhs Christians Muslims and all our minorities continue to give their great contributions towards our national building.They all have got equal rights and status.

I can see that, and my Muslim brothers in India can feel that…

@arleitter

It’s funny to note that you even thought that Indian states would break away.I can only laugh at it.

Your fore-fathers, laughed at the very idea of dividing sub-continent and creating Pakistan.. so you are not different, look Pakistan is a reality today.. and so will be Maharashter the state for Maraties…

[Arleitter]

Re: Mehmood Ghaznavi

Maratas attacked Mughals because Mughal existence was against the wishes of Indian people.The atrocities committed by Mughals can never be forgotten.Notonly Mughals Rajputs Siks and others revolted against Mughals and attacked them.It was a fight against invaders .They could succeed in turning Mughals ,minnows lately.Tell me after Aurangazib which Mughal leader could resume with their empre effectively?

pls get ur facts before commenting on anything....................

Your information on South is so bleak that you are once again trying to furnish your knowlede in an invain manner.Dude,long before British had effective influence in South, Portugese had stepped on Kerala(precisely Malabar coast),and it was Mr.Vasco de Gama ,who had set his foots on the land of Malabar and he was the commander of the first ships that sailed directly from Europe to India.His entry marked the begining of nearly Five Ceturies long Portugese presence in India.First being traders,portugese slowly started their military campaigns in Kerala and they effectively ended centuries old kerala-Arab naval trade,by constantly attacking Arabs.Later they turned against local Muslims ,engaging in constant violence against Muslims and their installations and interests.In one of the incidents portugese men set fire a ship that was carrying pilgrims of Men Women and Children, returning from mecca,killing all people.They attacked Goa forced Brahmins flee Goa and Goa had been one of their Colonies until 1961.Thanks to a spectacular military operation carried out by the Indian army that finally liberated Goa (Operation Vijay),after all repeated requests and negotiation attempts failed.

You want more abt Dutch presence in South before Britsh?Dude,Dutch had been in south,especially in Kerala and were defeated in a decisive battle in 1741 (Kolachal war),by the local king of Travancore and that was a blow to any European force present in Kerala,ending all Dutch ambitions in India.The Dutch commander captured in the war,Mr De-Lenoy ,later helped the king to fortify his kingdom,gave invaluable military training and those later turned to be effectively useful against Mr.Tipu. (Mr.theodore Roosevelt ,the 26th President of U.S.A )was his descendant.

Pls learn abt French also.They had also established their part in India.Pondicherry ,Mahi Yanam and Karakkal,Chandranagar were their colonies and they left India in 1950's,in a peaceful manner.

I am not changing my stance,rather you are not able to understand the truth or you are not willing to fololow the truth.I will never buy your point that India had never been a country.I will go by my sacred Religious books only.i can't buy the points of Muslim League (Pre 1947)and Mr.Jinnah.

Dude,it did not take 1000 years as is stated by many for Indians to get rid off invaders.After Aurangazib,Mughals were just comic charecters.

I am happy that you agreed with my point on Maratas and Sadasiva Rao.

Pls do not mention abt minorities in Pakistan.It does not serve any purpose.Killings,abductions,forced conversions,Religious sites encroachment all continue.Pls do not force me to place links here.This thread may not be sufficient for that. And above all,you do not fail to surprise me with your claims on minority safety in Pakistan!!!! pls my friend,why are you trying it invain?Pls do not o it.You are becoming an element of joke here.(Sorry no offence meant)

Golden temple.Dude do you what did your hero Abdali do to Sikhs?He filled the sacred pond of Golden temple with the dead bodies of people.Here goes your hero and now you are concerned abt Sikhs!!! Comeon my friend.................. Babri Masjid .......... For one Bbari Masjid how many Hindu temples were destroyed?What abt the Jain temple near university in Lahore?Was not it fully razed to the ground?pls pls pls do not create darkness by closing ur eyes.

My friend,people belonging to your domain had always tried to create wedges between Hindus and Sikhs but all those attempts have been failed pathetically.Now why do you want to lose once again?

Who held Delhi till 1857?Yes a few comic charecters called Mughals who had been militarily defeated,trounced to the last bit and were in possession of just a few kilometers.

Your statement abt Talinban is really astonishing.Dude ,pls tell us how many countries recognizedd Taliban.The entire world barring a few Islamic countries,ostracized Taliban.Once again you are being ignorant on facts.

Jews-Pls go up and check what I have said abt them.In my earlier post I have mentioned abt them as a diapora of people who came to India centuries ago and happily live in inda even now.I think you do not how to comprehend facts and rather I should think I am wasting my time here.

Your statement abt Musharaff is something weird.If he is ur most hatred man ,what can we Indians do abt it?He was ur president.Whose fault is that?I said ur hatred man got whiped off by Delhi Imam.Mushy was attempting for a gap building,but Delhi Imam gave him a befitting answer.

Do not tell me abt demonstrations in Kashmir.First we had cross border sponsored terrorism ,when it failed to achieve any objective , induced,incited demonstrations by a few.This will also go in to oblivion.

Your Muslim brothers??????????/ Are your referring to your blood relatives in India?if yes O.K,but pls do not try to comment on Indian Muslims who live in India happily and flay Pakistan.Muslims in India do not see pakistan as an entity,they see it as a failed state.I have my very close friends as Muslims,they hate Pakistan more than we Hindus Sikhs and Christans do.Do you know what happened to thousands of Pak flags in Bangalore last year after Bangalore bomb blasts?After each friday congragation,for weeks,Muslim youths and other men were kicking and burning Pak flags.

I have no ill feelings for Pakistan and it's people.I have a very large number of friends from Pakistan and I have my special interests in Pakistan,especially in Sindh for my own personal reasons.But my friends are not religious fantatics like many here.

one off-topic ...........

(WA/PA forum.but interesting.Have you noticed one thread going on there?Pak flag hoisted in Assam kind of stuff?The fact is that it is an old news (October 2008) and I was laughing reading the posts of many.Even moderators do not have any idea abt that thread and it's contents.Infact those who had hoisted the flag came back with an explanation that they hoisted Muslim League flag and not Pak flag.Anyway those flag hoisters got what they deserved ..........though they did it deliberately or not.......)

Your last stament is even more funnier..... Maratis will ask for a seperate state?Lol.......

Pls my friend.we Hindus,Christians,Sikhs,Muslims,Parsis and others will decide the future of India.we do not want help from across the border.You pls take care of your kitchen first.Pls try to get it in order.

Even before completion of 25 years, Pakistan was divided in to two.The succesful Bangla revolt was not started by Indian Hindus ,Muslims,Sikhs,Christans,Parsis , others and my fore-fathers ,but by Bangla Muslims.Pls understand facts and the very bottomline.

Now you have Balochistan burning.....................

If you want we will discuss . But this is not the appropriate thread to discuss that ......................... Again you will be at the receiving end...........

[hanibal]

Re: Mehmood Ghaznavi

^^ Now it is really long, i'll reply on it after the week end

[Arleitter]

Re: Mehmood Ghaznavi

O..k,No issues.

[Maverick_27]

@Arleitter

Based upon my religious fervour to Devi?I am sorry I could not get it.She is my goddess and I worship her more than anything.It has got nothing to do with my outlooks.

I agree that Mughals contributed to India and I have mentioned them in another thread.But British,it's totally different.Hindus,Sikhs and others were safe under British rule.Religious conversions did happen but not in the same ferocity and velocity as they had been under Mughals.

Arleitter

u may be right to some extent but if this was case as u r presenting ........... there would be no mandir and holy places left in india. 1000 years are enuf to remove such things.

forced conversion is not allowed and never practices by the muslim rulers . other wise there wud be hindu in indian sub continent. interestingly we see that hindus population is still many times more than the muslims. many temples before the invasion of muslims still exist.

islam propagation was through love and tablaigh and not through force. Specially by sofia karam like khawaja moeenuddin chisti. to who even hindu still pay homage.

[Arleitter]

Re: Mehmood Ghaznavi

^I respect Chisti and I have experienced his blessings . :) :) :)(Absolutely speechless,I am)

Its one of my favourite spots.........................

But as regards to Muslim rulers and conversions,I do not agree wuith that.Many were indulged in forced convesrions.

[Maverick_27]

^I respect Chisti and I have experienced his blessings . :) :) :)(Absolutely speechless,I am)

Its one of my favourite spots.........................

ok ............... sir

[COLD_FIRE]

Re: Mehmood Ghaznavi

Ghaznavi had a really hard life i say. But yes, a great Sultan no doubt.