According to some people its Bidaah to sit and read Quran in a Mehfil..
What are ur views??
Re: Mehfil-e-Quran..
The biggest bidat is compilation of Quran, it was not compiled in its present form by our holy Prophet(SAW) . What are your views about that ?
Lighten up , bidaat does not apply to anything and everything.
Bid’ah means adding or changing articles of faith or religious practices. It can take many forms. One may change the occasion of a prescribed act for example perform Hajj in some other month, thereby extending it to occasions for which it was not meant. One may add restrictions on a desired act that the Shariah had not imposed for example prohbiting people to hold mahfil a khatm a Quran. One may change the style or form of such an act for example start reading namaz sitting in a chair without having any physical disability. Or one may change the Shariah status of an act from permissible to mandatory. Of course, one may also add a fard ritual which never existed. These are all forms of bid’ah. They are all forbidden.
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It's an act that brings out good. There is no negatives that we see come out of it, all positive. Yes scholars say one should not encourage such acts but doesn't mean they're bad. Just like milad.. To consider it as fard, then it's wrong. To call people hypocrites because they did not attend such an event, that's wrong.
Shaykh Muhammad Salih al-Munajjid (May Allah preserve him) says: With regard to what you mention about Abu Bakr compiling the Qur’aan, this is not bid’ah, rather it is Sunnah such as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) enjoined us to adhere to when he said: “I urge you to adhere to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the Rightly-Guided khaleefahs after me.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 2676; Abu Dawood, 4607; Ibn Maajah, 42. This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Tirmidhi, by al-Haakim, 1/177; and by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 2549, from the hadeeth of al-‘Irbaad ibn Saariyah). This is one of the Sunnahs of the Rightly-Guided Khaleefah Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him).
Bid’ah means seeking to draw close to Allaah by means of acts of worship for which there is no precedent (in sharee’ah). The Qur’aan was compiled in people’s hearts and it was compiled on tablets kept by some of the Sahaabah. Compiling all of it in one place or on one tablet does not involve anything that is to be denounced.
Zayd ibn Thaabit said – when Abu Bakr delegated him to collect the Mus-haf – I sought the Qur’aan and I gathered it from pieces, i.e., leaves, patches of leather, shoulder-blades of sheep and camels, leaves of palm trees, and the hearts of men.
Al-Qaadi Abu Bakr al-Baaqillaani mentioned the justification for the action of Abu Bakr, the five most important points of which were:
1 – That the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do that for a reason, and Abu Bakr did it because there was a need for it.
2 – Allaah referred in the Qur’aan to al-Suhuf al-Oola (the former Scriptures – al-A’laa 89:19], and He stated that Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had something similar in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning]: “reciting (the Qur’aan) purified pages [purified from Al-Baatil (falsehood)]. Wherein are correct and straight laws from Allaah” [al-Bayyinah 98:2-3]. So this [action of Abu Bakr] was following that which was prescribed by Allaah and His Messenger.
3 – By doing that, their intention was to fulfil the words of Allaah:
“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”[al-Hijr 15:9]. It was preserved with Him, and He told us that He would preserve it after it had been sent down. Part of His preserving it was His enabling the Sahaabah to gather it and to agree upon how its spelling and punctuation were to be regulated.
4 – The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had scribes to whom he dictated it, so that everyone would understand from this that it should be written down and preserved on sheets. If Allaah’s guarantee to preserve it meant that the ummah would have nothing to do with it, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would not have had it written down after Allaah had told him of His guarantee to preserve it. But it is known that the way in which Allaah has preserved it is by causing us to preserve it and making that easy for us, and showing us how it is to be written down.
5 – It is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade traveling with the Qur’aan to the land of the enemy. This indicates that it was written down and that the people used to take it with them when they travelled. Abu Bakr ibn al-‘Arabi said: this is the clearest evidence for anyone who studies the issue
Source: Are the compilation of the Qur’an and the first adhaan for Jumu’ah forms of bid’ah (innovation)?
Re: Mehfil-e-Quran..
If in that Mehfil all your going to be doing is reading the Quran then there is nothing more rewarding than that.
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Shaykh Muhammad Salih al-Munajjid (May Allah preserve him) says:
With regard to what you mention about Abu Bakr compiling the Qur’aan, this is not bid’ah, rather it is Sunnah such as the Prophet (peace and blessings of ........................
I am not saying compilation of Quran is bidah. People should not start labeling everything as bidah.
People apply the bidah test too literally and in a very constrictive way.
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comparing the eesaal-e-sawab and khatam-e-Quran mehfils to compilation of Quran is a joke....
its like people saying "the prophet did not drive cars so driving cars is a bidaat too"....
such useless statements r put forward by those who dont really understand what bidaat means....
comparing the eesaal-e-sawab and khatam-e-Quran mehfils to compilation of Quran is a joke....
its like people saying "the prophet did not drive cars so driving cars is a bidaat too".... such useless statements r put forward by those who dont really understand what bidaat means....
Can you please add some more logic , quranic reference, reference from hadees to your statement.
Right now your statements looks like a statement of a Mullah who would issue a fatwa on a minbar on the basis of his beard and jubba and ammama and people will accept that thinking this guy has a beard , he is wearing an Islimc outfit , he must be right.
And we know this, how?
Chunni, you can either go by what people perceive as “reward” or you can look what the Prophet (pbuh) did:
Short and easy answer.
Thread about it:
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/296166-khatam-sharif.html
Search, you will find others as well.
Folks over at yahoo answers know about this, then some of us clowns here:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080430045909AAOHqmL
this is what Shaykh Munajjid says:It [Bid’ah] is defined as: any invented way in religion that is aimed at worshiping or drawing closer to Allaah. This means anything that is not referred to specifically in Sharee’ah, and for which there is no evidence (daleel) in the Qur’aan or Sunnah, and which was not known at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his Companions. At the same time, it is quite obvious that this definition of religious inventions or innovations, which are condemned, does not include worldly inventions [such as cars and washing machines, etc. - Translator]
Source: Bid’ah Hasanah (“Good Innovations”)
Here is more detailed discussion of bid’ah: This question involves two issues, bid’ah (innovation) and shirk (polytheism, association of others with Allaah).
A. Bid’ah.
This issue may be divided into three topics: 1. Definition of bid’ah 2. Categories of bid’ah 3. Rulings on one who commits bid’ah – does that make him a kaafir or not?
1. Definition of bid’ah.
Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “According to sharee’ah, the definition is ‘Worshipping Allaah in ways that Allaah has not prescribed.’ If you wish you may say, ‘Worshipping Allaah in ways that are not those of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or his rightly guided successors (al-khulafaa’ al-raashidoon).’”
The first definition is taken from the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “Or have they partners with Allaah (false gods) who have instituted for them a religion which Allaah has not ordained?” [al-Shooraa 42:21]
The second definition is taken from the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who said: “I urge you to adhere to my way (Sunnah) and the way of the rightly-guided successors (al-khulafa’ al-raashidoon) who come after me. Hold fast to it and bite onto it with your eyeteeth *, and beware of newly-invented matters.”
So everyone who worships Allaah in a manner that Allaah has not prescribed or in a manner that is not in accordance with the way of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or his rightly-guided successors (al-khulafa’ al-raashidoon), is an innovator, whether that innovated worship has to do with the names and attributes of Allaah, or to do with His rulings and laws.
With regard to ordinary matters of habit and custom, these are not called bid’ah (innovation) in Islam, even though they may be described as such in linguistic terms. But they are not innovations in the religious sense, and these are not the things that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was warning us against. And there is no such thing in Islam as bid’ah hasanah (good innovation).”
(Majmoo’ Fataawa Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, vol. 2, p. 291)*
Re: Mehfil-e-Quran..
Think it in this way.
We all believe that reading Quran is rewarded by Allah. Right ? So when I am reading Quran I will be rewarded. Right ?
Then someone who arranged for me to go to his house and read Quran why Allah will deprive that person from the reward who arranged for me to read Quran. After all Allah says that co operate with each other in good deeds.
As for esal a sawab , aital kursee which we all read after every namaz , it presents the concept of shifaat/recommendation , where Allah says that nobody can do recommendation in front of Allah without his permission.
mun zal lazi eshafa hoo inda ho bay iz nay he.
does not stop you from recommendation , it allows you to do recommendation , now it is up to Allah to accept your recommendation or not.
Good, now apply this to reading of Quran. Reading of Quran brings you closer to Allah , does it not ? If you are reading Quran you are worshiping Allah beacuse Allah orders us in Quran to read it . So fulfiling a command of Allah is worshiping Allah, then how can reading of Quran indidualy or as a group be a bidah.
The poeple learn to read Quran in a class room setting where they read it togather , would it be bida . No , then if people have mahfle a khatm a quran who can that be bida and instead of being a rewarded by Allah , it will be looked down upon by Allah.*
^reading as in learning environment is found in the ahadith whereas reading the Qur’aan in groups for khtam-e-Qur’aan, asala sawab etc isn’t. Please check these links for more info on this issue:
Ruling on gathering to make du’aa and recite Qur’aan
Reading Qur’aan together, giving good deeds to the dead
Here is the basic logic to understand these kinds of issues:
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Is it allowed to recite Qur’aan? Yes
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Is it allowed to do it in a specific manner at specific time at specific day for a specific purpose or with specific intention? If there’s an evidence then we do it, otherwise it is a bid’ah.
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By inventing new things or new ways to do certain acts of worship, you’re simply saying that Allah Ta’ala and His Rasoul (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) left out few things or ways which could have benefited you in this world and here after, 'aoudbillah.
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Reading Quran alone, in mehfil, for genral blessing, for eisaal-e-sawaab is perfectly all right and the act is worthy of sawaab ..
I am not sure why we are having such lengthy discussions here.
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well reading alone is a good thing but Allah Tallah did not ask you to read in a mehfil, and when people do this it becomes bidaah..
Reading Quran alone, in mehfil, for genral blessing, for eisaal-e-sawaab is perfectly all right and the act is worthy of sawaab ..
I am not sure why we are having such lengthy discussions here.
I agree with you , those who think it is perfectly all right they can go to those mahfils and get sawab and do an esal a sawab.
Those who think it is not , they can read it alone and earn all the sawaab.
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well reading alone is a good thing but Allah Tallah did not ask you to read in a mehfil, and when people do this it becomes bidaah..
When Imam recites quran in Namaz, when mufassir recites it while teaching tafseer, when teacher recites (and students repeat) in a Quran class, is it biddah? Are those not Mehfils?
if you recite quran in a room, and I am in another room reciting Quran, is that OK?
if we remove the wall from between those rooms, would than become biddah then?
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well reading alone is a good thing but Allah Tallah did not ask you to read in a mehfil, and when people do this it becomes bidaah..
This hadees is quoted in first link provided above in post # 13 by Allah Ka Banda:
It was narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh and by Abu Dawood from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No people gather in one of the houses of Allaah, reciting the Book of Allaah and studying it together, but tranquillity descends upon them and mercy encompasses them, and the angels surround them, and Allaah mentions them to those who are with Him.”
This very hadees is being used for prohibiting mahfil a quran khawani , which is asking people to do so.
There can be no more twisted logic than this.
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TLK, from mehfil-e-Quran basically i mean Quraan khaanis on someone's death etc...
not wt u've mentioned, hope im clear now if not then will giv details later.
May Allah guide to the right path, (Ameen)
Allahafiz..