Media curbs relaxed - some Private TV channels back on air

[Decent_6Chora]

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So you mean judges were arrested and army went into courts to prove Geo was reporting correct?

Which story was full of lies, enlighten us.

I was simply trying to say (only if you want to understand) that

GEO's NEWS TICKER (and Shahid Massod) was saying "ARMY HAS ENTERED THE SUPREME COURT AND ALL THE JUSTICES HAVE BEEN ARRESTED"

while at the same time (in between) GEO's OWN reporter (with cameraman) was giving live reports from INSIDE SUPREME COURT that

"ARMY HAS NOT ENTERED SUPREME COURT AND ALL THE JUDGES ARE INSIDE THE SUPREME COURT HAVING DISCUSSION.....I AM INSIDE THE SUPREME COURT BUILDING AND I DONT SEE ANY FORCES PERSONAL OTHER THAN THE REGULAR COURT STAFF"

Whether the judges were arrested later on or not, is separate thing, but I am just trying to say that GEO was spreading false news just to increase ciaos and viewer ship

[Captain1]

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Sure it should be dealt with laws and not dandas but emergency was a special case keyun k there was no time on hand to deal with corrupt media. Had media playing its role responsibly, tu channels band kerney kee zarorat hee nahi aatee.

why was there no time to deal with media? Lal Masjid saga took place in July while emergency was announced months after that... what steps/cases did govt file against these corrupt media-men? Hint: Musharraf's kursi was in danger due and he was running out of time.

[Decent_6Chora]

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why was there no time to deal with media? Lal Masjid saga took place in July while emergency was announced months after that... what steps/cases did govt file against these corrupt media-men? Hint: Musharraf's kursi was in danger due and he was running out of time.

You know how long it takes in court battles. I do remember though that govt moved 2 references against GEO and AAJ in PEMRA (which is controling authority). I'll try to find out the link about that news

[Iconoclast]

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I was simply trying to say (only if you want to understand) that

GEO's NEWS TICKER (and Shahid Massod) was saying "ARMY HAS ENTERED THE SUPREME COURT AND ALL THE JUSTICES HAVE BEEN ARRESTED"

while at the same time (in between) GEO's OWN reporter (with cameraman) was giving live reports from INSIDE SUPREME COURT that

"ARMY HAS NOT ENTERED SUPREME COURT AND ALL THE JUDGES ARE INSIDE THE SUPREME COURT HAVING DISCUSSION.....I AM INSIDE THE SUPREME COURT BUILDING AND I DONT SEE ANY FORCES PERSONAL OTHER THAN THE REGULAR COURT STAFF"

Whether the judges were arrested later on or not, is separate thing, but I am just trying to say that GEO was spreading false news just to increase ciaos and viewer ship

You are proving yoursef wrong.

Media or Geo does not mean Shahid Masood. Shahid Masood may have got wrong info initially and a REPORTER OF THE SAME CHANNEL sets the record straight by telling what actually happened. This shows that Geo is NOT partial.

Much worse reporting is done by other channels and they correct themselves later. When 9/11 happened, CNN aired footage of Palestinians dancing in joy, which actually was recorded many months before the event. And they later apologised.

[Shamraz_Khan]

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Tell me if GEO was lying not?

The time when GEO was reporting all this, Judges were not arrested and Army was not in Supreme court building.

What are you talking about? Do you think Mushrraf send out bunch of gun blazing thugs to protect the SC? No. He sent them to take over the court and remove justices who he didn't like. So, solders may not have entered the SC, but the the army took over the court and accomplished the mission as it was assigned to it by the dictator.

BTW, I was watching with my own eyes on tv when soldiers were outside of the SC building and when the CJ, and other justices locked themselves inside of the court and declared martial law illegal... and were sending faxes to the high court judges asking them not to take oath under PCO. That was on all the tv channels, and not just on GEO

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Freedom comes with a responsibility, If you don't use the freedom with responsibility, it can be snatched. Its a very basic phenomenon only if you want to understand it. For example you have a right to drive car on the road but if you keep hitting other cars, your license will be revoked and your RIGHT to drive will be provoked

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Sorry wrong analogy again. Driving a car is privilege with certain conditions, but fundamental freedoms are God given, and are guaranteed in the constitution. Only if your beloved dictator had read the constitution it would be a diff. story....

[suhaib]

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well shiek raseed was on aaj and said that all channels will be back except for one, probably geo.
now all are back except for geo and ary.

geo a totaly biased channel deserves it, they should not be allowed back till shahid masood is fired, he is the worst of the worst and the most biased, and on top of that he has such an raw voice which is hard to understand.

[suhaib]

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They probably signed on to new PEMRA rules.

its called a code of conduct, which every country with a media has had till today except pakistan and was about time it gets one too.

[Reza_Pahlavi]

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@Decent_6Chora

GEO’s NEWS TICKER (and Shahid Massod) was saying “ARMY HAS ENTERED THE SUPREME COURT AND ALL THE JUSTICES HAVE BEEN ARRESTED”

while at the same time (in between) GEO’s OWN reporter (with cameraman) was giving live reports from INSIDE SUPREME COURT that

“ARMY HAS NOT ENTERED SUPREME COURT AND ALL THE JUDGES ARE INSIDE THE SUPREME COURT HAVING DISCUSSION…I AM INSIDE THE SUPREME COURT BUILDING AND I DONT SEE ANY FORCES PERSONAL OTHER THAN THE REGULAR COURT STAFF”

Whether the judges were arrested later on or not, is separate thing, but I am just trying to say that GEO was spreading false news just to increase ciaos and viewer ship

The outright lies that they told about soldiers taking over the Supreme Court were refuted by their own journalists and even lawyers on the ground. But those were not the only lies told by Geo. They were the first to break the story “BREAKING NEWS: MUSHARRAF PUT UNDER HOUSE ARREST BY HIS OWN SOLDIERS”. They quickly removed that ticker when it was told to them that Musharraf was actually in a meeting with 80 foreign diplomats, and then they tried to blame obscure and unnamed Arab sources.

Also, remember when “Dr” (or rather weatherman) Shahid Masood said the storm warnings over Karachi were just govt scaremongering. The following morning the storms lashed Karachi, and many, many people died. Shameful reporting for which this clown should have been sacked!

[suhaib]

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I think GEO has lot more subscribers outside of Pakistan so they'll survive even if there is total ban on it.

they will be killed,
which subscribers do they have in UK, the channel is free to air, and how many people in usa and uk even watch it, most people are not even interested in pakistani channels abroad.
and even if they do get alot of viewers, where will there content come as they will surily not be able to afford all those dramas and programes coming on now, as 90% of there revenues are from pakistan.

[Aalsi]

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@Reza_Pahlavi

The outright lies that they told about soldiers taking over the Supreme Court were refuted by their own journalists and even lawyers on the ground. But those were not the only lies told by Geo. They were the first to break the story “BREAKING NEWS: MUSHARRAF PUT UNDER HOUSE ARREST BY HIS OWN SOLDIERS”. They quickly removed that ticker when it was told to them that Musharraf was actually in a meeting with 80 foreign diplomats, and then they tried to blame obscure and unnamed Arab sources.

Also, remember when “Dr” (or rather weatherman) Shahid Masood said the storm warnings over Karachi were just govt scaremongering. The following morning the storms lashed Karachi, and many, many people died. Shameful reporting for which this clown should have been sacked!

Yes. Remember it well.

[Sa1eem]

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Lies of media are very easy to be captured and govt should sue them and take to court for highest possible punishment rather then shutting them off (which is a usual dictator style). I am not saying media are innocent and bias free, I have always maintained that all these developments are fairly new to our people/media/industry, they will need time to develop... development doesn't come thru shutting them down/forcing to sign a law etc., rather take to court and *nanga*fy them there so people would know what is right and what is wrong.

What government is making them media sign is defamation clause. According to that clause, if any media would lie intentionally, slander or defame anyone, they would get fined heavily and may even lose their license.

GEO is not agreeing to that. Once they would agree, they would be allowed to transmit in the country. Actually, what I heard is that one media owner (most likely GEO) told to people privately that if he wants, he can bring down government in 3 days. Is that what these idiots got their license for?

I think that if instead of Musharraf, if the time was of any past rulers, owner of such media along with many journalists would have got arrested and tortured to death, without any other media writing about their fate or even mentioning them. The channel would have disappeared without any trace and people would not have known what happened. This is how traditional governments in Pakistan get things done and that was normal during rule of all past rulers before Musharraf came to power.

[TeflonFlex]

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I just cannot stand that Shahid Masood guy, he seemes to be the only analyst Geo have and he acts as though he knows it all. He is not even a qualified journalist and most of the stuff he says is just pure random nonsense. To prove The General's point about "gutter journalism" in Pak, Geo UK was finded recently by OfCom the regulation body of Telecoms for showing pictures of dead bodies during early afternoon.

[Captain1]

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@Sa1eem

What government is making them media sign is defamation clause. According to that clause, if any media would lie intentionally, slander or defame anyone, they would get fined heavily and may even lose their license.

And who would decide that? Govt, media, public or kangaroo courts?

GEO is not agreeing to that. Once they would agree, they would be allowed to transmit in the country. Actually, **what I heard **is that one media owner (most likely GEO) told to people privately that if he wants, he can bring down government in 3 days. Is that what these idiots got their license for?

not very reliable

I think that if instead of Musharraf, if the time was of any past rulers, owner of such media along with many journalists would have got arrested and tortured to death, without any other media writing about their fate or even mentioning them. The channel would have disappeared without any trace and people would not have known what happened. This is how traditional governments in Pakistan get things done and that was normal during rule of all past rulers before Musharraf came to power.

I don’t think so, we have seen tussle of Jang and other print media with Nawaz Sharif where NS blocked import of printing paper or raised duty to make it really expensive for them. Do you have an incident from previous govts where they arrested someone for broadcasting/printing against their wishes?

[Caesar]

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Seems Shahid Masood's "End of Time" documentary about qyamat was also spiced up and sensationalized :D

By the way, Jang Group is one big blackmailer group. Every one knows their games.

ARY the gold smugglers are also trying to play tough.

They aint no Robin Hoods.

And Talat Hussain and that Mushtaq Minhas and Nusrat Javed must be dying right now because AAJ is allowed on conditions that their programmes wont be aired .

[Sa1eem]

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@Captain1

And who would decide that? Govt, media, public or kangaroo courts?

Whatever court is there would decide. Rather, PEMRA can decide too. No media has God given right to transmit anything in any country, else you would have had playboy channel in Pakistan too, transmitting their programs legally. Any media that want to transmit they transmit if government allows them to transmit in their country.

All this talk is bull-shiit that media is free to transmist and government cannot stop, as government if they want to can even stop any signal coming tocountry from settalite too.

not very reliable

Well, I said I heard, does not mean that my information, what I heard is not reliable.

I don’t think so, we have seen tussle of Jang and other print media with Nawaz Sharif where NS blocked import of printing paper or raised duty to make it really expensive for them. Do you have an incident from previous governments where they arrested someone for broadcasting/printing against their wishes?

Yea, there was tussle and yea, there was lot of incident when government cancelled the license of media operators, and even put many in jail. Well, Hamid Mir himself was victim of government and with one order lost his job, once during BB government and other time during NS government. Only thing is that, media always made sure that they do not overstep as they are doing today. On the other hand, most print media was monitored and government use to make sure what they publish was what they allow

On the other hand, as you should know, there was no freedom for media before Musharraf, nor there was any electronic media as we see today. Only PTV was allowed to transmit in Pakistan and that is what freedom of press means for Pakistanis since Pakistanis got their 1973 constitution.

[Caesar]

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Lies of media are very easy to be captured and govt should sue them and take to court for highest possible punishment rather then shutting them off (which is a usual dictator style). I am not saying media are innocent and bias free, I have always maintained that all these developments are fairly new to our people/media/industry, they will need time to develop... development doesn't come thru shutting them down/forcing to sign a law etc., rather take to court and *nanga*fy them there so people would know what is right and what is wrong.

I'm wondering what would some ppl call it if the govt does decide to take them to court, "brutality", "military court", "dictatorial court", "rubber stamp court"

cause I dont seem to think the earlier media accomplice courts would have ever held media accountable even if they started showing gore or porn on prime time.

And actually ARY were gold smugglers, GEO i.e. Jang Group and their founder MKR have a history of political manipulation, blackmail. Their motives did not indicate that they wished to learn and develop with time...their freedom got to their head.

[Captain1]

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@Sa1eem

Whatever court is there would decide. Rather, PEMRA can decide too. No media has God given right to transmit anything in any country, else you would have had playboy channel in Pakistan too, transmitting their programs legally. Any media that want to transmit they transmit if government allows them to transmit in their country.

Of course everything you do in a country has to follow laws, are you telling me that media were given licences without any list of laws to follow?

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All this talk is bull-shiit that media is free to transmist and government cannot stop, as government if they want to can even stop any signal coming tocountry from settalite too.
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Govts control media but doesn't mean that they do not allow govt criticism. Other govts usually take media to courts, where does our govt take media to? dark room.

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Yea, there was tussle and yea, there was lot of incident when government cancelled the license of media operators, and even put many in jail. Well, Hamid Mir himself was victim of government and with one order lost his job, once during BB government and other time during NS government. Only thing is that, media always made sure that they do not overstep as they are doing today. On the other hand, most print media was monitored and government use to make sure what they publish was what they allow
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Can you tell me who was jailed and who was tortured to death?

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On the other hand, as you should know, there was no freedom for media before Musharraf, nor there was any electronic media as we see today. Only PTV was allowed to transmit in Pakistan and that is what freedom of press means for Pakistanis since Pakistanis got their 1973 constitution.
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Yes there were no other media (TV channels), PTV was and still is govt's representative (controlled).

[Captain1]

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I'm wondering what would some ppl call it if the govt does decide to take them to court, "brutality", "military court", "dictatorial court", "rubber stamp court"

If govt had not closed media and not fired SC, taken media to court then it would've had credibility... the new judges now lost further credibility by endorsing the kursi sticker.

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cause I dont seem to think the earlier media accomplice courts would have ever held media accountable even if they started showing gore or porn on prime time.
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Courts are not going to go shopping for glass of waters for us, if you don't like something on tv take them to court, if they are doing it within law then you need to change the laws. shutting them down, firing them is not going to change a lot.

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And actually ARY were gold smugglers, GEO i.e. Jang Group and their founder MKR have a history of political manipulation, blackmail. Their motives did not indicate that they wished to learn and develop with time...their freedom got to their head.
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On the same token, the current govt members are all corrupt, political manipulators, blackmailers and they do not indicate the wish to learn, why are they sitting in govt?

[Sa1eem]

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@Captain1

Of course everything you do in a country has to follow laws, are you telling me that media were given licences without any list of laws to follow?

Well, according to law, media should not lie, should not spread unrest, should not slander anyone, should not defame anyone, should follow the guidelines given to them by government. Unfortunately, most of Pakistani media break all these laws regularly, that includes GEO and ARY, and if government get strict, they can cancel the license of all such media lawfully. Though government can cancel license of any media operator if they want to (example is Al-jazeerah transmission in USA).

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Govts control media but doesn't mean that they do not allow govt criticism. Other govts usually take media to courts, where does our govt take media to? dark room.
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Government has never said that they want media not to criticise them. Rather they have encouraged positive criticism. What government wants is that media should follow rules and that is not to lie and not to defame anyone with their lies.

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Can you tell me who was jailed and who was tortured to death?
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Now do not ask me to do search for all of past incidences. please try to find out some :) Just for memory, I remember few Jasarat journalists belonging to JI getting killed by Zulfiqar A Bhutto government. Many journalists and writers, including Faiz spend years in prison.

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Yes there were no other media (TV channels), PTV was and still is govt's representative (controlled).
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Well, if government wants to, they can bring that period back. I believe that as media is behaving, if not today than next government that could be of BB or NS, or even PML(Q) government without Musharraf may do the same, cancel all licencse in whatever name making whatever excuse (bay hayayee, defaming people, or transmitting lies).

[Ali_R]

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I'm wondering what would some ppl call it if the govt does decide to take them to court, "brutality", "military court", "dictatorial court", "rubber stamp court"

cause I dont seem to think the earlier media accomplice courts would have ever held media accountable even if they started showing gore or porn on prime time.

And actually ARY were gold smugglers, GEO i.e. Jang Group and their founder MKR have a history of political manipulation, blackmail. Their motives did not indicate that they wished to learn and develop with time...their freedom got to their head.

That's strange to hear from you. ARY was airing propaganda material of Mushy's compain to support his Government. Especially the song touching my heart. I felt like crying. Crying on how much you ever try to change a person. But finally (in this case), a dictator stays a dictator. As watching, I was remained of Saddam Hussain and his smiling posture with his so supporters. And worse:
They where repeating the video every hour. Therefore I'm disappointed by your complain about ARY Digital.