Meddling of nonMuslims into pure Islamic threads

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Hundreds of thousands :rolleyes:
Do you have no clue or just pretending? You must be referring to the killings that happened under Hussein.

Not my religion, thank you.
No one said they shouldn’t be held accountable. It just has nothing to do with this subject as much as you would like to make it. I guess it is to make excuses or justify the terrorists actions or somehow make the Islamic terrorists not any worse than Christians.

Chrstianity, white supremacits, OK bombing or perveted priests have nothing to do with this. Start a thread about that if it will make you feel any better, but don’t try to answer posts that castigate the beheading of innocents in the name of Islam. That is why there is the “meddling of non Muslims” in Muslim sites and threads. These radical interpretations of Islam affect the whole world.

Yeah, I sure do. He has issued fatwas in the name of your religion that call for the killing innocents around the world. You don’t have a clue about free speech or democracy if you think that he in any way represents it.

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*Originally posted by anjjan: *
Warning in this thread is now a joke. Muslims have already entered the trap.

In my friendly discussions I have seen that it is very easy to offend a muslim and a communist. If a Muslim cannot stand the discussion he calls you a Kafir and leaves, and so a communist when fails to argue calls you a bourgeois and leaves.
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friendly discussion don`t be so patronizing you claim muslims are not tolerant and call you kafir you come from a country which treats muslims lower than untouchables how can you come here and talk about tolerance.

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what I have to say is that a number of times there are threads where muslims can learn from other muslims and get better understanding, correct some of their misconceptions, clarify things etc..these are needed. However some of the flame baits, insults and inflammatory rhetoric by others turns those threads into yet more pissing contest threads.

I have no issue anyone critiquing my faith and asking questions, but must we take threads on tangents and must we mock and insult people while doing so.

I believe I have asked questions from members of other faiths as well, but have made an effort to be civil, respectful and watchful of any sensitivities.

Additionally we do have some banner waving book banging members who are muslim and either fall right away for a flame bait, or get offended at a simple question and start their attacks.

Makes it a very unpleasant experience.

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Fruadiya the last point is hogwash. These are the scourge on a website as they are around the rest of the world. They pontificate, scaremonger, wag their fingers (but never their tails), and do the very same you are accusing others of.

Tell me if this is inflamatory "according to our beliefs all muslims are going to hell"

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Matsui my statement

"However some of the flame baits, insults and inflammatory rhetoric by others turns those threads into yet more pissing contest threads."

Is not directed at non muslims, but at all who make a mess of these threads.

as far as inflammatory goes, diff ppl mayhave diff tolerance limits. having a discussion among sensible people about what a faith says about people not following that faith going to heaven or hell is nto an issue, I have had discussions on thios topic with many fine ppl online and otherwise. However the same discussion between a group of idiots, or with inclusion of idiots can turn into a pathetic display of loutish behaviour.

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Oh I am sorry, I actually read sources other than the CNN and Fox News. Some people don’t believe anything unless it comes out of Barbara Walter’s or Oprah Winfrey’s mouth :smiley:
Lets assume for your stubborn sake I am wrong, not a hundred thousand lets say one thousand. Can you live with that? Yeah I guess 1000 dead kids are okay for a few barrels of oil and world domination to boot :rolleyes:

You meddler, you are so blinded by your own bias you fail to see the simple point I am trying to make. Just as Islam has its imperfections due to the actions of some individuals, similarly Christianity is tainted by the actions of others. Just because they mention Islam you think they speak for all of Muslim kind? White supremacists claim that White Christians are the only ones worth living and cite the Bible and God as defense for their actions. Yet you conveniently fail to mention this.
As for radical interpretations, I said it before and I say it again, you have no authority in Islam therefore you are not a position to claim anything is Islamic is radical. It’s convenient to label everything you fail to understand or disagree with as radical.

Once again in your hurry to judge others from your high horse, you mistakenly assume that I said OBL represents free speech and democracy. LOL. Show me where I said that. All I am saying is that if you indeed hold those principles so dear then you shouldn’t have a problem with it. Famous Americans like Bill O Reilly and Rush Limbaugh have stated similar RADICAL statements yet no wars have been launched to bring them to justice :rolleyes:

As for condemnations from Muslim leaders, you kill their people in their backyards and then you expect them to cry over the death of a few Americans (who mind you were fully aware of the risk when they came to the ME). Don’t hold your breath.

Matsui,
Nothing you say is inflammatory because we know Islam is the only true faith :slight_smile:

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I wont even bother to read the replies.Well I kind of already have- some of them.

Anyway who ever thinks non Muslims shouldnt be on this forum- pls grow up.I mean every person has a right to learn about other people ,races,religions and what not.

Its ridiculous to have an 'only Muslims area' anywhere.Others should always be welcome to learn and express ideas in a respectful manner.

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Let’s assume your sources are correct and it is closer to 100 than 1. Please provide them.

Once again if you wish to discuss Christian imperfections, open a thread. When having a discussion or debate about a particular subject, it does not advance your position or the discussion by bringing up incomparable subjects.

I have as much authority on Islam as you do on Christianity, white supremacists or western culture and much more abililty to look at them objectively as evidenced by your dogmatic posts.

*Originally posted by skhan: *

When Bill O’Reilly issues a religous (or any other) edict to kill Muslims wherever you find them and trains, plans and finances holy warriors to kill thousands of innocents, let’s talk. Until then try to stay on subject.

Muslims are killing their people in their own backyards and they don’t say anything about that either. When exactly will they speak up? No one is asking for anyone to cry about dead Americans. You should be crying about the way these people you are defending are distorting “the only true faith”.

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Over 11,000 in Iraq and 2.6 civilians for every 10 tonnes of bombs dropped in Afghanistan. You can do the math. These don’t include the crippled or those being held and tortured at prisons. If you are looking for warriors trained to kill innocents and people who fund them, look no further than the US Army and Airforce and YOU the taxpayer funding them. So instead of making a fool of yourself stop debating a moot point. Don’t hide behind statistics instead try to defend your nation’s actions if you can. Personally, I think 10000 dead kids are a bit much for a few bucks and good will for Isrealis.

I can state whatever I want in any thread I want. I don’t need your advice on what threads I can open :rolleyes:
Every heard of an analogy?

Why are you concerned about Muslims killing Muslims? I am sure that ratio pales in comparison to probably the damage done by a few daisy cutters dropped on a villages. Are you trying to imply that gives a right to the US to go and trample whoever they want? This is why you people are called meddlers, you meddle in other people’s business. Now you are paying the price, which we find is quite dear.

I offer logical arguments which instead of trying to counter, you try to twist the words into something which I didn’t even mean or crouch behind petty circular reasoning. Better yet when you’re really cornered you don’t even acknowledge my argument LOL. Displays either a lack of intellect and expression. I’d say a bit of both. Oh yeah, the fact that you have no moral ground might count too.

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*Originally posted by Muslim_Queen: *

Its ridiculous to have an 'only Muslims area' anywhere.Others should always be welcome to learn and express ideas in a respectful manner.
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So if I ask a question like about "wiraasat" should any non-muslim come and pass comment on that?

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*Originally posted by skhan: *
Better yet when you're really cornered you don't even acknowledge my argument LOL.

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You offer no logical arguments unless logic = turn discussion into tirade against the non Mulsim. Americans try to discuss the reasons that the direction and interpretation of Islam is important to them and why they bother to "meddle". You in turn go on the offensive with the "yeah buts..." of carpet bombing of civilian area, daisy cutters on villages, hundreds of thousands of widows and orphans (please use your vast, American taxpayer-financed education to do the math for me as I have a lack of intellect), no moral high ground, child-molesting priests, white supremacists, the Oklahoma bombing, the status of Christianity, the US deserves it, theories of US world domination, Jewish conspiracies, etc. What does any of that have to do with why non-Muslims meddle in Islamic threads?

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*Originally posted by Muslim_Queen: *

Its ridiculous to have an 'only Muslims area' anywhere.Others should always be welcome to learn and express ideas in a respectful manner.
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Exactly if they respectful it no problem, but unfortuantly lot of them are disrespectful and start mocking islam and calling muslims terrorists.

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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
You offer no logical arguments unless logic = turn discussion into tirade against the non Mulsim. Americans try to discuss the reasons that the direction and interpretation of Islam is important to them and why they bother to "meddle". You in turn go on the offensive with the "yeah buts..." of carpet bombing of civilian area, daisy cutters on villages, hundreds of thousands of widows and orphans (please use your vast, American taxpayer-financed education to do the math for me as I have a lack of intellect), no moral high ground, child-molesting priests, white supremacists, the Oklahoma bombing, the status of Christianity, the US deserves it, theories of US world domination, Jewish conspiracies, etc. What does any of that have to do with why non-Muslims meddle in Islamic threads?
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Thanks for proving my point. :biggthumb

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Actually, neither one of three points proved your point. Try again.... :D

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*Originally posted by Ohioguy: *
Smell if you must.

If a Christian videotaped the murder of an innocent and said "Praise Jesus", I would be equally shocked and concerned for the Christian religion. If a Christian concocted some tangental reason why the innocent was not innocent, I would be equally concerned. If there was the INTENTIONAL slaughter of innocents around the world in the name of my religion I would be equally concerned.

I did not bring religion into this. OBL issued a Fatwa, a relgious edict, that no one in the Muslim world renounced, mandating the murder of Americans and Jews world-wide. Do not then wonder why Islam is in the spotlight today.

The only reason we are interested in "meddling" in Islam, is that Islam has a political message. I did not make it this way. But it now effects me.
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Well, Muslims can justify the decapitation while praising Allah cos they can reffer the act of killing to Quran itself, read these verses from the Quran.

2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them

2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression

2:216, Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you

3:28, Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah

4:48 “Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.”

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No muslim can justify innocent killings as itstotally against Islamic principles.. for people like u who take Quranic verses out of context from Quran from hate sites there is no cure.. the above verses relate to a condition whe muslims are in a situation in war andkillings is prescribed to them in such situations..

Islam is the only religion which gave strict codes about war.. innocent killings are never prescibed in any situation including killings or decapitation as done in Iraq.. muslims are strictly forbidden even in a war situation ko kill.. women, children, old, weak or all those non-combatants! So ur quoting of above verses relate to thosewho wage war against muslims and they are advised to kill in war with full vigor..

And for likes of Matsui their hate or Islam and muslims is quite evident from time and again here.. for all other non-muslims who come here to learn and for knowledge sake I appreciate them :k:

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I don’t see this Korean fellow waging any war against Islam or muslims who was beheaded the other day. He was only working their as translator…

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"Well, Muslims can justify the decapitation while praising Allah cos they can reffer the act of killing to Quran itself, read these verses from the Quran."

This is the exact problem. You can take any religion, and take small snippets of verse, and exclaim that virtually anything is justified. That is the problem with fundmentalism. Christian, Hebrew, or Muslim you can take any excerpt, declare it directly from God, and use it for evil.

No religious text should be taken out of the context of the whole. The Quran refers a number of times to brutal slayings. The Bible is filled with horrific references.

The problem is that fundmentalist Jihadis are warping the words of the Quran to thier own hateful purpose.

Like it or not, the 1990's was a time when Clinton was downsizing the military. We went through a decade where the US cut nearly 40% of the manpower of it's military. (Hardly what a country hell-bent on world domination would do). Even Bush came into office with no agenda whatsoever to do "nationbuilding". Up until 9/11 he was nearly an isolationist! He came into office far more worried about the US economy than foreign policy. (And don't blame me, I did not vote for him!)

The war with radical Islam came to us, therefore it is our right to comment on the actions of those who take lives in the name of Islam.