Let those who have not known the truth come and participate. Maybe not today, tomorrow or at some point in their life they might realize the truth of Islam. If they speak ill of Islam and come here to just throw in garbage, they are only portraying their marvellous background, upbringing and way of thinking. Welcome guys....Most Welcome :)
We as Muslims have a duty. At all odds our duty is to first learn, correct ourselves, pray for guidance and spread the light. May Allah help us and guide us.
Anwar,
It's quite evident you haven't the foggest.
No one is mocking Islam. Mocking hate, absolutely.
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*Originally posted by laeeqkhan: *
Let those who have not known the truth come and participate. Maybe not today, tomorrow or at some point in their life they might realize the truth of Islam. If they speak ill of Islam and come here to just throw in garbage, they are only portraying their marvellous background, upbringing and way of thinking. Welcome guys....Most Welcome :)
We as Muslims have a duty. At all odds our duty is to first learn, correct ourselves, pray for guidance and spread the light. May Allah help us and guide us.
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:)
Sometimes, we tend to forget the real message.
thanks for the reminder :)
same can be argued about iraq where
bin quasim came from and afganistan
another example . it looks lke revenge of history.
Mate, there are people Non-muslims and Muslims (ME) whose concern regarding the religion’s authenticity seems genuine and should be met with fairness not with fanaticism. for example here is something which confuses the minds of non-muslim and MUSLIM (ME) equaly. This is story about Safiyah Bint Huyeiy Ibn Akhtab, the Jewish woman who was captured when Muhammad’s troops attacked Kheibar and brought her to the Prophet as part of his share of the booty. This story, is reported in the Book of Tabaqat and is published also in the trusted Islamic site. http://www.prophetmuhammed.org/ Safiyah was seventeen and very beautiful when Muslims killed her father, husband and many of her relatives. In the same day the Prophet of Allah wanted to sleep with her.
Historian is saying that the wedding took place one day after the prophet got private with Safiyah and made his moves to have sex with her. This presented no problem for the prophet as he had his Allah reveal a verse saying it is okay to sleep with women captured in war without marrying them even if they are married.
“And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess…” (Q. 4:24 )
The above verse shows that the Holy prophet did not believe that slaves have any right. You could be a happily married woman living your own life, but if Muhammad and his devout followers attacked your town and captured you, you would lose all your rights, and while your husband was being killed or enslaved you would be given to a Muslim Mujahid who would rape you all with Allah’s blessings.
Dear friends,
greetings.
As I understand the world, we are all human beings first and anything else thereafter. This gives us the right to participate and cooperate with each other in order to make our world a better place. The only way we can make our world a peaceful, progressive and prosperous place is by talking to each other about our differences that cause wars between us which ruin lives of all of us. It is therefore necessary that we see the problems we have with each others beliefs and actions and solve them peacefully by pointing out the likely causes of problems and the possible or likely solutions.
We must find common standard of behaviour that is acceptable to all of us equally on the basis of fairness and equality and follow it regardless it is godsent or manmade. We cannot afford to be exclusive so we must find a way that is inclusive. Living in peace is otherwise impossible because our beliefs and actions affect each other regardless we want them to be so or not. Only by informing each other about what is happening to us due to each other we may be able to learn that the way we see and do things perhaps is not the way things should be. By keep doing the things the very same way we will always end up suffering the very same consequences. To change the outcome for the better, we must make changes in our beliefs and actions that would produce the desired and acceptable outcome. This is what all discussions and debates should be about ie pointing out bad beliefs and actions of each other and offering better ideas and practices so that we all could end up living in peace with each other and make progress and prosper.
Regards and all the best.
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*Originally posted by laeeqkhan: *
Let those who have not known the truth come and participate. Maybe not today, tomorrow or at some point in their life they might realize the truth of Islam. If they speak ill of Islam and come here to just throw in garbage, they are only portraying their marvellous background, upbringing and way of thinking. Welcome guys....Most Welcome :)
We as Muslims have a duty. At all odds our duty is to first learn, correct ourselves, pray for guidance and spread the light. May Allah help us and guide us.
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Ameen :)
There are lot of things in Islam which confuses the minds of non-muslims like
There are detailed explanations available, which are easy to comprehend for an avg. mind. But still some ppl dont give any heed to them and chose to mock Islam.
We believe Quran is word of Allah and commands in it are absolute and final. We muslims can not dare to deny them. Our knowledge and understanding is limited and porn to errors.
Non- muslims are free to believe what they want or what they like.
According to the teachings of Prophet Muhammad:saw: : Muslims should always respect other people’s beleifs and places of worship. And most of the muslims follow these teachings
from the same site that u have quoted…
for ease of the people, here is the direct link…
http://www.prophetmuhammed.org/Relations/Wives.asp#15S
show me where he slept with her before the marriage…
and if he justified his sleeping with her based on the verse, why did he marry her???
useless accusations…
no thinking, just come blabbering with whatever u collect from anti-islamic sites… :rolleyes:
A great religion has nothing to fear from "meddling". A great religion stands up to challenges, introspection, critique and inquiry.
To me there is nothing wrong with Islam. There are those who use Islam, misinterpret Islam, fail to interpret Islam, and bend Islam towards ill pupose. Islam will survive the brightest light of day, and will survive critical analysis, as well as pettiness. The danger today to Islam is misguided individuals who taint an entire religion, not critics from the outside.
laeeqkhan, well put.
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A great religion has nothing to fear from "meddling". A great religion stands up to challenges, introspection, critique and inquiry.
To me there is nothing wrong with Islam. There are those who use Islam, misinterpret Islam, fail to interpret Islam, and bend Islam towards ill pupose. Islam will survive the brightest light of day, and will survive critical analysis, as well as pettiness. The danger today to Islam is misguided individuals who taint an entire religion, not critics from the outside.
laeeqkhan, well put.
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No the problem with america and in particular the right wing governments is that they, do not want islam to be seen as a political ideology they want it to be restricted to some rituals and some charities.
Unfortunatly for them islam is 90% political because islam has a say on every action in life be it in the economic field to the social system.
Any muslim who calls for islam to be implemented as a complete system is labelled terrorist automatically by the american and british regimes.
as for meddling in muslim affairs if the West doesnt meddle we have no issue with them, but as history shows they just cant keep out so the problem is clearly with them!
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*Originally posted by Ohioguy: *
A great religion has nothing to fear from "meddling". A great religion stands up to challenges, introspection, critique and inquiry.
To me there is nothing wrong with Islam. There are those who use Islam, misinterpret Islam, fail to interpret Islam, and bend Islam towards ill pupose. Islam will survive the brightest light of day, and will survive critical analysis, as well as pettiness. The danger today to Islam is misguided individuals who taint an entire religion, not critics from the outside.
laeeqkhan, well put.
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All very nice in theory but answer this. Who are you to decide whether some are misinterpreting Islam? Do you claim to be some sort of Islamic scholar? Very convenient to label aspects that you don't agree with as misinterpretations. So please don't talk about matters in which you have no authority.
"Who are you to decide whether some are misinterpreting Islam?"
Plain as the nose on your face.
Is screaming "Allahu Akbar" then decapitating a man OK? Doesn't that sort of imply a linkage between Islam and the act in the murderers mind?
To some, pointing out the ills of radical Islam is a slap in the face of Islam. It is certainly not meant that way. Americans who comment on this fully understand the difference between a religion, and the actions of individuals. But when the relgion is used as justification for murder, then Islam gets dragged into the debate.
Because Islam has a political side, the debate is pertinent.
Frankly I had no interest in Islam until 9/11. It was strictly live and let live. This debate was brought to my door.
Non Muslims usually do not interfere when someone opens a thread to discuss a verse of holy Quran or to discuss some important issues or to clear doubts of religion Islam. It is a fact.
When they discuss politics under the disguise of religion Islam, it gives a chance to non Muslims. In such discussion Muslims find no patience to argue and look offended.
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"Who are you to decide whether some are misinterpreting Islam?"
Plain as the nose on your face.
Is screaming "Allahu Akbar" then decapitating a man OK? Doesn't that sort of imply a linkage between Islam and the act in the murderers mind?
To some, pointing out the ills of radical Islam is a slap in the face of Islam. It is certainly not meant that way. Americans who comment on this fully understand the difference between a religion, and the actions of individuals. But when the relgion is used as justification for murder, then Islam gets dragged into the debate.
Because Islam has a political side, the debate is pertinent.
Frankly I had no interest in Islam until 9/11. It was strictly live and let live. This debate was brought to my door.
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Again we are back to square one. Do you know the man who shouts Allah Hu Akbar and then decapitates? Do you claim to understand whatever motivation he might have had (whether it be right or wrong)? You say that provides a link to Islam, simply by association? What about sexual child molestation by scores of priests around the country, is that radical Christianity?
Personally, I find the carpet bombing of civilian areas of Iraq and Afghanistan far more disturbing than the insane act of one individual. However these issues are conveniently swept underneath the rug while there is so much commotion about the decapitation of a single American. Smells like double standard to me.
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Again we are back to square one. Do you know the man who shouts Allah Hu Akbar and then decapitates? Do you claim to understand whatever motivation he might have had (whether it be right or wrong)? You say that provides a link to Islam, simply by association? What about sexual child molestation by scores of priests around the country, is that radical Christianity?
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Do priests shout "God is great", film the act and threaten people? I don't they or anyone else will tell you that molestation is ordained by their God or scripture. You are not comparing apples to apples. These terrorists are the ones who are invoking religion and Allah as their reasoning for decapitation - not OG, the west or the press.
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Personally, I find the carpet bombing of civilian areas of Iraq and Afghanistan far more disturbing than the insane act of one individual. However these issues are conveniently swept underneath the rug while there is so much commotion about the decapitation of a single American. Smells like double standard to me.
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Carpet bombing of civilian areas? Give me a break. I think what you are really smelling is the stale attempt to sweep the pervasive, radical interpretation of Islam that is sweeping the ME. There are only two possibilities - these creeps are misinterpreting Islam or Islam allows this type of terrorism.
Smell if you must.
If a Christian videotaped the murder of an innocent and said "Praise Jesus", I would be equally shocked and concerned for the Christian religion. If a Christian concocted some tangental reason why the innocent was not innocent, I would be equally concerned. If there was the INTENTIONAL slaughter of innocents around the world in the name of my religion I would be equally concerned.
I did not bring religion into this. OBL issued a Fatwa, a relgious edict, that no one in the Muslim world renounced, mandating the murder of Americans and Jews world-wide. Do not then wonder why Islam is in the spotlight today.
The only reason we are interested in "meddling" in Islam, is that Islam has a political message. I did not make it this way. But it now effects me.
seriously...if Islam includes political system and governance as claimed by muslims themselves then everyone and anyone who could be a subject of this political and governace system has every right and reason to talk about politics inherent to Islam. every religion have a political idealogy and let me say at the time of origination of every religion it was as much religion as politicaly idealogy. but followers of most religions don't claim with every breath that the political system of their religion is supereme, only good one and every other one is abrogated and hence should be implemented and imposed on everyone else too.
As a non muslim I have no problem but respect for following Islamic institutions: Namaz, hajj, Zakat, Fasting etc...I have no right and no reason to argue with a muslim on how and why he should peform namaz or should he go to hajj or not. But I giving acceptance and reason to concepts of Jihad, Ummah, Sharia etc will be being naive and suicidal. The world view of Jihad, Ummah and Sharia have no place, for me in it then why should I accept it lying? These are political concepts and institutions don't ask me to bow before them. as I said you want to perform namaz..I will spread the masalla for you...you want a ride for the hajj..be my guest...I will drive you to the airport for free.:) you want fasting...may be I should join you...God knows I need some seriously.:)
LOL what a joke, try explaining that to the hundreds of thousands of widows and orphans and the parents of the children that were killed. I guess evidence like the footage/pictures/hospitals that shows is probably fake huh 
Unless you and the US lose that sort of attitude I am afraid a single decapitation is the least of your worries, as evidenced by so called terrorists taking things in their own hands all over the ME.
As for priests, well ummm correct me if I am wrong but they are representatives of your religion unlike some average schmuck off the street. If they can’t be held accountable than who can?
So I guess you guys have never heard of white supremacists? Or maybe forgotten the Oklahoma bombings? Yeah apart from that, priests who can’t keep it in their pants and lastly not to mention that the values that Christianity promote have no bearing whatsoever on society and the mass media, Christianity is in real good shape
As far as OBL goes, it’s a free world. He expressed his opinion, now you expect all the Islamic leaders to kill/stop all Muslims from following it? LOL, I thought you were against dictatorship and pro democracy. You constantly want condemnation from Muslim leaders and you want them to renounce all this that is going on. Why should they? How many times have the US and Isreal done that?
And just between you and me, I think the Americans and Jews have and are dishing out much more than they are recieving.
Warning in this thread is now a joke. Muslims have already entered the trap.
In my friendly discussions I have seen that it is very easy to offend a muslim and a communist. If a Muslim cannot stand the discussion he calls you a Kafir and leaves, and so a communist when fails to argue calls you a bourgeois and leaves.