Dear Guppies,
Mashallah my younger brother will finish his MBBS in March 2010. We are planning to shift him to UK as the training and money is better here. I work in a hospital in the UK but as a domestic. So I see alot of asian doctors there. Most of them give bad advice of not bringing my brother here! I think they dont want more of their own coming here and having good life like them!
So please can anyone get in touch with me if they have any information on this matter.
Jazak Allah.
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^It's not that. How would your brother be coming over? I work visa I guess? That's the problem, they just aren't handing out work visas to foreign doctors, especially not for the training years. In general the way they work are brisith jobs for british doctors first, then EU doctors and then lastly foreign graduates. Even if you are a british citizen but qualified abroad, you will have a problem.
However, that's not to say they can't get jobs, just not through the work visa route. If you come to the UK as a spouse there is nothing stopping you taking the PLAB exams and applying for posts. Quite a few people I know have done this in recent years and it takes them a while 1-2 years but they get a post eventually. Even spouses of engineers on work visas have managed it - one last year and a second is taking her PLAB at the moment.
I don't see the route in which you will bring him to the UK?
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Thank you brother, you cleared alot of things. I know the UK is not being fair on visa issues. I was facing huge problems myself but managed to find a way to stay here. I thought, they were short of doctors here!? what is a training and non training job? they are both in hospital right? and payed the same?
I will be bringing him on a marriage visa if he cant get highly skilled visa?? This is the easiest way to stay in the uk right now.
your help is greatly appreciated!!!!
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sister :)
I don't think it's a matter of fairness. If there are limited positions the country has a duty towards its own citizen's first. Work Visa quotas are based on what the country's requirements and at the moment they claim to not require doctors. Yes there is a shortage of doctors in the general sense but that's because the government just has not created enough posts, there is no shortage of posts being filled. Many UK graduates are actually going abroad where they have more choice.
Once a student graduates he/she has to undergo 2 foundation training years (junior house officer) called F1 and F2. There are absolutely no Work Visas given out for these training years.
If he wants to come here for F1 or F2 he needs to find an alternative way but this isn't something you just 'do'.
My husband is finishing his degree in Pakistan and coming here early next year. We are fully prepared that it will take him months to complete all the required exams. After that if he can't find an unfilled F1 post to fill he will have to apply along with the UK graduates for 2011 F1 posts. It will be incredibly competitive and there is no guarantee he will get a place. Alhumdulillah, I can support us both for that period of time. If it doesn't work out we are prepared to emigrate.
It's okay for the wives I know that have come over as they are the secondary breadwinner. But for the husbands in these situations, it's been very very hard. Most of them want to go back after a year of no luck and get very depressed. You really need to be committed, persevere and have a spouse that will stick by you. I'm not exactly jumping with joy at the thought of the next two years but i'A it will work out some way or other.
Have you thought of trying America or Australia instead?
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Thank you Sister!
I have been speaking to one consultant, he is a muslim brother and very nice. He is incharge of some kind of employment for junior doctors. He tells me that pakistani graduate knows more and has more experiance than graduates from here. So he adviced us to skip the JHO year.
We know he has to register with GMC and plab exam which will take 2-4 months. Inshallah my brother will be ready to apply by June/July. I have spoken to the consultant and he has told me he will try and keep aside a job for my brother starting August next year. Inshallah we will get him a SHO job here.
Alot of his class fellows are coming here to do jobs as well. They pay the doctors very well here mashallah! anything from £4000 - £10000 per month!!! Australia pay is not very good and is very far from everywhere. USA is very hard to get a job. my brother has done research and we are confident he will get job soon. I see asian doctors in hospital everyday!
May Allah let everyone get a good job here. we deserve it! hard work always pays off!
Salam.
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well, i hope it works out for him, i'A.
as far as i know those that come from pakistan and get SHO posts do have at least a year of clinical experience. i will agree that doctors in pak are required to do more book learning but their clinical skills often lack as a new graduates and many have problems passing plab 2, without having worked in the hospital. i'A this won't be the case for your brother or my husband :)
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i read in newsweek last year that there is overflow of mbbs doc in uk,nd they are not given wht they deserve
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I dont think there is overflow! At least that is not what the doctors at the hospital i work say! It is true that pakistanis are unfairly treated and not given jobs at the same competition levels which is discrimination. But there are good faith pakistani doctors at senior levels who prefer pakistanis. so inshallah there is good chace!!
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a lot of it is just propaganda to stop people from trying to come here.
i was in hospital in june and everyone i spoke (nurses, junior docs, consultants) told me not to worry and that my husband will surely get a job once he has registration, as many others currently are.
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Exactly!! We would like my brother to get a job in the London area but at the end of the day he can go even to wales after the job! But inshallah both my brother, ur husband or any other pakistanis get good jobs in the Uk Ameen.
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as a spouse to a doctor qualified in Pak and moved to UK. the only recent change that effect the foreign qualified doctors, is the training part and work permit who requires it. previously it was easy for other national to get training post and also work visa as it was in proffered category of professions. This is not the case anymore. they have to go through the same process for visa as other professions now. meaning first UK then EU and then rest of the world preference in visa system.
but doctors who have valid visa to stay(ie a spouse of british citizen or person who is on work visa already, or high skilled visa holder category) and work here will be same in competing with EU and UK doctors , it all down to skills and interview results mostly.
I also tend to differ with stoppit here, I guess the practical part is more common in Pakistan and they get more chances to practice in hospitals compared to doctors here , the only difference here how they approach the patients and consultation part which is non existent in Pak, as doctor take step without much consultation with patient. here are bit more laws and protocols to follow. which some doctors find hard to follow. it also depends where in pak they has post graduate experience.
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Amour - that's good to know. This sort of knowledge makes me optimistic. Last year I was really stressed thinking that he may never get a job.
I do agree with your last paragraph too. I mainly meant what you have described because as you know dealing with patients is a big part of what students learn in the British system. But also, I have seen that many MBBS students in Pak can get away with not attending a lot of wards in their final year and still pass as long as they attend the ward exam and do well in finals. Hence a lot of newly qualified doctors seem to have less experience dealing with real patients. Since I was a child, we've had many, many new doctors stay with us while they tried to pass the exams. It was always the ones that had the best exam results that struggled most with the clincal assessment side of the PLAB. That's just my experience.
So, that's why I'm worried for my husband and anyone else who comes straight after the MBBS - there is no postgraduate experience.