Maulvi Umer reported killed in Bajaur operation

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Hopefully he is dead…

Maulvi Umer reported killed in Bajaur operation

Maulvi Umer reported killed in Bajaur operation
Updated at: 1910 PST, Saturday, October 25, 2008
BAJAUR AGENCY: Maulvi Umer, an important leader of banned outfit Tehreek-i-Taliban is reported to have been killed as a result of air strikes carried out by the security forces in Bajaur Agency, FATA on Saturday.

According to sources, the Tehreek-i-Taliban leader killed in Bajaur Action could be Maulvi Umer.

The Tehreek�s key leader was killed in an air strike in Badano area, sources added.

The air strikes launched by the security forces destroyed a cave, where Maulvi Umer might have been present.

The sources further say that Tehreek-i-Taliban leader Maulvi Umer went missing after the air strikes.

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no relation to Mullah Umer right?

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NOTE: Shamraz please provide your opinion about the news, what you want to discuss, being here for sometime you'd know we are not here for "sharing news".

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I hope he is dead...

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He is an enemy of the state and as such his demise should be welcome. But we should also hope that Allah almighty can forgive him his sins and grant his paradise too. He made mistakes, he did wrong, but only Allah can judge a man's heart. We can just judge a man's external actions.

Timepass-July 2012
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Confusion?

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ofcourse God should forgive everyone. after all he can pardon or reprieve anyone, right? its written in the constitution of the heaven.

I hate this kind of mentality. what is the point of life after death if everyone will be forgiven. we migt as well commit sins and then ask for Allah's forgiveness.

no, they are not the same person. Molvi umar was the spokesman for the taliban here. he was not the one eyed man who was "king" of afghanistan/

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Allah forgives sins that are between a person and his God. But Allah does not forgive sins that are committed against innocent others, that includes animals as well as human of any religion (unless those are committed without intention or due to accident). Exceptions are people who were living in ignorance and realised their ignorance before death, changed themselves, felt remorse on their past actions, tried to amend their wrongs, and accepted guidance (Islam).

A Kafir, who denies Allah (worse of all sins towards Allah), could expect forgiveness from Allah on judgment day, as in the end, that kafir is still creation of Allah and Allah is most forgiving, most merciful. But a Muslim who fulfils all his duties towards Allah (Ibadah) could not find forgiveness if that Muslim due to his preaching and actions, harmed other human being intentionally, willingly and wrongly. Reason is simple, that is, on the day of judgment only those would forgive who are wronged, and since humans are not all-forgiving it is unlikely that they would forgive, even if they are parents, siblings, wife or children ... on the other hand, since Allah is most forgiving, Allah could (and most likely would) forgive any sin towards him, however severe.

One should remember that, even if Allah has said that a person would be in hell forever because of any particular sin, they could get forgiveness and would not get punished, as all punishments due to sins are conditional, and the condition is that the party (Allah or his creations) against whom a sin is done, however severe, did not forgive.

Now think about Maulvi Umar, thugs of Al-quaida, Taliban, and similar others. What they do and why people hate them? Do people hate them because they are not fulfilling their duties towards Allah or because they are harming lives and properties of other human beings intentionally, willingly, and wrongly, with their preaching and actions? These people harmed innocent others, even killed and maimed them, and I doubt their victims would ever forgive them.

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Nice opinion, full of good wishes. :)

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I agree :k: … Allah can forgive violators/ignorants (hope I am using right word) of “haqooq-ullah” (Allah’s rights, “fard” on Muslims) but Allah will not forgive violators of “haqooq-ulIbaad” (Human/creation’s rights) only human/creations will have the right to forgive that part.

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The intercession of our Prophet, the Master of all creations, is for all who have iman. We can hate the actions of these guys, but do have any doubt that so long as he died on iman, he may benefit from the glory of our Prophet's infinite capacity to love and seek forgiveness for the ummah who follow them is, atleast to my mind, a bigger concern on the galactic scale.

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No. I hate the actions of the radicals, sometimes I get infuriated at them, but to hate the man is another issue. On the dunya I may despise his actions, but so long as he had iman on our Prophet at his time of death, I can only hope his afterlife is a decent one.

Islam is the faith of love, and forgiveness. Our Prophet the Prophet of mercy and good will. Let us too strive to follow those ideals.

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Baitullah's brother shot dead

Source: OUR STAFF REPORTER submitted 4 hours 47 minutes ago
BANNU - Police recovered the body of Baitullah Mehsud’s younger brother, Yahya Mehsud, riddled with bullets here in Domail area on Sunday. Some persons informed the police about the body in Nala Kasho area. The police reached there and handed over the body to Mehsuf family after identification.
The family of Baitullah Mehsud shifted the body to Daud Shah but upon the proposal of Baitullah, it was again shifted to South Waziristan for burial. The deceased Yahya Mehsud was the father of two sons and a daughter. AFP adds: Yahya bin Haroon was abducted by armed men from his hometown in Bannu early morning and his bullet-ridden body was later found dumped in a roadside drain, senior police officer Mohammad Alam Shinwari told AFP.
He received five bullets to his head and back, the officer said.
Police later identified the slain man as the brother of Mehsud, who leads the country’s umbrella Taliban organisation, Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), Shinwari said.
The reason for the murder was not immediately clear, he said. Residents said Yahya, 35, was not involved in Taliban activities and people opposed to Mehsud may be involved in the killing of his brother.

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Lets not waste our prayers/hopes for people who do wrong to our nation and country, we have people who pray for Taliban/AlQaida too.

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One dead, many more to go.

In anycase, no one is crying except Jihadis and their sympathizers.

Khs kum jahan pak

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I am just saying we should not wish a bad afterlife on anyone. No one hates Islamism more then me, but any beef we have is only within context of this world.

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Brother, these people are zalims, and zalims are people of hell. A person to whom message of Islam has reached, and they know Islam, still believe and preach Kufur like suicide and killing of innocents, and spread fitna in this world by killing and creating mayhem, their end has to be in hell.

There is no doubt about intercession of Prophet (SAW). Anyhow, I think that many Muslims have misunderstood the condition of intercession. Just like Brahmans think that they are next to God, Jews think that they are chosen people, and Christians think that mere believe on Jesus would give them salvation, Shaitan in similar way has made some Muslims believe that just because they are Muslim, Prophet (SAW) would do intercession for them and they would go to heaven.

On the other hand, Prophet (SAW) is most close to Allah than any of his creations, and would not do anything that Allah may not like. Allah has clearly said in Quran that intercession would be with permission and no doubt that Prophet (SAW) would have unrestrictive permission, thus if he would intercede for anyone, they would get forgiven and their victims would get compensated by Allah. So, obviously Prophet (SAW) would not intercede for Zalims and Fitna creators.

Allah has promised his creation that he would do justice to all on judgment day. That means, all who are harmed would get their revenge, unless they themselves forgive or are justly compensated. No Muslim does any favour on Prophet (SAW) by being Muslim, as religion Islam is not religion of Prophet (SAW) but religion of Allah, and Prophet (SAW) was a messenger of Allah. So, doing intercession for people Prophet (SAW) do not have any personal relation other than they believe on him as Prophet would be ridiculous.

Thus, Prophet (SAW) would do intercession for only those who are close to him with his person. Such people could be close because they are from his own blood, and others who may not be from his blood but have developed relationship of spiritual closeness with Prophet (SAW). That is why many pious Muslims try to develop that spiritual relationship with Prophet (SAW) by their immense love and respect, and sending darud and salaam on Prophet (SAW) vigorously and regularly, so that they qualify for that intercession. These people also make sure that they do not harm creation of Allah intentionally and unnecessarily, as those who harm other creations of Allah intentionally and unnecessarily are Zalims and Zalim could never develop any spiritual relationship with Prophet (SAW), as person (Zaat) of Prophet (SAW) was Rahmat, who oppose all sort of Zulum and Fitna.

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Very well said, Br. Sa1eem. We may have our differences, but i agree with you today.

May Allah (swt) make us and other believers of those who are worthy of forgiveness.