Massage (Malish) to GET Pregnant

Hi there people.

I know a friend of mine, she said to me she knows an aunty whi lives nearby who is 80 years old! she does malish, massage to the woman who cannot concieve, now the friend of mine said there are two ladies who she knows, one who couldnt get pregnant for 12 years she got pregnant by that malish. and the other lady who couldnt get preg for 6 an half years she got pregnant.
i asked her wht does she do, does she do jadu or does she use sum duas.
but my friend said she does malish and the uterus is moved in order for the woman to conceive.!!!
So weard, but it sounds reallly weard that 80 year old woman is quite active. now i want to go n just SEE her and dont wana do this. what u guys thinkm hav u guys experenced this and hav u heard about this??? pleaasee share…

btw i am tryin to concive since 3 years now.
take carebyeeeeeeee

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I have never heard about any kind of maalish for women to get pregnant. I dont know. it might work or might not.
Women get maalish done after the delivery normally..

U can talk to someone who got pregnant thru this maalish thing, if she suggests then I guess there's no harm in getting maalish done. :)

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yeah the maalish after delivery is so good, i was lucky to have a pakistani lady come to me twice to do maalish and also did facial on me, it was so goooood, i would recommend maalish after delivery, but dont know about it for concieving.

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it is possible if it does something to blood flow. There are studies on accupuncture's positive impact on conception, implantation to be more specific.

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^which studies are those?

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google it, I did not keep notes
I did not know you were ain obgyn btw

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here are a couple that I found, there are other studies that have different views as well.

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By Sharon Worcester
SAN FRANCISCO (EGMN) – Laser acupuncture before and after embryo transfer significantly improved implantation rates in a randomized, placebo-controlled, multiarm trial of in vitro fertilization.

In 1,000 women undergoing in vitro fertilization (IVF) who were randomized to receive either laser acupuncture (using a low-power laser that provided the equivalent of 5 J/cm2), traditional needle acupuncture, laser sham acupuncture, relaxation therapy, or no treatment, the…

Acupuncture And Success Of IVF

“Acupuncture can increase the chances of getting pregnant for women undergoing fertility treatment by 65%,” according to The Guardian’s news pages.

The Times, The Daily Telegraph and BBC News covered the story and quoted Edward Ernst, a professor of complementary medicine, who cautioned that the effect might be due to a placebo effect caused by the women expecting acupuncture to work. He said that the expectation might cause them to relax which would improve pregnancy rates.

The study behind this story is a systematic review which combined the results of “high quality” studies on acupuncture, rates of pregnancy and live birth in women undergoing in vitro fertilisation (IVF). Although the methods used by this study are robust, some possible biases cannot be ruled out. Studies that have negative results are less likely to be published and may therefore not have been included.

When interpreting the 65% increase in pregnancy rates, it should be remembered that the differences in pregnancy rates were quite small. The results actually mean that in order to achieve one additional successful pregnancy, 10 women would need to be treated with acupuncture. The cost associated with lack of effect for the other nine women is something to be considered by individuals and health care providers.

Finally, the study found that the additional benefit of acupuncture depended on how successful IVF was overall. Where pregnancy rates were high, acupuncture had little benefit.

Where did the story come from?

Dr Eric Manheimer, Grant Zhang, Laurence Udoff and colleagues from the University of Maryland School of Medicine, Georgetown University School of Medicine, Washington and the University of Amsterdam, Holland carried out the research.

Funding was provided by the National Centre for Complimentary and Alternative Medicine of the US National Institutes of Health. The study was published in the peer-reviewed: British Medical Journal.

What kind of scientific study was this?

The study was a systematic review of randomised controlled trials that compared needle acupuncture given within one day of women receiving IVF with sham (fake) treatment or no treatment at all. The researchers searched for published literature in databases and conference proceedings for studies that compared acupuncture given within one day of IVF treatment versus sham acupuncture (or no treatment). They assessed the quality of 108 potentially relevant studies they found, and of these, included seven trials in their analysis.

Only studies in which pregnancy had been confirmed (either by presence of gestational sac or heartbeat on ultrasound), ongoing pregnancy beyond 12 weeks gestation (confirmed through ultrasound), or a live birth, were included. The researchers also only included studies in which acupuncture needles were inserted into traditional meridian points (groups of points thought to have an effect upon a particular body part).

The researchers used meta-analysis (a statistical technique) to pool the studies. They were particularly interested in the difference in rates of pregnancy between women who received acupuncture and those who did not.

What were the results of the study?

The seven studies that the researchers included in their analysis were all randomised controlled trials. In six of the studies, an acupuncture session was given just before the fertilised embryo was implanted back into the mother and another straight after. One trial involved acupuncture only after implantation. Two studies gave a third session during different phases of the process.

The authors reported that IVF with acupuncture increased the odds of pregnancy by 65% (according to early evidence on ultrasound), increased the odds of ongoing pregnancy by 87% (according to ultrasound evidence of pregnancy at 12 weeks) and increased the odds of a live birth by 91% compared with IVF on its own.

When the researchers only looked at the three studies that showed similar rates of pregnancy to women in the UK, they found that acupuncture did not increase rates of pregnancy with IVF.

What interpretations did the researchers draw from these results?

The researchers conclude that their results suggest that acupuncture given with embryo transfer, improves rates of pregnancy and live birth in women who are undergoing in vitro fertilisation.

What does the NHS Knowledge Service make of this study?

  • In four of the seven studies that were included, the women knew which treatment they were receiving (while in the other three the comparison was sham acupuncture). The researchers say that the placebo effect (i.e. where believing in the effect of the treatment affects the outcome whether or not treatment is received) is unlikely to have had any effect in this study because the “outcomes are entirely objective (i.e. pregnancy and births)”. However, as mentioned in some newspapers, other researchers have said that it is possible that if women expect the treatment to be helpful then they may be more relaxed and this in turn could affect pregnancy rates.

  • The researchers say that their findings are significant and clinically relevant, though they are “somewhat preliminary”. They conclude by saying that the effectiveness of acupuncture depends on the previous rate of pregnancy in the population. They call for further research to investigate the relationship between the previous (baseline) rate of pregnancy and the effect of acupuncture. When they limited their analysis to studies that had the highest baseline rates of pregnancy, there was no significant effect of acupuncture on pregnancy success. The fact that the baseline rates of pregnancy varied across the studies is a weakness of the review.

  • The reviewers also say that publication bias may have affected their results, despite their best efforts to ensure this was not the case. They cannot rule out that there were small studies with negative results that have not been published and therefore not included.

  • The use of “odds ratios” to reflect the comparison is questionable. The authors themselves say that the odds ratio “significantly over-estimates the rate ratio” because the outcome of pregnancy is relatively frequent. A better reflection of the absolute benefit is to consider that these results mean that 10 women will need to be treated with acupuncture for there to be an extra successful pregnancy. In the other nine women, there would be no additional benefit. It is also worth noting that confirmed pregnancy rates were not very different between acupuncture and non-acupuncture groups in real terms (32% v. 27%). Presenting the results in these terms gives them a little more context.

The results of this review suggest that acupuncture has a positive effect of pregnancy rates when given with IVF. An interpretation of the 65% benefit quoted by the papers must be considered in light of the fact that they represent relatively small absolute benefits considering that the rates of pregnancy in the non-acupuncture groups were high.

Links to the headlines

Acupuncture after IVF ‘could boost pregnancy’. The Daily Telegraph, February 08 2008
Acupuncture during IVF boosts a woman’s chance of conceiving by 65 per cent. Daily Mail, February 08 2008
Acupuncture ‘boosts IVF chances’. BBC News, February 08 2008

Links to the science

Effects of acupuncture on rates of pregnancy and live birth among women undergoing in vitro fertilisation: systematic review and meta-analysis.
Manheimer E, Zhang G, Udoff L, et al.
BMJ 2008; Feb 7

This news comes from NHS Choices

Effects of acupuncture on rates of pregnancy and live birth among women undergoing in vitro fertilisation: systematic review and meta-analysis – Manheimer et al., 10.1136/bmj.39471.430451.BE – BMJ

Effects of acupuncture on rates of pregnancy and live birth among women undergoing in vitro fertilisation: systematic review and meta-analysis
Eric Manheimer, research associate1, Grant Zhang, assistant professor1, Laurence Udoff, assistant professor2, Aviad Haramati, professor3, Patricia Langenberg, professor and vice-chair4, Brian M Berman, professor1, Lex M Bouter, professor and vice chancellor (rector magnificus)5

1 Center for Integrative Medicine, University of Maryland School of Medicine, 2200 Kernan Drive, Kernan Hospital Mansion, Baltimore, MD 21207, USA, 2 Department of Obstetrics, Gynecology and Reproductive Services, University of Maryland School of Medicine, 3 Department of Physiology and Biophysics and Medicine, Georgetown University School of Medicine, Washington, DC, 4 Department of Epidemiology and Preventive Medicine, University of Maryland School of Medicine, 5 VU University Amsterdam De Boelelaan 1105, 1081 HV Amsterdam, the Netherlands

Correspondence to: E Manheimer [email protected]

Objective To evaluate whether acupuncture improves rates of pregnancy and live birth when used as an adjuvant treatment to embryo transfer in women undergoing in vitro fertilisation.
Design Systematic review and meta-analysis.

Data sources Medline, Cochrane Central, Embase, Chinese Biomedical Database, hand searched abstracts, and reference lists.

Review methods Eligible studies were randomised controlled trials that compared needle acupuncture administered within one day of embryo transfer with sham acupuncture or no adjuvant treatment, with reported outcomes of at least one of clinical pregnancy, ongoing pregnancy, or live birth. Two reviewers independently agreed on eligibility; assessed methodological quality; and extracted outcome data. For all trials, investigators contributed additional data not included in the original publication (such as live births). Meta-analyses included all randomised patients.

Data synthesis Seven trials with 1366 women undergoing in vitro fertilisation were included in the meta-analyses. There was little clinical heterogeneity. Trials with sham acupuncture and no adjuvant treatment as controls were pooled for the primary analysis. Complementing the embryo transfer process with acupuncture was associated with significant and clinically relevant improvements in clinical pregnancy (odds ratio 1.65, 95% confidence interval 1.27 to 2.14; number needed to treat (NNT) 10 (7 to 17); seven trials), ongoing pregnancy (1.87, 1.40 to 2.49; NNT 9 (6 to 15); five trials), and live birth (1.91, 1.39 to 2.64; NNT 9 (6 to 17); four trials). Because we were unable to obtain outcome data on live births for three of the included trials, the pooled odds ratio for clinical pregnancy more accurately represents the true combined effect from these trials rather than the odds ratio for live birth. The results were robust to sensitivity analyses on study validity variables. A prespecified subgroup analysis restricted to the three trials with the higher rates of clinical pregnancy in the control group, however, suggested a smaller non-significant benefit of acupuncture (odds ratio 1.24, 0.86 to 1.77).

Conclusions Current preliminary evidence suggests that acupuncture given with embryo transfer improves rates of pregnancy and live birth among women undergoing in vitro fertilisation

Re: Massage (Malish) to GET Pregnant

nazia, if there are no hormonal issues or other known and typical issues, then I don’t think there would be anything wrong in getting a maalish…just make sure she doesn’t shift the uterus way off :bummer:

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if it dunn help it wont hurt unless the lady messes something up :D

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well if nicole kidman can get pregnant after having a swim in the austrailian lake,then anything is possible:@:

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must be mermen

if i was ongyn , i wud have known about these studies

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Superstitions....Desi People will never change no matter they be in UK,,Canada and USA...i have seen advertistments where these Babas and Mais promise sons to pregnant moms etc etc.........
Get conceived and have a baby son bla bla....... they claim they have duas (Magic Spells) we have massages , taweez...cords....what not.....so many fallacies.

heh yeah, what is your specialty anyways?

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Naazia if all the tests have come back normal for you and you haven't conceived in 3 years look at other things. Like your diets( e.g. high levels of mercury in blood can have adverse effects) environment, also your emotinal status and stress levels. Inshallah that will help.

nephrology

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so you are kidney brother :hmmm:

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The uterus CAN move and its position CAN change. As others have pointed out, the massage most likely also helps bloodflow to the area.

well thanks guys, i also searched on internet, and this is what i found

Maya Abdominal Massage - The Arvigo Techniques

its called arvigo massage, it sounds quite good, cos i hav read reviews. hey i migt do it then!!