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I see implementation of a governor raj fared well.
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Who is the founder of these all ?
Quetta blast victims’ death toll mounts to 79, over 190 injured [SamaaTV]](http://hamariweb.com/enews/samaatv_rs1.aspx) 17 Feb, 2013
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Is the Pakistani Army going to anything against these terrorist groups LeJ and LeT?
Or turn a blind eye to them because they are involved in the jihad against India?
LEJ is a pure sectarian outfit, it has got nothing to do with war in Afghanistan or Kashmir. These guys have been fighting out with Shia sectarian groups since 80s, but the difference these days is that the attacks are one sided now.
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LEJ is a pure sectarian outfit, it has got nothing to do with war in Afghanistan or Kashmir. These guys have been fighting out with Shia sectarian groups since 80s, but the difference these days is that the attacks are one sided now.
when you said one sided attacks these days, do you mean in past there were some Shia outfits who were killing innocent civilians indiscriminately bombing gatherings at public places, bombing people performing their day-to-day activities, bombing market places, bombing mosques and religious gatherings indiscriminately?
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when you said one sided attacks these days, do you mean in past there were some Shia outfits who were killing innocent civilians indiscriminately bombing gathering at public places, bombing markets, bombing mosques and religious gatherings?
In 80's and 90's (it was a two way traffic), but during the past 10 years it has become a one way scene.
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In 80's and 90's (it was a two way traffic), but during the past 10 years it has become a one way scene.
You mean in 80s and 90s Shia outfits were killing masses indiscriminately in markets, mosques, religious gatherings, etc?
It is news for me, because, though I have heard that Shia outfit did target killing of some known Kharjee leaders and spokesmen, but I never heard that Shia outfits ever killed innocent citizen of Pakistan in masses indiscriminately (as what Kharjees do). Actually, what I know, it is only Kharjees who are killing Shias and Sunnis masses throughout Pakistan indiscriminately, and they are doing that since 80s ... and also claim their killings as proud act and jihad-ul-Shaitan ... that to whole Muslim world is known as Fisad.
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Ali_Syed, mistake to label this as a sectarian battle. It is terrorism.
Can you dig a single event from archives of 80's and 90's to prove a Shia attack on general population, i.e. act of terrorism?
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Ali_Syed, mistake to label this as a sectarian battle. It is terrorism. Can you dig a single event from archives of 80's and 90's to prove a Shia attack on general population, i.e. act of terrorism?
At the moment its not sectarianism, its a one way terrorism against Shias.
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You mean in 80s and 90s Shia outfits were killing masses indiscriminately in markets, mosques, religious gatherings, etc?
It is news for me, because I never heard that Shia outfits ever killed innocent citizen of Pakistan in masses indiscriminately (as what Kharjees do). Actually, what I know, it is only Kharjees who are killing Shias and Sunnis masses throughout Pakistan indiscriminately, and they are doing that since 80s ... and also claim their killings as proud act and jihad-ul-Shaitan ... that to whole Muslim word is known as Fisad.
This is not the topic of this thread, but in 80's (in Punjab) there used to be attacks on the mosques of Shias and Sunnis so much so that it became very dangerous to even go pray in the mosques. What we are seeing nowadays is a very dangerous trend.
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sa1eem, LeJ was a sectarian outfit that used to take part in small sectarian fights in Punjab in the early days. Post American Afghan invasion as we got to know Pakistani Taliban for the first time we gradually heard about the TTP and LeJ alliance. Since that time LeJ has grown much bolder, larger and lethal. Heard of a term Punjabi Taliban? that is primarily the LeJ folks. Looks like whoever is behind the TTP game has picked up on LeJ and using them to a good effect for them.
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Ali_Syed, what you are pointing towards may be 30 year old reality. Things have changed far beyond that.
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Ali_Syed, what you are pointing towards may be 30 year old reality. Things have changed far beyond that.
I know...
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sa1eem, LeJ was a sectarian outfit that used to take part in small sectarian fights in Punjab in the early days. Post American Afghan invasion as we got to know Pakistani Taliban for the first time we gradually heard about the TTP and LeJ alliance. Since that time LeJ has grown much bolder, larger and lethal. Heard of a term Punjabi Taliban? that is primarily the LeJ folks. Looks like whoever is behind the TTP game has picked up on LeJ and using them to a good effect for them.
The collaboration between LEJ, Jundullah, JEM, Alqaeda and TTP have now made them a lethal force. Anyways, the FC in Balochistan has completely failed to improve law and order in the province. The only way to rid the province of the menace is by launching an operation against the terrorists.
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This is not the topic of this thread, but in 80's (in Punjab) there used to be attacks on the mosques of Shias and Sunnis so much so that it became very dangerous to even go pray in the mosques. What we are seeing nowadays is a very dangerous trend.
You are right that both Sunnis and Shias are getting targeted in Pakistan (as Hazaras being Shias got targeted in Quetta), and what I know, perpetrators in both attacks were Kharjees and still Kharjees are spreading terrorism for both Shias and Sunnis.
In November I was in Pakistan and I with my brother went to a Mosque (Sunni mosque) for Quran-khawani of someone who died in our area. There were very few people compared to past days, and I was told that most people are scared to attend Quran-khawni in Mosque (rather, many are even scared to pray in Sunni Mosques) because of Kharjee attacks.
But then, Deobandi, Tabeeghi-Jamaat, and Wahabi (Ahle-hadith) mosques are always safe, as Kharjees belong to these sects so they do not attack these mosques.
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You are right that both Sunnis and Shias are getting targeted in Pakistan (as Hazaras being Shias got targeted in Quetta), and what I know, perpetrators in both attacks were Kharjees and still Kharjees are spreading terrorism for both Shias and Sunnis.
In November I was in Pakistan and I with my brother went to a Mosque (Sunni mosque) for Quran-khawani of someone who died in our area. There were very few people compared to past days, and I was told that most people are scared to attend Quran-khawni in Mosque (rather, many are even scared to pray in Sunni Mosques) because of Kharjee attacks.
But then, Deobandi, Tabeeghi-Jamaat, and Wahabi (Ahle-hadith) mosques are always safe, as Kharjees belong to these sects so they do not attack these mosques.
If the monster is not controlled a time comes when it starts eating up its own kids. The same would be the fate of all those who take an apologetic view (and provide justifications) with what ever is transpiring in the country now.
If the violence is not controlled the image of all those sects (and even Islam) from where these terrorists are coming out will be tarnished, and if they try to stop them from carrying out terrorist activities they will become victims. A tough situation for them.
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^^^ You are right. Actually, worse situation may start and that is, indiscriminate retaliation on those who are targeting by those who are target.
[By the way: Someone may ask how to know if mosque is Sunni Mosque or it is Mosque of Wahabi, Tableeghi and Deobandi (something my brother also asked when I was in Pakistan)?
It is simple, that is, if Mosque is Sunni mosque than one would find written ‘ya-Rasul-Allah’ or ‘Ya-Muhammad (SAW)’ and 'Ya-Allah' at places outside and inside mosque, something would be missing in ‘Wahabi and Deobandi’ mosque ... and if there would be written somewhere then it would be just 'Muhammad' or 'Rasul-Allah' and 'Allah' ...]
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^ Instead of retaliation by the attacked sects, I'd like the government to take an action against the terrorists. If this one way killing converts into a full fledge sectarian war, in a very short time we'd become Lebanon (of 80's) and it will not be an ideal place to live.
Having said that I'd salute the Shias for their restraint in the wake of continuous attacks on them. LEJ is trying to provoke them to make this more of a sectarian issue.
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^^^ You are right, provoking them Shias to make this more of a sectarian issue, but it is sectarian issue with one difference, that is, this sectarian issue is not Shia-Sunni issue, but Kharjees against 'Shia and Sunni' issue.
Both Shia and Sunni are tolerating Kharjees because these Kharjees claim they are Muslim and claim that they believe on 'la-ilaha-il-Allah' and that save them from retaliation. Second problem is that Muslims cannot kill masses indiscriminately (men, women and children who are not directly involved in violence) what Kharjees can do. It is these problems Muslims always faced when dealing with Kharjees and their fitna, so instead of retaliation most of the time Muslims suffer.
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Maybe he is the interior minister of islamabad**
Rehman Malik** @SenRehmanMalik](https://twitter.com/SenRehmanMalik)
Pl read the constitution with 18th amendment. Law and order has become 100 percent subject of Provinces after 18th amendment and not of MOI
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