Massacre of Hazaras

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How many LEJ people have been nabbed by the FC, and how many terrorist attacks have been preempted and stopped? The security forces are free to conduct operations anywhere in Balochistan, but they cant carry out operation in Mastung (the HQs of LEJ)? Another question that the Hazara people ask is that how come, the terrorists have been able to carry out attacks near FC checkposts or between checkposts and then still manage to flee??

I feel sorry for the Hazaras, even if the army takes over the killings wont stop. An operation is needed against the perpetrators, as they have become emboldened over the past few years that they can do anything and get away with it.

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Right...My point was, that the FC has been unable/unwilling to stop these terrorists.....the army doesnt fit in. The FC gets its orders from the interior ministry. The orders they get are for limited fightback, which is what has happened in FATA as well. You can post as many soldiers at any place, but those soldiers are never given a free hand. Their presence always comes with caveats. So in essence, these exercises are designed to fail.

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Believe me, most who would read you, would consider you confused person with disoriented mind.

What Islamic fatwa you are talking about? Is fatwa of those who did takfeer on Muslims and fought Ali (RA), or fatwa of Muslims on Kharjees because they use to do takfeer?

What I wrote is nothing to do with what Kuffar agree or what they do not agree. Muslim fatwa on Kharjees is based on Prophet (SAW) saying that when a person calls someone Kafir, either caller is Kafir or called is Kafir.

In Islam confession makes a person Muslim and thus after that no Muslim can call that person Kafir (do takfeer), because after confession only Allah can see what is in heart and can tell if the person is believer or munafiq (who are kafirs confessing to be Muslim). Even Prophet (SAW) never declared anyone Munafiq (or Kafir) who confessed that he is Muslim.

Thus ... when a person calls someone Kafir, then for that caller to be Muslim, his call has to be based on confession of that non-Muslim (called person is actually Kafir from his own confession)… and when a person do takfeer (calls someone Kafir who confesses that he is Muslim) then ‘Caller‘ is Kafir.

As for Pakistan, it has nothing to do with Takfeeries neither Pakistan belongs to Takfeeries. Majority of Pakistanis hate Takfeeries and would love to send them to hell where they belong. So, do not worry about Pakistan.

It seems that you think Persia is handed over to Zoroastrians, shows ignorance on your part, or maybe you think that Shias (most of Persians) are non-Muslims, and if that is the case then you are Takfeerie too, who knows.

Some of your statement in your post is very funny and also kufr. For instance, you commented about me:

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if you are with the army not only is the takfir on you correct but you will have to see Allah about why He made takfir on you.
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According to you, if I am with Pakistan army then not only takfir on me is correct but I will have to see Allah about why he made takfir on me.

It seems you think you are Allah himself or Allah is your buddy who told you that he made takfir on me :) I am ignoring your comment even though you literally called me Kafir (though fact could be that you yourself is kafir in disguise). Anyhow, I think, you need to see Physiatrist urgently, because you seem to have very unstable and disoriented mind, a person who is under delusion that he is Allah or has faculties of Allah (nauzobillah).

It is my advice that you come out of your illusion that is keeping you in ignorance of thinking that either you are Allah (nauzobillah) or thinking that whatever you believe is what Allah should believe and follow, because when you will die you would know that for such people, only fire of hell awaits (and you should know that there are no hooryains in hell, though plenty of Talibans who might take you as Ghulman).

[Note: Difference between Munafiq and Kharjee is that:

Munafiq is Kafir in disguise that he is Muslim (as he confesses that he is Muslim) though he has no belief on Allah ... so for Muslims he is Muslim and Muslims have obligation to call him Muslim, consider him Muslim and treat him as Muslim (because he confesses that he is Muslim), but for Allah he is unbeliever (Kafir).

Kharjee is 'out-side fold of Islam' even though he believes on Allah and follow all Islamic rituals and obligations (except one), but he do takfeer and that means he thinks that he has authority of Allah to judge peoples' faith (what is in a person heart that only Allah can judge), and since his doing takfeer is obvious, a Muslim can call him Kharjee (person outside fold of Islam) and treat him as Kharjee.]

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Bhai... I am sorry to break this dreadful news to you but I think I should. Zia ul Haq has been dead for 25 years already.

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Imran Khan has given a very strong statement against LEJ, may Allah keep him safe.

PPP and PMLN, you guys also come out from your hiding places.

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You are so right. Anyhow, his deeds are still alive, have matured and haunting Pakistan.

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watch how media goes after him now for calling for an army action in quetta :) double triple standards.

well done IK. A brave statement.

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Really disturbing and heartbreaking seeing the killing of Hazaras. Act of shameless cowards who call themselves Muslims trying to promote sectarian hate, really disgusting.

I hope and pray the government opens its eyes before more lives are lost, enough is enough.

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Finally kuch junbish hui.

Chief Justice takes suo moto notice of Hazara killings, hearing on Tuesday - geo.tv

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Here’s Nawaz Sharif’s phusphusi statement.

Nawaz says Quetta tragedy has shown governments failure - geo.tv

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So you think his fasaad ended with him?
you are either ignorant or pretending to be one, to ask this question.

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http://etribune.express.com.pk/DisplayDetails.aspx?ENI_ID=11201209300150&EN_ID=11201209300111&EMID=11201209300027

http://etribune.express.com.pk/Images/Karachi/20120930/SubImages/11201209300150.JPG

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Just want to point out that you were defending release of Malik Ishaq by the CJ few threads back. The blood of these innocent people is on hands of the CJ, the ISI and army and the LEJ murderous beasts and their defenders. I have no faith in states institution's ability to protect these people. Few days from now we will be having same discussion when 100s more become victim of these killers. Btw, just remember today its Hazaras tomorrow it might be you.

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Hamid Mir was saying that there three areas around Quetta where Khawarij live. I think people should go those areas and do their protest right in front of their hideouts.
This way the whole world would know where this filth is coming from.

Similar protests should happen in other cities. For example, in karachi everyone knows their centers like the one at Nagano Chowrangi and the Jamia binoria at gurumandir.

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Please refer to the posts where I defended the release of Malik Ishaq. If at all, some people were pointing out that it is the loopholes in our law, no witness protection program, unwillingness of the persecution to make a case that enables the terrorists to not get convicted in a court of law. Kindly refrain from getting personal like that.

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I was replying to Sa1eem who suggested that Shia's should arm themselves and form a militia and fight their own fight with the terrorists. I was just pointing out that it was Zia-ul-Haq's policy to arm and train private armed mafias like Taliban, LeJ, MQM, etc. for his own greed for power. Iran is already funding Shia malitias and Saudi Arabia is already funding sunni mercenaries. We don't really need more of that.

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and you are suggesting another private army like the ones he created during his reign. Sad.

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Sorry I stand corrected. That was Silaaj and not you.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/593910-s-courts-role-in-increasing-sectarian-massacres.html

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It is absolutely understandable to give weapons to shias like Hazaras who are being massacred like this. If government can not fight the terrorists then it is their right to fight the terrorists themselves.

And Zia's khabaasat went beyond just raising private militias and terrorists in political parties like Nawaz Sharif. He also bred them by spreading and encouraging thousands of terrorist infested madressahs all across the country.

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Was I defending Malik Ishaq’s release, or lamenting the pathetic prosecution that we have? The argument that the CJ knows he is a killer is not enough. If we want law and order to prevail, then we have to give criminals their day in court as well. Otherwise, whats wrong with the military taking over and doing things their way?

Whats pathetic is that the CJ has had to take suo moto of things as petty as individual murders, and as broad as mass murders. If the govt cannot do its job, then it should simply resign. The govt needs to realize that this is a difficult situation Pakistan is in, and it has to make difficult decisions. But all they have been worried about is maintaining coalitions and buying votes. It is their apathy to the ground realities that has brought Pakistan to the brink.

We are actually at the stage where people are calling for arming themselves against the terrorists, as the govt has no will to do so. These are the first signs of anarchy/civil war.