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Defending from an invasion, how? There were no troops anywhere near Qana. Qana is inland, no ships near there.
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Maybe the disabled Lebanese children were killed by bombs that Israeli kids had signed personally?
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Exactly, if it is an inland then they should not have crossed the boundry. The jet fighters not only invaded, they also bombed. Your question should be posed to Israeli intelligence who also shot a UN post assuming it was being used as a shield. If they are smart enough to tell where the rockets are coming from, they should also be precise enough to hit the target.
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Those are not bombs, they are artillery shells with a range of 15 miles or so...... So that is doubtful.
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Actually the emails of UN staff confirmed the base was being used as a shield. Please let me know when you have developed a sensor that detects innocents hiding in basements. Oh, by the way, let your first sale be to Hizbullah and Hamas who have launched thousands of unguided rockets at civilian areas.
Let's face it, it is a miracle that some of those Kaytusha rockets have not landed in schools, hospitals, temples or shopping areas killing just as many innocents.
The outrage at the deaths of innocents is just a wee bit overdone, when to my knowledge, not a single valid military target has ever been hit by these rockets. Each and every one of them has been launched with the pure intent of killing civilians. Hypocricy? Just a bit.
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Israel has killed 800 civilians so far, hence those artillery shells signed by Israeli kids probably killed some of those - most likely Lebanese children.
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The last I was able to find in 2004, there has been over 4,000 Qassim rockets fired from Gaza. Over 2,000 Kaytusha rockets fired from Lebanon.
Now, Isreal withdrew from Gaza a year ago, and from Lebanon in 2000. So all of this activity cannot be blamed on the "occupation".
Every one of the 6,000 rockets has been fired at Israeli civilains. What would you do? Would you let India launch 6,000 rockets at your women and children before you attacked?
Not a single valid military target has ever been hit by 6,000 rockets. And you have the balls to blame Israel? Your sh*t stinks too.
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Yeah? Are we forgetting what else Israel has been upto after leaving Lebanon.
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People; Do you expect him/them to say Israel killed innocent civilians deliberately?
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Israel has killed 800 civilians in just 18 days, which is a blood thirsty murder spree comparable to the Nazi's and communist dictators.
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Yes, Hizbullah has been disarming too eh? Israel gave back the land. They gave back Gaza. All unilaterally.
Today Southern Lebanon is evacuating enmasse. The Israeli army will have a much freer hand with no civilians.
I think Muslims are deluding themselves if they think that Qana is a victory. The Israeli public is tired of being bombarded, and if it it not solved now, then Lebanon will be devastated every three years. Your choice.
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The outrage at the deaths of innocents is just a wee bit overdone, when to my knowledge, not a single valid military target has ever been hit by these rockets. Each and every one of them has been launched with the pure intent of killing civilians. Hypocricy? Just a bit.
The outrage at the death of civilians is never overdone. I'm sorry you think that way.
If Hizb had the technical sofisitication that Israel has, I'm sure they would have retaliated in an even worse manner. It would have been a equally shameful act. I wouldn't justify it. It would be very low of me.
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Muslims see Qana as a victory? Why, cause the world now sees what Israel is capable of? I think not. It has been justified by the Israeli government and its supporters. There is no remorse at all. This is not a victory by any means.
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Maybe this is revenge for the 14,000 some civilians killed in 1982. Is the tally evened yet? Nope.
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The degree to which Israel's last few supporters delude themselves to avoid responsibility always amazes, but is rather pathetic.
Day after day - especially yesterday, the people of the world are seeing what blood thirsty criminals the Israeli military is.
Israel will the Lebanese occupied Shebaa farms area and South Lebanon in disgrace at the end of all this.
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You mean when a similar militia, the PLO was in Lebanon? If this is revenge for 1982, it is not working out so well.
Nobody wants civilains to be killed. We all abhor the thought. But peaceful means have not worked. Look at the statements of Nasrallah. He *wanted this moment. He prepared for this moment. He armed for this moment. *
He knew well that Muslims around the world would do their part in whipping up the lather of feigned morality. But it is HIS cold calculus that has led us here. He gambled with the lives of the Lebanese.
How could this have been avoided? Easy, one peace treaty, the return of Shebba Farms, and the release of prisoners for Peace. The same as Egypt, the same as Jordan. Nasrallah wanted war for his own purposes. Israel has peace with two of it's war opponents, yet Hizbullah wants a fight. They have a fight. Do not underestimate the resolve of the Israelis. This is far from over.
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Israel actually killed 20,000 civilians in Lebanon during the 1980’s. It aso ran Nazi-style camps like Khiam, where children were amongst those tortured to death.
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Now, Isreal withdrew from Gaza a year ago, and from Lebanon in 2000. So all of this activity cannot be blamed on the "occupation".
Every one of the 6,000 rockets has been fired at Israeli civilains. What would you do? Would you let India launch 6,000 rockets at your women and children before you attacked?
Not a single valid military target has ever been hit by 6,000 rockets. And you have the balls to blame Israel? Your sh*t stinks too.
You must be totally blind not to see what you are saying. 6000 rockets and no casualty from them. Sounds pretty fantastical and impossible. 6000 rockets with a hit ration of zero or comparable to none doesn't sound like a threat. Infact such idiotic logic simply implies that all these stories about these rockets is probably concocted and baseless as most of the stuff that media reports is. May be when they were really fired like in the last few days killing 9 israeli soldiers is more accurate news.
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The thing most “intellectuals” do not understand is that the wars they start from Afghanistan, Iraq and now Lebanon, which is Israel’s fault as those soldiers were captured inside Lebanese territory, is not about starting than winning. If you look at Iraq and now, Afghanistan is that military wise they could not put these nations down. These nations are not intimidated that easily, they are brave, resolve and will fight for their country no matter what.
It is impossible to see how Israeli troops can win in uprooting Hezbollah. They could not do it in 18 years and now Olmert believes that two weeks can do the job. They cannot go village to village and fight, neither occupies nor calls on International forces. For them and the “intellectuals” victories lies in bombing civilians deliberately and blaming it on other party that you made us to it. After that apply democracy on gunpoint, it is very obvious and clear that these people are more concerned about their own interests than human lives in general. You cannot expect them to condemn and remorse about death with sincerity and have any imagination on repeatedly avoiding the same mistake.
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Bull Sh*t.
There have been hundreds of casualties over the years. If people were bombarding me repeatedly I would be pissed and I would want some butt. So would you. For years the Israelis have been dinking around with border harrassment. Did you not read what I posted from a report in 2002?
Changes in Hizballah’s Tactics
Hizballah’s behavior since Israel’s May 2000 withdrawal from southern Lebanon leaves little doubt that the organization, which enjoys Syrian and Iranian sponsorship, is committed to a continuous armed confrontation with Israel until, in the words of its leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, “the liberation of Jerusalem” (see PeaceWatch 365 for analysis of Hizballah activities between the Israeli withdrawal and early 2002). There are several unsettling trends in Hizballah’s recent behavior that deserve special attention:
• Crossborder attacks beyond the Shebaa Farms. Until recently, Hizballah’s fire was directed at the Mount Dov area next to Shebaa Farms—the 750 acres Lebanon claims as its territory, without UN support. In the past two weeks, however, Hizballah has expanded its circle of fire to IDF bases on Mount Hermon and the northern part of the Golan Heights. In addition, Israeli communities in Galilee have come under artillery fire, and at least one incident involved the use of antitank missiles. Such activities show that Hizballah is willing to challenge Israel in other sectors of the border, and that its war against Israel goes beyond the limited objective of Shebaa Farms.
• Involvement in crossborder infiltration. During Israel’s occupation of southern Lebanon, Hizballah refrained from attempts to cross the border and carry out attacks against targets inside Israel.** In the past month, however, there have been several attacks against IDF outposts in Mount Dov, with Hizballah gunmen attempting to infiltrate these positions and perhaps seize them. Hizballah is also suspected of involvement in a March 12 infiltration in which Palestinian terrorists shot at cars near Kibbutz Matzuva, killing six Israelis and wounding seven others. **
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/t…5.php?CID=2067
And further from the same source:
ince March 28, 2002, the first day of Operation Defensive Shield—Israel’s attempt to dismantle the Palestinian terrorist infrastructure—Lebanese Hizballah fighters have attacked northern Israeli settlements and military outposts on an almost daily basis. These unprovoked attacks have included the use of antitank missiles, mortars, katyusha rockets, and antiaircraft weapons directed at Israeli military and civilian aircraft. Among the towns attacked have been Shlomi, Kiryat Shmona, Moshav Beit Hillel, and the Allawite village Ghajar, where Hizballah fire wounded five residents, including three children. In an April 7 Hizballah attack on a military outpost in the western sector (a significant distance from the Shebaa Farms area), seven Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers—five of them women—were wounded. Despite these provocations, Israel has indicated that it does not wish to open a second front against Hizballah, the Lebanese army, or Syria. Yet, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon recently stated, “We are demonstrating restraint and are not interested in an escalation in the violence, but we cannot hold back for much longer,” indicating that Israel’s patience is about to run out and that harsh military response is imminent.
Hizbullah went to far too long. You just weren’t paying attention.