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"Oh Indians aren't concerned with Pakistan..."
Oh and don't worry honey, Pakistan will find a way: F16, J10, FC-1, Grippen whatever....you just worry about yourself and your own planes falling from the sky
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We’ll do that, and you just worry about having enough planes in flying condition 
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Not to worry....we have a tradition of outclassing your flyboys everytime eventhough we were outnumbered.
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Yes, we saw that during Kargil, didn’t we? Oh that’s right, your flyboys chose to sit that one out… :o
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^Yeah thats right because a few shoulder fired missiles were enough to to send your flyboys running to the shelter of thier "honey traps"
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Actually the shoulder fired missiles only downed 1 plane and 1 helicopter as per PAF.
Is that why IAF flew thousands of sorties to despatch over 2,700 Pak troops to meet their 72 Honeys?
Seems to me that they weren’t quite enough, unless you claim that the official PAF goal was to send their army brothers to jahanum.
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Actually I am talking about what happened after the "1 aircraft and 1 helicopter was downed" so you can actually stop squirming now.
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Well IAF continued its ops till July, while the losses where on 27 May, 1999.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/Kargil/PCamp.html
Read the above for a full analysis of IAF ops in Kargil, including videos of Pak Jawans getting a ticket to jahanum. See the dates
How’s that for squirming?
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^ ^ I remember what happened after the "1 aircraft and 1 helicopter was downed", the oldest plane in IAF downed PAF Atlantis.
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talwar: You've got to be kidding me...Bharat Rakshak? If you forgot there was a certain grounding of all aircraft while Natchiketa was doing the Natch in Gilgit. Anyway, we got sidetracked the thing is you can jump up and down as much as you like, the point still remains that the PAF has ALWAYS outclassed the flying hanumans
For Kaka: Oh look everybody, its uncle Honey trap opening his own honey trap for all to see. Now we must really have scared the bejesus out of these flying hanumans because uncle honey trap here is so proud of the fact that they downed an unarmed turbo prop recon aircraft (thats right not even a jet) which wasn't even in enemy territory. You might also want to find out the present condition of the flying "aces" who pulled of this great feat of downing an un armed non jet non combat aircraft. I believe one of them is already getting his honey trap stuffed in hell, if not, then both of them are vegetables somewhere un able to clean thier own honey traps.
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^ ^ tch tch. did it hurt bad.? It seems i hit some nerves pretty good there!! Now who is squirming:)
So you mean that indian aircrafts flew in to paki teritory and shot that turbo prubo and PAF couldnt do anyting. IT reminds me of the incident few years ago when an indian plane flew over islamabad and PAF didnt know about it untill it broke sound barrier intentionally. And when paf planes were taking off to down that plane it was already in indian airspace.
BTW dont call me uncle, there are good chances that i am younger than you. Kaka is just the name.
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^Kaka implies that you are an older person? When did you last have some food? Well hey its good to know you don't mind being called Honey trap (though don't touch youself just yet...it ain't a compliment). Well Honey trap, the Indian aircraft didn't come into Pakistani airspace. In the same way about that breaking the sound barrier, well the flying hanumans had to do something to console themselves after we filled Ojha's honey trap with lead and made Natchiketa do some thumkay. Anyway, how do you know that was intentional and not some flying hanuman losing his way? Were you by any chance honey trapping the pilot at the time?
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Man you seriously need to get laid or consult a sex therepist. And regarding the whole "Honey trap" thing of yours I dont respond to idiotic comments. so you can say whatever makes you happy.
FYI the incident i am talking about occured before the kargil fiasco of yours.
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The point remains where? In the toilet? Is that why PAF chickened out in Kargil?
Nachiketa’s plane had an engine flame out and was not shot down, BTW. Ask PAF Air Cmd. Kaiser Tufail for details
If you read carefully, you’d see that the analysis was by international Aviation journalist Phil Camp reproduced on the BR site. But then again, I agree it is a painful reading.
Care to prove your grounding fantasy? IAF fighter/strike planes flew from the beginning to the end of Kargil. BTW, do you think India manufactured all those BBC/CNN videos of IAF planes conducting ops right thru July 1999?
BTW, If PAF is so good, why is Mushy grovelling for F-16s everytime a peon from the US pays a visit to Aiwan-e-Sadr? Shouldn’t the Abduls in Super Mushak be able to take on 10 Su-30MKIs? 
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Come on you guys its 2 against 1 here, surely between the two of you you could come up with something, but oh well.
Kaka Honey Trap, you were the one who was jumping up and down about "Honey traps" in the other thread and now its an idiotic comment? So you made an idiotic thread? wow! such honesty is rare these days congratulations.
Talwar: Whenever your shalwar (shalwar title is copyrighted to Spock) starts to slip, you always coming up with names of people whos underwear you used to wash. The IAF did ground its aircraft after Ojha and Natchiketa were shot down and afterwards thier so called ops until July, they never dared to cross the LOC. Now you can bring up no bodys like Phil Camp and I can show you volumes of the Airfoce Monthly but you'll just squirm away. The matter remains PAF has ALWAYS outclassed the flying hanumans and theres nothing you can do about it. Just console yourself by saying that an airforce that has always been outnumbered yet always come out on top of its adverdary somehow chickened out the last time. I'll just mention that a few shoulder fired missiles exposed the flying hanus for what they were. End of story.
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Muh-fakkar, I just posted the news for ppl like you to read. I didnt write any comment. People like necolas_John and phonixdesi always post news articles so you wanna say same thing to them. it was people like you who created mess.
So shove that honey thing up your pichwada, and give thoughts to the suggestion i gave you in one of my comments.
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^ ^ regarding you being alone and facing two people let me remind you something from your great leader.
1 =10. :D
btw you started calling names, i was just giving some facts for a decent conversation.
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Mufakkar, whenever your chaddy starts go brown, you start blustering.
Beta, where do you think Phil Camp writes? Try Air Forces Monthly Feb 2003 issue for example to see Phil Camp’s work 
Also see the cover page of AFM April 2004 - here
Look for Phil Camp and Simon Watson.
Ojha? Who is Ojha? There was no one called Ojha in Kargil. Also Nachiketa wasn’t even shot down.
Either you prove your lie that IAF stopped its ops after Nachiketa or admit kee teri phat gayee… Let’s see your “Volumes of AFM.” Chalo, bring it, if you can.
Actually, PAF did outclass IAF in Kargil. They chose the smart option by sleeping in Chaklala while their NLI brothers got roasted.
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Muh-fakkar? What is that? Everyone knows how to pronounce my nick thank you. If you were trying to allude to something else at least be man enough to come out and say it like this: Kaka Honey Trap. So you didn’t make any comments? well the smileys in that article just happened to crawl out of your honey traps I suppose? I created a mess? After my comments, you didn’t have the balls to come back there again is that the mess you are talking about?
Same old squirminess. Point remains: PAF outclassed the Flying hanumans everytime they faced each other despite the PAF being outnumbered…and guess what Shalwar or chadi there is nothing you can do about it.
I know where Phil Camp writes thats why I mentioned AFM. I’ve told you before take a deep breath before spraying yourself. You think showing links to selective reading makes your point? Take a gander at issues from August Sept and Oct and then catch your shalwar. Again IAF grounded all aircraft and NEVER dared to cross the LOC…prove me wrong. Now you are trying to squirm towards NLI and the army…but here is the point remains unchanged…the PAF outclassed the hanumans and a few shoulder fired missiles took care of business, regardless of Abduls in Mashhaks.
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You might as well put this in you signature 
Really. So you agree that he isn’t really an unkown after all. Thank you for making my case.
Okay, since you have them, why don’t you post the relevant excerpts. I can also tel you to read August, Sept and Oct issues of Jihadi Wetdreams monthly, but without excerpts or links, they are useless.
I already did, by giving you Phil Camp’s analysis. You on the other hand have given no proof for you nonsensical claim that IAF grounded all aircraft.
Seems to me that you are the one doing the squirming by giving references pulled out of your dirty chaddy.