maslehat...samjhota...iqdaar

one of my relatives who is in tableeghi has a “pir” [extremely religious person with a following of “mureeds”]…his pir is extremely revered and religious famous in pak…

my relative’s wife went to the pir’s house on a shaadi…and there she met the pir’s daughter…she was surprised to see that the daughter was quite “modern” by the pir’s standards: like, she was not wearing burqa, hijab etc and she had short hair and was wearing fitted kapre n makeup etc.

my relative’s wife asked her why she was so “modern” when her father was such a big pir and told his own murshids to make their wives, sisters and mothers do purdah.

she said, before i was married i used to do purdah but after i got married my husband didn’t like me to do purdah so i consulted my father (the pir) and he said do what ur husband asks u to do, coz thats where ur marital success lies, “maslehat” isi mein hae.

hmmm…i guess this is the typical desi attitude…n i can see why it makes sense…whether theres room for “maslehat” in islam is debatable…and can be looked at from different viewpoints…

but to what extent can one do “maslehat”

a friend of mine had an arranged marriage with her cousin but he used to live away from home and they didnt know a lot of stuff abt him, he led a different life away from home and had a different outward image. after they got married her husband thought praying namaz was “old fashioned and paindoo” and forbade her to. even after marriage he used to have female friends over who would visit him and they used to smoke/drink sitting together :S and he would call her to join them. she would even go to sit with them :S but when she refused to smoke/drink he said she did not care for his happiness and did not want to mix up with his friends :S
and from what i have heard this kind of thing is becoming somewhat common in “high class” pakistani society…

they had a child too and their child was also growing up seeing that lifestyle of the father…
my friend tried for many years to subdue her sense of right and wrong and live this weird life but when she saw all this having a wrong effect on her child…she ended up getting khula…

i was discussing with a cousin of mine and she said that that was my friend’s “zidd” and “ana” which she should have given “qurbani” of and done “samjhota” n just listened to her husband..
abt the child she said: whats more important for the child: morals or baap ka saya

hmmm

so she also has a point there, specially abt the child needing baap ka saya :S

if u have very strong morals abt certain things, like duniya aar kee paar ho jayay u wouldnt budge on them…would u compromise on them based on what ur life partner wants? ofcourse there r different levels of bad things…and also ideally such a situation should not arise b/c shaadi dekh daakh kar karni chahiye to a person whose lifestyle is similar. but sometimes things do come up abt the other person abt which u had no prior knowledge. but at the end of the day is it possible to live such a life that contradicts with ur sense of right and wrong…? and apnay aap ko toh banda phir bhee mita sakta hae, but when u have kids, what values do u impart to them?

are morals nothing but “zidd” and “ana” ? coz those of us who insist on having “morals” its not like we dont commit sins or dont break the rules in other matters, we are not perfect by any means, so why should we get stuck on any issue? and why shud we think our moral standards r the best ones, that is hamaray iqdaar sab se achay hayn? lekin how can a Muslim not think that Islami Iqdaar r the best one?

hmmm

if these ppl were truly religious and islamic, they would know that a husband has no right to forbid his wife from performing her Islamic duties.

If a so called "religious" and "pious" woman were to stop doing hijab and reading namaz then she wasn't so pious and "good" to begin with.

Sara usually in desi society the husband and his family think they do have the right to dictate everything to the wife...and usually the wives also just abide by whatever they r told...this is what is the norm...

as for the girl in question: wat other option did she have? refuse and cause tension in the house?

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Sara usually in desi society the husband and his family think they do have the right to dictate everything to the wife...and usually the wives also just abide by whatever they r told...this is what is the norm...

as for the girl in question: wat other option did she have? refuse and cause tension in the house?
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Yah i understand that irem, but that girl's father, if he's so extremely religious as you say, wouldn't he have the sense to tell his daughter to leave her stupid husband? In fact, why did he marry her off to someone like that in the first place?

aNYway as for wat u were saying about morals...I think there's a big difference between a Muslim who commits a sin and is sincerely sorry for it, as opposed to a "moderate" Muslim who commits the same sin and brags about it.

Sara516 :)

hmmm

ofcourse he wouldnt ask his daughter to leave her husband yaar. but yeah thats what i was wondering too, why did he marry her off to sucha guy?

agreed with the second part of ur post, if one commits a sin they should atleast acknowledge it and repent

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Sara516 :)

ofcourse he wouldnt ask his daughter to leave her husband yaar.
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wat's that for? lol...

but yah...i duno..i still think that if he was truly so religious and god-fearing he wouldn't be giving such stupid advice. If the husband wanted his wife to walk around naked, would he let her?

desi ppl r so stupid...n this coming from a proud paki...grrrr

Re: maslehat…samjhota…iqdaar

Which religion does he follow? If the answer is Islam then how can he be Extremely Religious? :konfused:
Isn’t Islam the way of moderation? How do you become an extremely religious person by following Islam?

I think your friend did the right thing. It was not her zid and not her ana. Islam does not allow drinking it is not she who made the rules.

saya ? What kind of saya ? Saya from what? What if the child grows up to be an drunkard due to that saya?

Where do we get our morals from? What is the basis of our morals ?Who decides these levels?

If you have your own set of rights and wrongs you are bound to run into trouble so you why not choose a way that is mutual? Islam?

Que mita dae? I hope you are not assuming that it is the Islamic thing to do.

Again are these morals fabricated by the person? Where do you get these morals from? What do the morals have to say in this regard ?

Test them. Compare them with others and find out if they are the best.

Sara516 - there's a difference between not covering hair and what u mentioned yaar :-)
the former is not so drastic.

t_p - not children of all drunkards grow up as drunkards? and by saya i meant to say that having the shelter and love of the father.
and abt where a Muslim gets morals: ofcourse from Islam innit..

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Sara516 - there's a difference between not covering hair and what u mentioned yaar :-)
the former is not so drastic.

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didn't you also say that he (the husband) liked to smoke and drink alcohol and felt namaz was "paindoo" ?

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didn't you also say that he (the husband) liked to smoke and drink alcohol and felt namaz was "paindoo" ?
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that was the 2nd case yaar...not the pir's daughter's husband

I think that we should always stand up and speak out for what we feel is right. We are responsible for our own soul, so we must decide whatever we feel is right or wrong, and follow it, though it may be difficult. I don't think it's fair to use someone else as an excuse to be weak or passive

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that was the 2nd case yaar...not the pir's daughter's husband
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oh lol ok

but i still think its wrong that if he's so "religious" that he would tell hsi daugther to follow her husband's advice which wasn't so Islamic.

blah choro, yeh laug pagal hain