Re: Mary Magdalene
minah_pa I repeat for the millionth time I am not saying anything about her existing or not, her relationship with Jesus, all I am saying is, if she really didnt exist then how can so many ppl have so many theories and so many versions of the story.
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^ oh she probably did exist. It makes sense for her to have existed, and men have perverted the story to make the original benefactors of the faith look like men rather than women.
It also makes sense that a prostitute having come onto the right path is no less than anyone else having come onto the right path. So its likely that there was such a prostitute as well.
The Quran is a complete book. But that doesn't mean that if it doesn't mention something, it never existed. It just means that in the context of the message, its really not important anymore. Because God probably took care of that message in some other way.
"Quran doesn't talk about squirrels, but they exist, right?" - an Islamic school teacher once told me when I asked her some question about existence and the Quran
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I know but then everyone has just been stating their opinions, I havent seen any refrences to any reliable sources.
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Tikhi - The Bible to me is a reliable source like your Quran is to you. You seem oblivious to this as you walk all over it. There will always be many stories of people not alive to tell on their own, look at Elvis or JFK. The version I believe is in the Bible, therefore she existed and the story was true. And the statement that I made was a direct statement back to yours that she never existed or was created by the church. See below if you wish to have your memory refreshed.
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hmmm i just find it really weird that historians/church would create a woman that never really existed
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Also, there are 2 different Mary's associated with Jesus, one being a reformed prostitute and the other his mother.
PCG - I do not question the existance of the Prophet at all. I believe he was here and his message was a good one. I believe also the historys and messages of the Quran, Bible, Torah, whathaveyou are all basically the same and overlap in many ways. I don't doubt the veracity of any of them. That wasn't my point. Sorry for the misunderstanding this way.
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what? dork?
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then wat is this below>>>
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which Bible? There are 159 versions and all of em contradict each other. Theres doubts over authorship, there are unkown authors. Although interpretation of the Quran might differ, theres only one book, one version and thats why I find Quran to be much more reliable than religions revealed before Islam. I didnt mean to turn this into a Quran vs. Bible issue but its a fact that Bible and other revealed books have been changed, varied, but Quran hasnt. I believe that Bible was revealed by Allah but the Bible you have now is not the same.
Anyways back to my point, so she probably did exist...
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hey chatz - did you read it all instead of that one line?? Thanks :)
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PCG, don’t you ever get sick of being on that high horse? Everyone’s an idiot, all men are pigs, everyone is wrong, you’re the only one who is right about anything and everything. Talk about a big ego and a swollen head. You do realize that you come off as a total b**ch don’t you?
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Tikhi, what makes you think that the quran hasn’t changed? Today, one of the oldest copies of the Quran at the University of Tashkent is different from what you and I read. Please don’t be duped into believing that the Quran has never changed. Mind you, it has never changed in context, but letters such as ‘seen’ and ‘saad’ have been transposed. In sura 68, Al Qalam, the first verse begins with the initial Noon, in some Qurans it just begins with the letter NOON, while in others the letter is spelled out, IE “N” vs. “NOON”.
More over, why did Marwan destroy the original Quran? History says he destroyed the original Quran to stop feuds between parties that disputed verses 128 and 129 in surah 9. Those two verses have always been considered suspicous. It is the only chapter that doesn’t have a Bismillah on top, and these are the only “Meccan” verses that were revealed after the Prophets move to Medina, how can a “Meccan” verse be revealed after “Medinana” verses?
Many questions, perhaps you should read about how the Quran was actually put together before berating other religions. I’m honestly not trying to be nast, so I’m sorry if I’ve offended you, I’m just trying to give you a perspective that many people hold but due to its controversial nature, it is not often heard of. Cheers.
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More over, why did Marwan destroy the original Quran? History says he destroyed the original Quran to stop feuds between parties that disputed verses 128 and 129 in surah 9. Those two verses have always been considered suspicous. It is the only chapter that doesn't have a Bismillah on top, and these are the only "Meccan" verses that were revealed after the Prophets move to Medina, how can a "Meccan" verse be revealed after "Medinana" verses?
And who fed you this nonsense?
No, I like being on my high horse. More importantly, you should consider why it bothers you?
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bachchon...it is about the message..you could copy some ditto..doesn;t mean it is right.
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^
Begaani Shaadi maiN Abdullah Deewanaa :)
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Also, there are 2 different Mary’s associated with Jesus, one being a reformed prostitute and the other his mother.
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Hello,
Catholic Encylopedia on Mary Magdalene mentions:
Mary of Bethany
Mary Magdalen (Mary?)
An Excerpt:
The Greek Fathers, as a whole, distinguish the three persons:
the “sinner” of Luke 7:36-50;
the sister of Martha and Lazarus, Luke 10:38-42 and John 11; and
Mary Magdalen.
On the other hand most of the Latins hold that these three were one and the same. Protestant critics, however, believe there were two, if not three, distinct persons
Note The Virgin Mary is yet another Mary.*
Another excerpt:
Mary Magdalen who, according to all the Evangelists, stood at the foot of the cross and assisted at the entombment and was the first recorded witness of the Resurrection. And while St. John calls her “Mary Magdalen” in 19:25, 20:1, and 20:18, he calls her simply “Mary” in 20:11 and 20:16.
As I understand the text there is some controversy over whether Mary, Mary Magdalene, and Mary of Bethany are one in the same person.
The page is an interesting read.
Also mentions:
Subsequent history of St. Mary Magdalen.
The Greek Church maintains that the saint retired to Ephesus with the Blessed Virgin and there died, that her relics were transferred to Constantinople in 886 and are there preserved. Gregory of Tours (De miraculis, I, xxx) supports the statement that she went to Ephesus.
However, according to a French tradition (see SAINT LAZARUS OF BETHANY), Mary, Lazarus, and some companions came to Marseilles and converted the whole of Provence. Magdalen is said to have retired to a hill, La Sainte-Baume, near by, where she gave herself up to a life of penance for thirty years. When the time of her death arrived she was carried by angels to Aix and into the oratory of St. Maximinus, where she received the viaticum; her body was then laid in an oratory constructed by St. Maximinus at Villa Lata, afterwards called St. Maximin.
History is silent about these relics till 745, when according to the chronicler
Sigebert,
they were removed to Vézelay through fear of the Saracens. No record is preserved of their return, but in 1279, when Charles II, King of Naples, erected a convent at La Sainte-Baume for the Dominicans, the shrine was found intact, with an inscription stating why they were hidden.
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My reply #26 was stating …
The teachings I recieved as I child I understood to mean that Mary Magdalene:
(was a sinner..)
(once washed Jesus feet)
(prepared Jesus body for burial..and was among those who discoved the grave open…)
And was of the first to see Jesus arisen.
What is false about that? I wasn’t stating the ^ as absolute fact. I was sharing with the board my childhood understanding of what I was taught.
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Did it say how long he’d be living on earth after his second coming? I heard something like about 20 years, but I don’t know if it’s true.
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^
40 years
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ok and this is all towards the end of the world, right? so we would know 40 years in advance exactly when the end of the world is coming? 
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Did it say how long he'd be living on earth after his second coming? I heard something like about 20 years, but I don't know if it's true.
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Well no one can guess any ones life, that how long he/she will live. No one knows except Allah.
And the question about marring any person I will say He didnot marry any person because he was so busy in preaching and he didnot have much time to do this. As Hadeeths say that when he will come back he will marry some one.
** In Surah AS-SAFF chapter number 61 verse number 6**
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!" "
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In Surah AL-BAQARA chapter number 2 verse number 120
"And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper. "
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In Surah AL-BAQARA chapter number 2 verse number 135**
"And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you will be on the right course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif, and he was not one of the polytheists.
Re: Mary Magdalene
Nope… Ahadeeth tells us that he will live 40 years but ahaadeeth do not tell us that the day of judgement is right after his departure. There is no mentioning of time… it could be next year, 40 more years or may be a century or two or even more.. Hence no one would know.