I am not saying Javed Chaudhary is 100% right but I have read this statement (in 60’s people discussed that who will be on no. 1 London, Washington or Karachi! ) somewhere else by a non-political personality. I don’t hate Democracy but can anyone Enlighten me that What we have achieved by this so called Democracy and Democratic Leaders ?
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We got rid of Musharraf. That is enough to last us a few hundred years.
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I Will Take Dictatorship over this pathetic Democracy any day any time
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Aur ab ham gadhe aik aur gadhe KE pichey chal Pade hain.
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Both systems can work and both can fail...
Its trail and error. Neither is perfect you have to utilise what works for you.
Its like comparring a rifle or shotgun... both are good at what they do... and it depends on the situation your in.
Democracy in its purest form is wonderfull and probably the fairer system. However until recently its not been feasible even in the west to have "true democracy" technology has helped even odds... but still its done by representatives. Not all representatives are honest and chief whips and bribes go a long way... corruption happens even in London and Washington.
Likewise Dictatorship is not eactly a fair system but sometimes one guy can really have a "grip" of things and while its not going to be to everyones tastes a millitary governor or Junta can at least effectively keep order and also prevent total anarchy... although some can argue theres nothing wrong with anarchy. :P
Both systems have been proven to work and both have thier negative and positive effects people need to wiegh up thier choices and see what they can live with...
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Pakistan has seen very few days of democracy. I would say in the days of ZAB and perhaps before him for a very short period. What Pakistan had gone through is kind of 'aadha teetar, aadha batair" system of democracy where absolute powers still lies with the generals. Many key civilian functions are still run by military. Had Pakistan democracy like India for at least three decades, perhaps things would have been different. This system is now moving from two sharing holders to three. Judiciary is making inroads in the administration of government which is quite dangerous to the stability of country. I have said it many times and I am saying again, unless true democracy would not function in the country, the country would head for another breakup. Pakistan has faced this tragedy in 1971 will further face disaster if army and judiciary encroach in the administration of civilian government.
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This system is now moving from two sharing holders to three. Judiciary is making inroads in the administration of government which is quite dangerous to the stability of country. I have said it many times and I am saying again, unless true democracy would not function in the country, the country would head for another breakup. Pakistan has faced this tragedy in 1971 will further face disaster if army and judiciary encroach in the administration of civilian government.
More shareholders is a good idea. It keeps everyone in check, as opposed to a singular power. When it comes to the military, it is run by the order of 1 (or at the most, 2) persons, sitting at the top. When it comes to our major political parties, they are run the same way, with 1 decision maker. Judiciary is more balanced, and has checks and balances, and can be questioned. Decisions can be appealed, laws can be amended, repealed, etc. This does not exist in politics and military, where the word of the boss is never questioned.
All institutions must be allowed to do their job. It would be nice to see democracy flourish within political parties as well, as that is when we will see real democracy in the country.
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Pakistan has seen very few days of democracy. I would say in the days of ZAB and perhaps before him for a very short period. What Pakistan had gone through is kind of 'aadha teetar, aadha batair" system of democracy where absolute powers still lies with the generals. Many key civilian functions are still run by military. Had Pakistan democracy like India for at least three decades, perhaps things would have been different. This system is now moving from two sharing holders to three. Judiciary is making inroads in the administration of government which is quite dangerous to the stability of country. I have said it many times and I am saying again, unless true democracy would not function in the country, the country would head for another breakup. Pakistan has faced this tragedy in 1971 will further face disaster if army and judiciary encroach in the administration of civilian government.
bhutto ruled more then 5 years and every one know who was the reason of 1971's break up but in this thread we'll not discuss it. Just tell me in which Party's tenure Pakistan was going to be a fast growing country ? This party is also going to complete its 5 years and we have seen in 1st post that what we have achieved in this good governance. So just stay on your topic and write the blessings and services of Democracy.
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I Will Take Dictatorship over this pathetic Democracy any day any time
This is what the vision of Imran Khan and the main reason for him and his party still to take off for the last 17 years.
Pakistan have faced worst dictatorships of the world. Resulting breakup of the country, changed from social welfare state to jehadi state. Pakis are looked as unreliable terrorists all over the world due to dictatorship policies.
Pakistanis were proud to say they were Pakistanis during ZAB's time. Not any more, they hide their nationality and say the belonged to Afghanistan, India, etc........
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bhutto ruled more then 5 years and every one know who was the reason of 1971's break up but in this thread we'll not discuss it. Just tell me in which Party's tenure Pakistan was going to be a fast growing country ? This party is also going to complete its 5 years and we have seen in 1st post that what we have achieved in this good governance. So just stay on your topic and write the blessings and services of Democracy.
Who was ruler when when Pakistan broke? He was a dictator with absolute power, you are praising against democracy. No Pakistan does not need dictatorship which break the country and change the country to jehadi one so that every one in the world hate Pakistan and Pakistanis. Next dictatorship will guarantee you break away Baluchistan. Ingress this in to your brain. Do you want Pakistan or not?
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I will take any weak political government over the dictatorships we have had, like yahya, zia and musharraf. One or two full tenures and the democracy will start taking root, we should not take this government as a bench mark. Ideally democratic governments need to keep in view the public sentiments otherwise they get booted in the next elections. The vote is the most powerful weapon that we have got, if you don't consider the current rulers to be a true representative of you go out in droves and vote them out.
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:k: Well said.
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We don't need one-man-show governments whether its civilian or dictatorship, atleast in civilian we have a chance of accountability, a hope of change if the government fails in its promises/delivery whereas there is no concept of that in dictatorship.
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Just compare these current years with any dictator period …
Just watch your criminal leader bhutto words for bangalies and he is the one who order army to attack on Baluchistan.
just see the words of your so called great leader who is abusing Bangalies and saying them go to hell and soor kay bachay …
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We don't need one-man-show governments whether its civilian or dictatorship, atleast in civilian we have a chance of accountability, a hope of change if the government fails in its promises/delivery whereas there is no concept of that in dictatorship.
Just read my first post again. I am just saying that tell me progress and milestones which achieved by Pakistan under democracy.
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Just compare these current years with any dictator period ...
just see the words of your so called great leader who is abusing Bangalies and saying them go to hell and soor kay bachay .
I avoid personal attacks.
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I avoid personal attacks.
thats funny dude...........
are you denying that bhutto is calling banaglies go to thell soor k bachay?? is that someone else speaking??
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^ I have edited the posts, there were some personal comments...
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thats funny dude...........
are you denying that bhutto is calling banaglies go to thell soor k bachay?? is that someone else speaking??
Open another thread regarding your apprehensions, I will be happy to participate, though this has nothing to with breakup and was discussed a number of times in past.
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Just read my first post again. I am just saying that tell me progress and milestones which achieved by Pakistan under democracy.
To an extent so far dictatorships have fared better in some aspects but that does not still prove that dictatorship is better for Pakistan. God forbid, if tomorrow a TTP-like dictator comes into power, can you imagine what he'll do with Pakistan?
