Marrying a girl to the god Yellamala

I dont know if this topic has been discussed before but here it is anyway. I think this is another BAD aspect of HINDUISM.

8 March 2000

Married to God, devdasis beg real deities for money – Mini Pant Zachariah (Asian Age)

Although officially abolished, the practise of marrying a girl to the god Yellamala is still prevalent. Married to the deity, these temple girls are left to serve in temples and are sexually exploited in the name of an archaic tradition. Abandoned by their families, with no adequate means of livelihood, the women depend on a meagre State assistance and by begging outside temples.

“Although the practice of devdasis is banned, it goes on surreptitiously. These women are forced into prostitution by the upper caste men,” says Ms. Shaila Satpute, general secretary of the Maharastra Pradesh Congress Committee.

The Maharastra government’s monthly dole of Rs. 300/- to wean devdasis away from their age-old profession has eluded Jaishri so far. She, along with some 60 devdasis from Solapur came to Mumbai on Wednesday – International Women’s Day – to demand that the monthly allowance to devdasis be raised. Neighbouring Karnataka, which has a larger population of devdasis, pays Rs 1,200 per month to devdasis ever since the practice of temple girls was abolished.
Source: www.dalits.org

[This message has been edited by Dil he Pakistani (edited September 05, 2001).]

This is really Sad...

wait for Hindus to tell you that it is a ‘hate’ site and it should not be beleived at all

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and probably ‘made up’ by Muslims (yeah right).


We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?

Hmmmmmmm this is awful..

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“kaisay na karta usko main pyar, uski haseen main sukh thay hazaar, bichar gayay hum dukh ki hay baat”

So sad

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rvikz or vayu, What are your opinions on this aspect of Hinduism? if any?

India is on the right path, having abolished this tradition long back, and in trying to wean away prostitutes by providing for destitute women. The effort is all the more commendable given the fact that 1200 Rupees is quite a lot of money for poor India. If this effort is kept up, within a decade this horrible occurance will become another extinct social evil.

Rani, What do you think about this????

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Originally posted by Dil he Pakistani:
rvikz or vayu, What are your opinions on this aspect of Hinduism? if any?
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prositution is worlds oldest profesion
exist in all countries some hidden some open
in india they give religious twist to everything even dieseases like small pox.
indias have a problem of describing things in a non-religious way. so put religious stamp on everthing.

Okay, take the religious stamp off the Prostitution. Do you think is Prostitution a good profession to be in? If yes then explain!

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Originally posted by rvikz:
** prositution is worlds oldest profesion
exist in all countries some hidden some open
in india they give religious twist to everything even dieseases like small pox.
indias have a problem of describing things in a non-religious way. so put religious stamp on everthing.**
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rvikz, Your saying this 'marriage' to the Hindu God Yellamala is just an excuse for forcing women into PROSTITUTION. How Sad...

Indian Society today is corrupt, its people have MANY pagan rituals, some of them EVIL, some rather bizarre, some very hilarious. The question is rvikz, DO you SUPPORT these aspects of HINDUISM or do you remain quiet and just accept it a normal part of Indian Culture?? This seems to be the case with the Indian Public.

That indeed is something tragic and should be condemned!

Though let me clearify that these practices are due to social triats, not religious! So we shouldn’t point fingers at Hinduism.

We, in Pakistan, have the same problem ourselves …

Married to Quran to save property!

It is believed that the practice is still on going in remote areas of Sindh. I remember a PTV drama serial which pointed out this aspect of our society (not this aspect of religion)

So, if we point fingers at Hinduism for something that Indian society in perticular has acquired, then we are giving right to anyone to point fingers at Islam, rather than the social structure of the remote areas of Pakistan.

Mr.Ahmad, the DATE of that article is over a year ago ! Sure this practice may still exist but Do you not think that this issue is being addressed by the Government? Even so I would condemn this aspect within Sindh, this is TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAM unlike what we see in India which is WITHIN THE HINDU SOCIETY. The HINDU PRIESTS have given their FULL blessings to such rituals as marrying women to Yellamala. Ahmadjee as you seem to know more about Hinduism, Isn’t Hinduism a VAST COLLECTION of stories, facts about the earth, kama sutra, superstitions, pagan beliefs etc ???.

[This message has been edited by Dil he Pakistani (edited September 06, 2001).]

Bhai,

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Even so I would condemn this aspect within Sindh, this is TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAM unlike what we see in India which is WITHIN THE HINDU SOCIETY.
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Many will be ready to argue that Pakistan is in fact an Islamic society!

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The HINDU PRIESTS have given their blessings to such rituals as marrying women to Yellamala.
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The Molvi sahib also gives his blessings in Sindh!

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Ahmadjee as you seem to know more about Hinduism, Isn't Hinduism a VAST COLLECTION of stories, facts about the earth, kama sutra, superstitions, pagan beliefs etc ???.
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Sorry, I really don't know much about it. Just a few things here & there! I am sure our Hindu guppies here can tell you better.

My point was simple that we shouldn't point fingers at something that we don't know much about. Usually these kind of things are incorporated by the society & not religion.

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Originally posted by ahmadjee:
**Bhai,

Many will be ready to argue that Pakistan is in fact an Islamic society!

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**

I do question Pakistani society being Islamic. I say it is 'populated' by Muslims, but does not "form" an Islamic society.

The HINDU PRIESTS have given their blessings to such rituals as marrying women to Yellamala.
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The Molvi sahib also gives his blessings in Sindh!

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Ahmadjee as you seem to know more about Hinduism, Isn't Hinduism a VAST COLLECTION of stories, facts about the earth, kama sutra, superstitions, pagan beliefs etc ???.
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Sorry, I really don't know much about it. Just a few things here & there! I am sure our Hindu guppies here can tell you better.

My point was simple that we shouldn't point fingers at something that we don't know much about. Usually these kind of things are incorporated by the society & not religion.**
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We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

This is an article about devadasis and their roots.

What is the Devadasi System
Perhaps the most horrible effect of fall of Buddhism in ancient India, which is haunting us even today, is the start of devadasi system. The system of votive offering of girls to the deities in Brahmanic temples is a system found in all parts of India, but was more prevalent in the south. In some parts of Maharashtra and Karnataka it is still prevalent and has become a source of exploitation of lower castes. Though they had a glorious past, these girls are now a days degraded to the status of cheap prostitutes. The saying in Marathi goes, “Devadasi devachi bayako sarya gavachi”, meaning that she is servant of god but wife of the whole town. This is the lot of such a woman. She has to remain unmarried, and maintain herself by ceremonial begging, a system called “jogava” in Marathi, to get both ends meet. With “chal” (a string of small bells) in her feet, she carries the “jag” (a metal mask of god) in a “pardi” (a basket) on her head and begs whole life, or ends up in a brothel.
The term devadasi is a Sanskrit term denoting female servant of deity, but they are known by different names in different areas. Jogan Shankar gives the names by which they are known in various parts, such as Maharis in Kerala, Natis an Assam, Muralis in Maharashtra, Basavis in Karnataka State. [p.16] Though the name ‘devadasi’ is popular, in Goa they use the term Bhavanis'. Kudikar’ on the West-Cost Bhogam-Vandhi' or Jogin’ in Andhra Pradesh; Thevardiyar’ in Tamil Nadu; Murali', 'Jogateen' and 'Aradhini' in Maharashtra. In Karnataka, old devadasis are called as Jogati’ and young devadasis as Basavi'. The term Basavi’ refers to feminine form of Basava' a bull which roams the village at will without any restriction. Hence Basavi’ alludes to the foot loose position of the woman. [Jogan Shankar: 1990: 157]

The rite of Initiation
This cult is prevalent even today throughout India with some regional variances. When a girl is dedicated to or married not to a mortal-man but to an idol, deity or object of worship or to a temple, some rite is performed. About the rite of initiation, it is stated that, unlike old times, such ceremonies are now a days performed rather secretly without much fanfare at smaller temples or local priests’ residences, rather than big temples of Yellamma like at Savadatti or Kokatnur, to avoid the expenses and also to escape clutches of law. The expenses are borne either by the ‘would be’ companion or paramour or the “Gharwalis” (mistresses of urban brothels) where these girls who would be expected to join their brothel in future. [Jogan Shankar: 1990: 99] The vows at the time of initiation include the warning to parents or brothers that this girl will have a right in their property. Then the priest addresses the girl to be dedicated and seeks some set answers, to which the girl has to agree.
“Priest: Look! Hereafter you cannot claim a right of wife with any man. You have to fast on Tuesday and Friday and beg on those days holding a Joga in your hand. You happen to see a calf, sucking its mother you should not forcibly withdraw the calf. If a cow grazes the crop before you, you shall not drive it away. You shall not speak untruth. If you are feeling hungry don’t tell others so and ask for food. Offer shelter to shelterless and strangers. Provide food to those who are hungry and water to the thirsty. Help the helpless people. If anybody abuses you and beats you, never retaliate. If you come across with an event of death you have to take bath, visit the temple of Yellamma. Only after worshiping the deity you are supposed to take meals. You should not eat ‘Yenjalu’ (left out food) of somebody. You shall chant “Udho Yellamma” (Glory to Yellamma) all the time.” [Jogan Shankar: 1990: 101]

Devadasi customs
Swami Dharma teertha quotes the plight of these womwn, by an author in 1914 writing about South Indian temples describes the respect these girls received as daughter of the deity; that the goldsmiths and weavers of Trichinopoly devote the eldest daughter of the family to the temple service of Srirangam, in young age and taught preliminaries of profession. At the age of thirteen they go through the ceremony of marriage with the god Subramania who is represented by stone or image or by a figure. After the ceremony they are ready to ply their trade of prostitution, their earnings going to swell the temple revenue." [Swami Dharmatirtha, p. 139]
Dedication to Gods meant Brahmins
Lands and women dedicated to temples, in the names of gods, they were actually meant for bhudevas, as Swamiji mentions:
“We should know that dedication for the gods meant dedication for the maintenance of the worshipping Brahmans who, because they so worshipped, were called “devalas” and were all but outcastes among Brahmans; a fact showing the not very reputable origin and character of such worship and worshippers, the maintenance of servants, female slaves, dancing girls and musicians and providing of the articles of worship.” [Swami Dharmatirtha, p. 139]
Fate of Devadasis

After initiation, the ceremony of ‘the first night’ is celebrated. It is called ‘Uditumbuvadu’. Previously the right belonged to the priest but now a days, it is well publicized within the clientele of businessmen and rich landlords. One who deflowers her gets right to her over others for the rest of her life but neither she nor the children of such union have any right over him, or his property. He can leave her any time. She has to lead a life of a cheap prostitute either near about or at metropolitan brothels. By the time her market value goes down, and she is thrown out of business, she becomes a habitat for a number of diseases including may be AIDS, and ends up in some village corner, desolate, rejected, friendless and rots to death.
Caste distribution of Devadasis

It is well known that majority of devadasis are from dalit community. According to the research conducted by Prof. Baba Saheb Ghatge for his M. Phil. the percentage of castes in Kolhapur district of Maharashtra is as follows:
Mahar (SC) - 53%,
Maratha - 30%,
Matang (SC) - 10%,
Gurav (OBC) - 2%,
Sutar (OBC) - 1%,
Dhangar (OBC)- 1%,
Parit (OBC) - 1%,
Khatik (OBC) - 1%,
Bhoi (NT) - 1%

-- [Ghatge:1996]

The 30% among Marathas, which is not a backward caste, is rather surprising, and in my opinion is indicative of common origin of Dalits and Marathas, as was explained by Dr. Ambedkar in “The Untouchables”.
Even in those places, where worship of Yellama is in vogue by other castes, the devadasis are all dalits.
source: http://www.dalitstan.org/books/decline/decline11.html