Funny how they talk about men divorcing women, the opposite is true! It is overwhelmingly the women who are divorcing men. Young women in west are doing better than an average man, the ratios in colleges is 60:40 females to male. When men of third world countries talk about divorcees or widows, they talk as if they are doing a big favor by accepting tainted product. Women are not commodity, I think divorce is not a stigma anymore, there are tons of examples where divorced women got a better husband next time around. It is not that they are looking for a second marriage, it is that they are looking to exploit the economic and social victimhood of female living and raised in a misogynistic, exploitative and abusive society.
Over 80 percent of males are resoundingly rejected by females in the west.
Young men and women are in same population ratio, so what happens to the incels.
Quran calls for justice in marriage, as in everything else. It is one of the essential principles of Islam.
Quran does NOT say that you can marry without consent of your existing wife.
In this case “limits set by Allah” seems like a privilege granted to men by themselves
Prophet’s sunnah is that second marriage is not permitted if it hurts the first wife.
Narrated Al-Miswar bin Makhrama:
I heard Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) who was on the pulpit, saying, “Banu Hisham bin Al-Mughira have requested me to allow them to marry their daughter to Ali bin Abu Talib, but I don't give permission, and will not give permission unless Ali bin Abi Talib divorces my daughter in order to marry their daughter, because Fatima is a part of my body, and I hate what she hates to see, and what hurts her, hurts me.”
^^ Simple translations are not the way to interpret the orders of Allah. There is no difference of opinion among the 4 fiqhs on the matter of a man seeking permission from any of his wives. No permission is needed. What you quoted was about daughter of Abu Jahal as the possible 2nd wife.
It is not that simple and there is always room for Ijtihad, Hadrat Ali was not given permission to have second wife, hence goes to show that it is not a standing right, Also Islam allows premarital agreements and the state should encourage premarital agreements where the women can agree to not allow second wife or to be compensated rigorously.
There were things that were allowed and the state can later disallow them, my research shows that Mutah was allowed in times of Hadrat Abu Bakr (RA) then Hadrat Omar RA banned it.
Same with beheadings of captives, enslavement of captured women, marriage with underage women, women driving, travelling, not leaving homes without Mahram etc have all been modified, so why cannot some other aspects be modified.
It is possible that at those times many men died in battles and women did not have means for supporting themselves and it was necessary to have polygamy. Now things have changed, men and women in same ratios, women are more financially secure than men so there needs to be a different look on the situation.
I would even say that during those times in history maybe men were much lower in numbers, due to wars
In the end, no two relationships are the same and adults have to decide. Staying in marriage is not a reward. Yes if the husband is caring, kind, nurturing, drives kids back and forth, helps in cooking and cleaning etc than he has value. If he is a misogynist, angry twerp who is emotionally damaging the kids than it is way better for women to take the house, keep the kids, take the money and kick him to the curb.
When kids are young, a good man would not have time to even have romance with his wife, let alone a new one. I am sure your friend is a misogynist and does not help raising the kids and/or help with the house.
Show me the math on time, how is it even possible with young kids??
Quran is *silent *on the issue of permission of first wife to take a second wife. The 4 fiqh have *inferred *that permission is not needed. Certainly, a ruling on which all 4 schools of fiqh agree should be taken seriously and not treated lightly. However, does that mean it is to be considered infallible and binding for all time to come and cannot be revisited? If that were the case we would still be owning slaves.
If you or someone else want to change Islam to suite their own thinking, you are not alone. Feel free to go ahead with the changes. New and improved version of Islam, approved by Department of Justice. That has been happening since the time of the prophet (pbuh). People who want to change themselves instead, have also been there and continue to be here.
I asked for a verse that explicitly said men marrying only to fulfill their sexual needs is termed as halal in Islam
Injustice technically is done the day you decide to bring in home a young trophy wife fit enough to be your daughter, that too without the consent of your first. Monogamy and fidelity put aside, the least that needs to be done here is to have the decency to declare his future ideas before marrying the first time, rather than forcing his wife to be in a position she never ever imagined she’d have to be in
Islam does not say first cousin marriage is prohibited, neither does it recommend it over non cousin marriages. Cycling back a few 1000 years people in certain tribes preferred the former so they could keep their wealth within the family, mustn’t mean what worked back then has to be as effective today
Pitching a second wife to your first is easy, but picturing yourself having a second step mother for some reason is not. Expect women to work with other women when you can’t withstand her being with a different man. Cute.
I’m colorful because I watch/make movies, remember? Mustn’t take someone’s kindness as their weakness, more so when they wouldn’t skip a beat making a movie based on and about your legendary soul. Should it be okay to you if your father brought in a new wife when you were twelve?
So no part of the verse suggests marrying for sexual needs is acceptable, like you said
Muslims dominated in science during the 6xx-12xxAD era. Science only had one language back then and it was called Arabic. Before the Muslims were China and India, then in came the Europeans to lead in science. Things clearly were a lot more different than they are today
I understand the points you are making. You are saying,
There is only one interpretation of Quran and that is the one practiced by the Prophet
There can be no change to this interpretation on matters that have already been ruled on. If new situations arise then the interpretation can be extended by consensus of scholars.
I respectfully disagree on both points.
The Prophet’s interpretation is what we call Sunnah. As long as the Prophet walked among the people this was the unquestioned interpretation.
After that it was up to the muslims to interpret the Quran in the light of the Sunnah. This naturally led to disagreements and diversity of opinion. None of these interpretations have the finality or infallibility of the Quran and Sunnah. The Prophet himself called disagreement among his ummah a blessing so that they may not end up considering one interpretation as final which would be tantamount to raising the work of the scholars to the level of the Quran and Sunnah.
Even matters that have been ruled on by scholarly interpretations can be changed because social, political and technological changes can throw light on the motivations of the original interpretations and can point to new interpretations based on new knowledge. The most glaring example is the case of slavery. No muslim scholar today supports the interpretation on which there was a consensus of scholars a few centuries ago.
^^^ You’ve rightly summed up my point of view. That is the scholarly consensus of the 4 fiqhs. I do understand some people do not agree with that point of view but I can agree to disagree.
I think many men are bound to develop extramarital relations and giving the rights of a wife to such a woman while adding to the responsibilities of such a man is most appropriate. It will indirectly benefit countless women in society who would otherwise remain unmarried. I also think Muslims living in such countries where keeping multiple wives is not allowed, should advocate for that rather than shy away.
As far as slavery is concerned, the rules around it are still active according to all 4 fiqhs, so if a Muslim military takes and keeps slaves according to those rules, that is perfectly fine by me. That is the best way to eventually re-integrate those prisoners back into society.
@decentGuy We have discussed the issue of permission of first wife. What about knowledge of first wife? Is it permissible to marry a 2nd wife and keeping it a secret from the first wife?
That also occurs quite frequently.
^^^First of all Eid mubarak to you and everyone else here.
Yes, it is permissible. But it is sunnah to announce marriage, so it is highly recommended. Usually it is very difficult to hide marriage anyway. There are other issues to consider as well.
During the early days of Islamic jurisprudence there were 2 kinds of contracts prevalent among commercial traders. One was the partnership contract where 2 parties agreed to become partners in a commercial enterprise according to the terms of the contract. The second was the purchase contract in which one party purchased goods from the other party. These goods could include slaves.
The early Muslim jurists developing the Nikah contract purposely modeled it after the purchase contract and not the partnership contract.
That is why women in an Islamic marriage have limited rights to opt out of the contract and their consent or even knowledge is not considered necessary for a man to enter another contract.
^^^Regarding your last sentence: The reason the 4 fiqhs decide on rights and responsibilities that can be agreed upon during Nikah has nothing to do with the personal likes or dislikes of the fuqaha. They followed the chain of interpretation of Quran and Sunnah.
