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I do not claim that I know Islam better than them or anyone else. Didn’t I admit that I made a mistake too?
Ibrahim says; Brother my point being you took a risk knowingly and from what you have been conveying so far , you have more knowledge in Islam then they may have (by your own assertions) ., hence you should have known better and showed them the correct path instead of ending up being part of the problem.
Still running in Circles.., I tried to do all that I could, to get the message across. “You took a risk knowingly” I was uncertain of the consequences, yes, because i am not a magician neither can I predict the future, I knew the girl, I liked the girl, I wanted to marry the girl and I sent the proposal, and I’ve discussed the events that occurred afterwards. why are we still arguing on this particular point? What are you trying to prove?
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Blaming the parents for not bringing her up properly, well I mentioned this only after your repeated assertion that I shouldn’t have done this and that.. and its supposed to be completely my fault!
Ibrahim says; Let me ask you something brother! Lets imagine instead of you, the father was on this forum and he was accusing you of abusing his daughter and cheating her , even though he believed you were a good Muslim and he had trusted you as a Muslim and your parents had failed to educate you , thus you have brought shame to his family and Islam. Blah blah blah …..
Brother Just imagine this scenario …(I am not saying you did this)
What will the people on this forum think of you? Some will immediately jump to the conclusion that you must be punished and You will surely cry that you have been unjustly slandered without your presence, right? Meaning it amounts to back biting.
My point being when you do this here without that parents having knowledge of it or having the means to defend themselves. it amounts to slander. Those who hears such things have two options, one to act in defense against such slander and give the benefit of doubt to the accused since he is not being represented here. whereas the accuser can defend himself or the second option being , to close the ears and move away and not hear anything concerning this.
Let me start by defining what slander means: a false report maliciously uttered and tending to injure the reputation of a person.
Mine is not a false report, it is based on facts. If you think that I am making all this up just to gather sympathies, well, I may not benefit from any sympathy from anyone on this forum, my intention is solely to resolve this issue, influence of family-tradition over religion in our society. I do not want other people to suffer because of this cullture. You are very well aware that this is not something uncommon in our society, still you are trying to give a twist to this particular issue, the only reason being that I am of the opinion that parents should not be supported if they are making a decision that is in conflict with Quran and Sunat, andYOU suggest that no matter how wrong parents are, the children should keep quiet and support them even if they are making an error
I do not intend to injure the reputation of a person, DO YOU KNOW WHOM AM I TALKING ABOUT? Do you know those people? This is a genuine issue and it has to be solved and that is the intention. You may consider it slander, maybe because you may have another definition of the word! By mentioning this, you want me to keep quiet, ignore the issue and let the father force her daughter to marry the person he considers is best for her (may Allah forbid this to happen).
Now consider this ………..
Al-Muwatta Hadith Hadith 41.18
The Hadd for Slander, Denial and Insinuation
Malik related to me from Zurayq ibn Hakim al-Ayli that a man called Misbah asked his son for help and he thought him unnecessarily slow. When the son came, his father said to him, “O fornicator.” Zurayq said, “So the son asked me to help him against the father. When I wanted to flog him, his son said, ‘By Allah, if you flog him, I will acknowledge that I have committed fornication.’ When he said that, the situation was confused for me, so I wrote about it to Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz who was the governor at that time, and I mentioned it to him. Umar wrote me to permit his pardon.”
Zurayq said, "I wrote to Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz also, ‘What do you think about a man who is slandered or his parents are slandered and both or only one of them are dead?’ He said, Umar wrote to me, ‘If he forgives, his pardon is permitted for himself. If his parents are slandered and one or both of them are dead, take the judgment of the Book of Allah for it unless he wants to veil it.’ "
Yahya said, “I heard Malik say, 'That is because the slandered man might fear that if that is unveiled about him, a clear proof might be established. If it is according to what we have described, his pardon is permitted.”
Ibrahim says: Which is what I did, but when you went on to say Muslims are using the Qur’an for their benefit only ( which you repeat down below also) . It was time I showed you the ropes or else I will become guilty of negating my responsibilities towards ensuring Islam is not misunderstood.
To try to convey the truth about how parents are forcing their daughter to marry someone she doesn’t want to, only because the person she wants to marry belongs to a different caste is slandering? I am not afraid of the truth to be unveiled before her father forces her to marry someone else (may Allah forbid), but I sure am afraid that if all this un-veils(may Allah forbid) after she’s been forcibly married to someone else(may Allah forbid).
The person who is most afraid if the truth gets unveiled is her mother, and this is why she has played it dirty against me so that she can hide her actions, because she is aware that if the truth is known to all, everyone will know that what the facts are. I am trying my best to get this across to her father, but I must admit, her mother has played it well.
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Regarding my claims about the father (caste) and mother (playing dirty), well it seems to me that you have vowed to misunderstand me!
Ibrahim says; brother do not jump to conclusions , Justice demands that the accused has a say and must be represented ( must be present when an accusation is being made against him/her or else the accuser is backbiting ) or else they can be no justice ONLY injustice.
I am not the one who’s started jumping to conlusions, it has been you. Re-read your posts and see them, its seems that you can jump to conclusions that too based on assumptions, but I cannot do so, even though it is evident that you are only running around in circles.
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What is it that you are finding difficulty in understanding my friend? please be specific! The main problem is the influence of family tradition on the father (caste). I didn’t want to discuss about the mother’s (playing dirty) part, and I only mentioned this after someone suggested that I should talk to the mother. I don’t like playing dirty. And I do not need you to feel sorry for me either. There is much more than what I’ve discussed here, and I never wanted to discuss so much, its only because your attitude was similar to those whom I’ve known that choose verses and hadith from the Quran and Sunnat that suits their claim and disregard those that are against them.
Ibrahim says; I made this clear in my earlier post. I will say it again, you were looking for advice in a particular scenario and you went one step further to accuse most Muslims who used the Qur’an and sunnah to assert their point…which is when I stepped in and showed you how you too have ended up doing the same ( read my first post)
I read your first post and I knew then that you are similar to those who use the Quran and sunnah to assert your point… I’ve therefore discussed the issue more clearly to you. Look at yourself, how you have avoided responding to so many other things that I have mentioned, and you chose only those that could be used against me. Nice try, keep up the good work.
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I know what has been going on in the past 4 years in this situation, and you don’t. Yet you’ve been believing about how things are, who’s right and who’s not, based on your assumptions which are inclined to a negative attitude. Your post was sending a different message, which was based on personal worldly experience. I had to give a brief summary of the whole event so that atleast you could stop believing in your false assumptions.
Ibrahim says; My response was based on the fact that you were accusing everyone in that family whilst not fully accepting your part in that affair . I was conveying to you what are your options is such scenarios.
There we go again. I have too explained to you that why its not me alone? I am a part of this and I admit, what else do you want me to admit? Why do you keep repeating? The options in such scenarios, my friend I don’t like doing this to you, please see what you’ve been writing.
I was trying to prevent a cycle of violence such affairs can lead to, showing you that the parents can claim innocence too. Such problems are not based on religion or race but has to do with “PRIDE” . This problem exist in all societies. I personally know of a Filipino Muslim, who having had a loved affair finally ended up eloping and marrying the girl and today living or more or less hiding with his family and children. His problem being if he was found by his wife’s tribe he will be killed but his wife and children have no problem in being entertained by the parents but a death sentence is on his head as long as he lives.
He is quite lucky but many others have tried this and whole families have been killed or their lives ruined on account of their pride.
I can assure you that in this scenario the parents can never claim innocence. They know what they’ve done wrong and people around them too are well aware of this.
Ok, so we get another topic, pride, EGO, well… what do you think was the problem that Satan had? So you suggest that if there is ‘pride’ involved in this situation, we should consider that its no use trying to get the right message across? Because it might end up in death of individuals. Shouldn’t a Muslim have faith in the fact that Death never comes before or after it is due?
I won’t get into details here, because it too might take a while when we really get to the point.
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Ibrahim wrote earlier:
“I am indeed sorry for you , But What I have been trying to convey to you in principal is that parents have to be respected and even when they are in error , we cannot start to rebel against them in such ways that will destroy the harmony of that home or teach others to become rebellious against their parents”
O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice as witnesses to Allah even as against yourselves or your parents or your kin and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts) lest ye swerve and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do. 4:135
Ibrahim says: this verse was revealed concerning the emigrants and is to be cross referenced to this ayat.
4: 33 To (benefit) everyone We have appointed sharers and heirs to property left by parents and relatives. To those also to whom your right hand was pledged give their due portion: for truly Allah is Witness to all things
Ibrahim says in other words When the emigration took place from Makkah to Madinah, bonds and links of brotherhood were established between the Emigrants and the Helpers, and they shared in each other’s inheritance. Later, when the Community was solidly established, and relations with those left behind in Makkah were resumed, the rights of blood-relations in Makkah, and the Helper-brethren in Madinah were both safeguarded. This is the particular meaning. The more general meaning is similar; respect your ties of blood, of neighbourhood, and of friendly compacts and understandings. Be just to all.
The general commentary for the verse you are quoting is Some people may be inclined to favor the rich, because they expect something from them. Some people may be inclined to favour the poor because they are generally helpless. Partiality in either case is wrong. Be just, without fear of favour. Both the rich and the poor are under Allah’s protection as far as their legitimate interests are concerned, but they cannot expect to be favoured at the expense of others. And He can protect their interests far better than any man.
Well, so a verse is being denied here! My friend are you aware of what this really means? I think everyone should be well aware of what’s going on here, You are denying that a verse is not applicable in this point of time! Why is it so hard for you to accept that parents being human beings can make mistakes too. Why? Its been made so clear that you should be JUST, even whether it is against yourself, your parents, your relatives…! Yet you are not able to accept this, it beats me! Look at yourself, you highlight certain words in a verse that you think are applicable to me, but in the same verse there are other words that are applicable to your stance and you have them in the normal text(not highlighted)
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We have enjoined on man kindness to parents: but if they (either of them) strive (to force) thee to join with Me (in worship) anything of which thou hast no knowledge obey them not. Ye have (all) to return to Me and I will tell you (the truth) of all that ye did. 29:8
Ibrahim says; Good that you quoted this verse now think as to what is being stressed here.
Commentary for above verse.
That is, no certainty. In matters of faith and worship, even parents have no right to force their children. They cannot and must not hold up before them any worship but that of the One True God.
Children and parents must all remember that they have all to go before Allah’s tribunal, and answer, each for his own deeds. In cases where one set of people have lawful authority over another set of people (as in the case of parents and children), and the two differ in important matters like that of Faith, the latter are justified in rejecting authority: the apparent conflict will be solved when the whole truth is revealed to all eyes in the final Judgment
Ibrahim says; This specifically applies to matters of faith, meaning if any of your parents told you, you must worship Christ or an idol than you have the right to reject them but in other matters you must show kindness to them.
What does worshipping mean? Doesn’t it mean to follow certain rules?
Her father wants her to follow a custom which is running in their family since the time their ancestors were Sikh, so if they claim that they are Muslims and still they follow certain traditions which they have not able to change even though Islam clearly disapproves of those traditions, isn’t it SHIRK? Her parents are enforcing her to obey to the custom of their ancestors who were Sikh! And you tell me that this is not considered SHIRK? My friend according to Islam she has the RIGHT to dis-obey her parents and you or even million’s like you cannot prove her wrong. Quran’s authentication is the responsibility of Allah, if this were not the case, MAN would have altered it just like they altered other Holy Books. You are only trying to avoid this truth being known to the majority that parents cannot force them to do anything according to Islam, you are trying only to keep your authority. Neither of us has chosen our gender, family, country of birth! Have you ever imagined yourself being born as a woman? Its all about dominance, and MAN has not let a chance pass by him ever. Her parents are enforcing their decision on her because she’s a female, and they have allowed their son to marry the girl of his choice even though she does’nt belong to their caste!
My friend if you
Now read!
31: 14 And We have enjoined on man (to be good) to his parents: in travail upon travail did his mother bear him and in years twain was his weaning: (hear the command) "Show gratitude to Me and to thy parents: to Me is (thy final) Goal.
17: 23 Thy Lord hath decreed that ye worship none but Him and that ye be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in thy life say not to them a word of contempt nor repel them but address them in terms of honor.
6: 151 Say: “Come I will rehearse what Allah hath (really) prohibited you from”: join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents: kill not your children on a plea of want; We provide sustenance for you and for them; come not nigh to shameful deeds whether open or secret; take not life which Allah hath made sacred except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you that ye may learn wisdom
Meaning Allah (swt) had ranked honoring , being good to ones parents the second most important thing to do in life
And you think that I am denying that it is not, my friend, you don’t seem to get it do you? DO NOT generalize this issue, I am referring to this girl’s parents, because what they are doing is NOT according to Islam! I am not asking your daughter to rebel against you for anything! I am only saying that PARENTS ARE HUMAN BEINGS TOO! Where is it mentioned in the Quran or give me any Hadith that says that PARENTS CAN NEVER MAKE MISTAKES!
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I am not against respecting parents ok? I believe that one should not support their parents if their parents are doing something which is in conflict with Islam. I believe In Allah, whole heartedly Alhamdolellah. I also believe that it is our decisions we make in life that are responsible for us being in heaven or hell-fire. I also believe that when we are tested, we have to make decisions based on the guidance of Allah. Islam educates us on being JUST, so if one has a test/trial and he/she has to make a decision, her/his decision should be JUST, even if it is against her/his PARENTS!
Ibrahim says; Agreed…now consider….how sure are you that you have been just in your actions , you have gone against norms and followed what was or is being practiced by the unbelievers , (I have already made it clear to you that , there is no caste system in Islam and your problem has to do with that tribes pride) . It is not you who will have to go against those parents but their own daughter and in so doing that whole family is going to end up a bad taste . Do you think that is just?
Where is the pride? its already gone, they are only trying to cover their lost pride by forcing her to marry a “Jatt” (may Allah forbid), they don’t care about the consequences because they can always blame the fate of their daughter to be this way, if (may Allah forbid) something turns out that way.
YES I think it is JUST. Because the excuse her parents have is not JUST! I am sure of this, very sure about this because I have seen, heard and felt that only this is the issue! Family Tradition!
Now find out the kind of example the Prophet showed Muslims
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Hadith 6.309 Narrated by Aisha
(the wife of the Prophet) when Allah’s Apostle was ordered to give option to his wives, he started with me, saying, “I am going to mention to you something, but you shall not hasten (to give your reply) unless you consult your parents.” The Prophet knew that my parents would not order me to leave him. Then he said, “Allah says: 'O Prophet (Muhammad)! Say to your wives: If you desire the life of this world and its glitter…a great reward.” (33.28-29) I said, “Then why I consult my parents? Verily, I seek Allah, His Apostle and the Home of the Hereafter.” Then all the other wives of the Prophet did the same as I did.
Ibrahim says; Notice how a married woman ( Prophet’s own wives) are advised to consult their parents on matters that may have serious implications in the woman’s life.
I repeat DO NOT GENERALIZE THIS! WHY can’t you understand?? HER PARENTS does not mean ALL PARENTS! WE HUMAN BEINGS ARE NOT SIMILAR!
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Hadith 8.4
Narrated by Abdullah bin Amr
Allah’s Apostle said. “It is one of the greatest sins that a man should curse his parents.” It was asked (by the people), “O Allah’s Apostle! How does a man curse his parents?” The Prophet said, “The man abuses the father of another man and the latter abuses the father of the former and abuses his mother.”
Have I been bit by a mad dog? They did something which is NOT JUST! Why should ignore what they did to me? I too am a HUMAN BEING, I too HAVE FEELINGS, I belong to a FAMILY too, I have a MOTHER too, she too has FEELINGS! Why do you keep ignoring this fact?
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Hadith 9.9 Narrated by Abdullah bin Amr
The Prophet said, “Al-Kaba’ir (the biggest sins) are: To join others (as partners) in worship with Allah, to be undutiful to one’s parents,” or said, “to take a false oath.” (The sub-narrator, Shu’ba is not sure) Mu’adh said: Shu’ba said, “Al-kaba’ir (the biggest sins) are: (1) Joining others as partners in worship with Allah, (2) to take a false oath (3) and to be undutiful to one’s parents,” or said, “to murder (someone unlawfully).”
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Hadith 1.505 Narrated by Abdullah
I asked the Prophet “Which deed is the dearest to Allah?” He replied, “To offer the prayers at their early stated fixed times.” I asked, “What is the next (in goodness)?” He replied, “To be good and dutiful to your parents.” I again asked, “What is the next (in goodness)?” He replied, “To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah’s cause.” 'Abdullah added, “I asked only that much and if I had asked more, the Prophet would have told me more.”
Ibrahim says: Now assuming you consider it just that you elope with their daughter and that person consider it just to accuse you of kidnapping their daughter and their tribe consider it just to declare war on your tribe and hunting you down and killing you, your parents and your tribe…how much justice or injustice can all this lead to?
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I hope you understand this, because after reading your posts, I can feel that this is what you are finding hard to believe. YOU think that I am teaching others to rebel against their parents? Well if one is right, he is right and when one is wrong he is wrong! Just like you say that when your intention is right then you have nothing to fear!
Ibrahim says; Hold on a minute , you are saying all this things and you are declaring yourself right, so far as the participants of this forum are concerned they only know what little they heard form you, From what I have presented earlier, there is considerable room for doubt, so If you feel you have won your case, by all means I cannot do anything to stop you from believing as such but no court will grant you a verdict just based on what you had to say about it.
I did not declare that I am right..“one is right, he is right and when one is wrong he is wrong!” I said that in response to your repeated claims that parents should always be allowed to make UNJUST decisions for their children and the children should keep on obeying them! You believe so, well does it change anything? Facts remain unchanged! Whether you believe them or not! You can satisfy only yourself by believing in your false assumptions! You believe that parents can NEVER make mistakes for their children on purpose, Parents do not have EGO? All this and more, I have tried to get this through you, but all in vain. You don’t seem to assimilate that according to the Quran, parents aren’t supposed to be obeyed if they are being UNJUST!
Is this a court? Who’s the Judge?
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The children should inform their parents about the mistake, because if their parents make that mistake, Allah shall punish them right? and I don’t think any child would like to see his/her parents being punished, or can they? SO I suggest that if the parents are wrong and the children know that they are then it is the children’s responsibility to inform their parents about the mistake their parents are making. Its not rebelling!! Its rebelling against Allah if you don’t stop your parents when they are doing something wrong, because a Muslim is obliged to spread the message of Islam and I don’t think that it is only to be spread to non-Muslims alone, or someone who’s younger to you.
Ibrahim says; Brother, that man had been married for 27 years and lived his life and brought up his children , his experiences and trails are more then you on this planet. Sure he is wrong in his desire to chose a good husband for his daughter which is against his daughter’s will but you nor her will be able to preach to him, just because you have some needs/desires. The procedure here is to approach the problem in a manner that can be accepted by him. Force is not the solution and never is. The “approach” to solving the problem had been dealt with by me and others on this forum BUT you seem to be looking for vengeance ( I hope I am wrong) and you, due to your youth as well as to his rejection of you should not be the person to approach him on such matters.
Vengeance? when did I claim that I had certain intentions?
Members of my family did approach him, and guess what, he does not want to go against his family’s tradition, about marrying a girl from their family to a boy who belongs to a different caste!
Is his objection VALID IN ISLAM? If NO, then what’s the alternative? When the father is not willing to listen to his elder brother even, who doesn’t seem to have any problem with this situation!
I don’t understand why is it so hard for you to accept that this is not made up!
I am an adult, the girl is an adult and we intend to marry each other, we have informed about our intentions to our parents and still they are objecting because of this tradition they have!
You and many other’s have suggested that I should IGNORE the PAST! and forget about the whole issue and let the father do what he likes! Because Islam suggests that one should not dis-obey his/her parents even if they are being UNJUST!
Consider this……….
Sunan of Abu-Dawood Hadith 2524 Narrated by AbuSa’id al-Khudri
A man emigrated to the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) from the Yemen. He asked (him): Have you anyone (of your relatives) in the Yemen? He replied: My parents. He asked: Did they permit you? He replied: No. He said: Go back to them and ask for their permission. If they permit you, then fight (in the path of Allah), otherwise be devoted to them.
Second informing, pleading, advising is one thing and telling, demanding is another but you sound very much like demanding ( in this forum) and that is why I say it amounts to rebellion. now read what Allah (swt) said. say not to them ( parents) a word of contempt nor repel them but address them in terms of honor.
So the warning is clear…it has to with how it is to be approached…and that is why I suggested you get some elders or imam or the jamath to handle this. Not people whom he may consider are still in their youth, especially someone who is against his judgment.
Consider this…………
Al-Tirmidhi Hadith Hadith 4933 Narrated by Abdullah ibn Amr
Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said, “He who casts up the favours he has done, he who is disobedient to parents, and he who is addicted to wine will not enter Paradise.”
Nasa’i and Darimi transmitted it.
Why don’t you try considering those which I have posted which are directly relevant to the issue which is being discussed!
Tell me about chosing verses and hadith that suits them!
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“Marriage is the foundation for society anything that undermines it can only lead to ruin ( check out the western society) and cannot be encouraged in Islam. I hope you will be able to learn patience and be able to remove this feelings that you seem to be having against those who may have rejected you unjustly.”
I agree that it is the foundation for society, but if the foundation is based on a lie, how do you expect the building to last?
Ibrahim says; Are you claiming all marriages are based on lies or you believe , if who ever you love ended up marrying any other ( forced or otherwise) it becomes a lie?
Ofcourse it does when you hide about your past! Its indecent, insincere! Imagine your happy marriage gets ruined if someone disclosed about your past to your spouse! Don’t tell me that it doesn’t change anything, I am as human as you are, and a man too..! So use your imagination here!
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When there is no sincerity, honesty, trust, genuinity (your words) in this marriage, how do you think it will nurture? Its like taking it for granted. Do you think the relationship would grow? Have you ever thought about the effects it will have on the children?
Ibrahim says; All these are the ingredients to nurture relationships ( any relationship) But Do you know there are societies on this planet which still practice kidnapping a bride for themselves ? now this is similar to eloping but in such societies vengeance is not practiced and because it is their custom it is tolerated but that is not the case for you. I am not saying it is alright but you just do not seem to understand even love marriages can end up in divorces and many people are living together because they have no other choice.
(meaning they are enduring their trials with patience and nurturing it as they know best)
Generalizing again! anyways. Atleast they can’t blame anyone for the choice they’ve made! It’s so odd that someone else makes a decision for your life, without even considering your feelings! And then if (may Allah Forbid) something happens that person who made that decision for you says (Allah wanted this to happen this way, Don’t blame me, IT was IN your FATE). And if the decision turns out to be a good one, they say (See I was RIGHT)!
What these people fail to understand is that its their decisions which’ll decide where they are headed to, heaven or hell, yet they keep blaming Allah(SWT) for everything that goes wrong after they make a decision!
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Are you really concerned with what this could lead to? your observation in this matter is not favorable in the long run.
Ibrahim says; So, all people must agree with you? This is like saying “you are with us or you are with the terrorists”
No! So all people must agree with you!, because you have assumptions based on false beliefs and personal worldly experience.
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I am not afraid of death, it’ll come when its due, not before nor after. I would rather test this person, rather than watch him do wrong.
Ibrahim says; am I stopping you? Testing a person is Allah (swt) absolute will and prerogative ours is only to convey what is right and forbid what is wrong. We do such things by making the right “approach”.
Yes you want me to stop and forgive them for being unjust to me!
And what makes you think that my approach is not RIGHT?
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So they’ll not change overnight, but will they ever change if those who know that they are doing wrong keep on supporting them? Are we waiting for miracles here or what? We know that what they’re doing is incorrect, then why are we so helpless in correcting them? WHY? Aren’t the Muslim’s obliged to do that?
Ibrahim says: Simple! because Not everyone will be having this problem and people who may have come across such problems go about doing the things (like eloping/rebelling/inciting feuds ) not realizing that such problems can only be solved in the manner it is addressed/approached, not by accusing the person but by doing dawah in a respectful manner. Hence when I suggested you bring this matter to an imam that person is familiar to or their jamath leaders, you don’t seem to understand too well. What else you expect others to do? If he is in this forum, maybe some of us can talk with him, but am sure that is not the case , right?
If I were to even consider (like eloping/rebelling/inciting feuds ) would I be here? I want to get this problem out of our Society for GOOD! What makes you think that I expected someone to help me sort out this issue for me! You’ve got me wrong my friend! Very wrong!
Her father does not understand his own elder brother, he didn’t understand my family members!
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Educate children, is a solution true, but when the husband and wife have interest in life, when they are happy with their marriage life, when they trust their spouses, and are sincere to them and when they are honest, and when the relationship is genuine. When the marriage has taken place how Allah has guided, the chosen bride/groom were chosen based on their CHARACTER, not, because of FAMILY STATUS, FORTUNE, BEAUTY! NOT when its the opposite. It can never happen, we’ll continue having problems like this! I hope you don’t have a problem in understanding this! I’ll be more than glad to make it easy for you to do so.
Ibrahim says; If you honesty want to believe what you want to believe, so be it. But Allah (swt) conveyed to all of mankind the following
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22: 14 Verily Allah will admit those who believe and work righteous deeds to Gardens beneath which rivers flow: for Allah carries out all that He plans.
15 If any think that Allah will not help him (His Apostle) in this world and the Hereafter let him stretch out a rope to the ceiling and cut (himself) off: then let him see whether his plan will remove that which enrages (him)!
And the Prophet (pbuh) conveyed
Al-Tirmidhi Hadith Hadith 4941 Narrated by Abu Umamah
A man said, “Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) what rights can parents demand from their children?” He replied, “They are your Paradise and your Hell.”
Ibn Majah transmitted it.