Salamz, have had this discussion with some friens, in an appropriate seen-from-islam-point-of-view manner. Is it considered unlawful to see the private parts of one spouse? Or is it permissible ? Never actually read something that directly prohibits it with a reference to some ayat or hadith. Is there another thread enlightning this topic ?
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interesting topic...
I dont see why it would be prohibited
I mean gosh.... the feel almost everything so why not see it?
But I am not an expert (i know shame on me)
I'd love to find the answer though
an excerpt from the "messangers of allah" thread in this forum:
"When they both tasted of the tree, their private parts became manifest to each other and they both began to cover themselves with the leaves of the trees (in the garden), and their Lord called them saying: Did I not forbid you both from that tree and tell you that Satan was your avowed enemy. They said: Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If you forgive us not and bestow not upon us Your mercy, we shall surely be of the losers." (7: 23, 24)
They covered their parts as a symbolic act, or from each other ?
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this verse has nothing to do with intimacy between a husband and wife; they dont have to hide themselves from each other.
i wont post articles here but i suggest you check out www.themodernreligion.com
and under the list of topics, look at “sex”
hopefully the articles posted there will be of help to you.
another good site is www.islam.org
“Amor Fati”
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finally.. a subject that interests me
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lemme voice my opnion on this. i consider myself almost an expert on such issues as i have done a lot of reading relating to this
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why ? cuz i’m engaged and getting married within a year so i’d like to know whats allowed and whats not
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ok..seeing each others private parts.. thats sorta like a grey area. I’ve read that husband and wife can shower/bathe togater, they can be nude in front of each other, but at the same place, i read that its suggested that we dont do this, cuz it weakens the eyesight (?), so i guess the activites mentioned before are supposed to be done in dim lighting..
also, i read that different schools of thought have different intereptations. Like, for oral sex, one school says no, the other says, its not haram, but frowned upon, anotehr one says, its ok as long as it leads to sex, and another point of view is its all good..
so whats the bottom line? frankly.. i don’t know..
Maria i agree, logoon ko kiya hogaiya hai, everyone is bored and that is making them grumpy…anyways getting back to the topic, i read that the couple should never be totally naked, even during intercourse, they should atleast cover some, i don’t know the exact thing, hey let me find the book, i’ll tell you as soon as i find it
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Nomaan bhai, ok i have a question, and for everyone i'm not a pervert, i would also like to know what is right and what is wrong...ok so my question, you said that in some places it says oral sex is allowed and in others it says it's not, what about the Quran???? Does it say anything in it, about having oral sex??? Oh yeah and same thing with masterbating(did i spell it right?) Some books say it's haraam, others say that if it prevents you to fornicate, or the other reason was if you don't have enough money to get married(which i don't really understand) then materbating is ok, so same question, what does the Quran say????
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Nice reply noman! Like u I have the same thinking. Getting married is a big step for me 2, therefore I started thinking about such issues. You are right about the diversity on this issue. But however, it seemed to me as the prevailing thought was that between wife and husband a lot of things are allowed, except for those explicitly prohibited. Man and wife are to enjoy each other in seeing, tasting, smelling, touching, feeling. One thing that made me think this was that there wasn't any reference to any hadeth addressing this manner directly. Read some Sahih Bukhari hadeeth saying Hazrat Aisha (ra) and Prophet (PBUH) bathed together. And another where Hazrat Aisha narrated to never have seen the private parts of Prophet (PBUH). Despite the latter hadith, I have the personal belief that nakedness is allowed, as long its done in a "respectful" way. Maybe weird to say it, but you who have some thoughts about this issue get my point.
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the "modern religion" link i posted has really useful information...u should take a look at it if ur really interested and want to know more than just what others think.
"Amor Fati"
as far as oral sex is conserned the matter isn’t addressed in Quran directly, as ordinary intercourse and sexual positions are (surah baqarah 222). About masturbating a majority of articles i read prohibited it, reference to quran you say? dont know.
And noman i think it was masturbating which lead to weak eyesight. www.islam.org, www.islam-qa.com, www.musalman.com.
My motto is dont listen to ppl. Read for urself, and come to more coherent conclusion.
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i just took like an hour reading stuff in the modernreligion website.
basically, Quran doesn't say anything about both oral sex and mastrubation.
From what i've read, oral sex (married couple only)seems more acceptable than mastrubation. mastrubation has been placed in a weird category. The opnion seems to be like, that its not haraam, but detestible, but if it prevents a person from commiting a bigger sin (zina), then its ok (barely).
one more thing to add.. mastrubation between couple is legit..
www.islam.tc is also a very good site..
click on the “ASK the Imam” section, and under subtopic Marriage.
ppl write to him and he answers. its all anonymous. i’ve asked him a few
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and he takes like a week to get to them..
this specific iman seems to be against mastrubation. what boggles my mind is that he usually answers almost evey question in a few line, but whenever someone asks him about mastrubation, he cut n pastes this 10 page long reply, which in my opnion is very vague and contains nothing specifically relating to the issue..
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Originally posted by nomaan:
**i just took like an hour reading stuff in the modernreligion website.
basically, Quran doesn't say anything about both oral sex and mastrubation.
From what i've read, oral sex (married couple only)seems more acceptable than mastrubation. mastrubation has been placed in a weird category. The opnion seems to be like, that its not haraam, but detestible, but if it prevents a person from commiting a bigger sin (zina), then its ok (barely).
one more thing to add.. mastrubation between couple is legit..**
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Nomaan; masturbation being allowed is only a hanafi interpretation. All other schools of thought, including the Jafferia school have said that it is strictly prohibited.
thats not what i read. all 4 schools that i read about had different opnions..like i mentioned.. i dont remember where i read it, but i'll try and find it for you
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Originally posted by appkiamaanat:
*Nomaan bhai, ok i have a question, and for everyone i'm not a pervert, i would also like to know what is right and what is wrong...ok so my question, you said that in some places it says oral sex is allowed and in others it says it's not, what about the Quran???? Does it say anything in it, about having oral sex??? Oh yeah and same thing with masterbating(did i spell it right?) Some books say it's haraam, others say that if it prevents you to fornicate, or the other reason was if you don't have enough money to get married(which i don't really understand) then materbating is ok, so same question, what does the Quran say????
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dear APPKIAMANAT,
just think for a moment while having sex or while masturbating , does anybody harm anyone???
i dont think so they are healthy activities in marriage or out of marriage as far as they are saftly done i mean with knowledge of Sexually transmitted diseases,
According to a psychiatrist sex and masturbation are not only good for health they are good for the body and soul.
as far as oral sex and other beautiful rituals of sex are concerned they are a good way of relaxing only if they are away from perversions i.e. BDSM etc etc.
a straight couple can and should have regular sexual activity for the betterment of their mind biody and soul.
as far as religion is concerened than you must understand that our religion teaches love and respect, and oral sex is a form of respect to the human body.
trust me illitrate muslims and mullahas have twisted the real islam,
thus enjoy life as much as possible with your strong belief in your self and each and every action of your thus keep the guilt away form you.
the main topis is interisting but my friend AMIGO, try out your self both the ( in dark without removing all cloths and otherwise) ways and see which one suits you for maximum satisfaction. and ENJOY life. the important point is the satisfaction and pleasure linked with health sexual activity.
enjoy your fantasies, and feel happy.
i agree with doctor to an extent, I have come across a lot of authentic Islamic literature that says sex is good for humans and not just for procreation. It should be a source of enjoyment for both husband and wife. Outside of marriage, its strictly haraam though, no ifs ands or buts about it!
Al-Imran-3:160 **~~"If Allah helps you, none can overcome you: If He forsakes you, who is there, after that, that can help you? in Allah, then, Let believers put their trust."~~ **
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**Salamz, have had this discussion with some friens, in an appropriate seen-from-islam-point-of-view manner. Is it considered unlawful to see the private parts of one spouse? Or is it permissible ? Never actually read something that directly prohibits it with a reference to some ayat or hadith. Is there another thread enlightning this topic ?
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It seems to me that the intention of the Koran was only to forbid things, for which there was a very good reason to do so.
Can you think of a good reason why this would be forbidden? What do you feel is reasonable? If you see your wife in a state of undress, is something bad likely to come of it?
I'm just curious to understand what you think... aside from what religion might say.
pilot's right.
i dont why anyone would think Islam forbids a husband and wife seeing each other undressed. Its perfectly halaal.
Al-Imran-3:160 **~~"If Allah helps you, none can overcome you: If He forsakes you, who is there, after that, that can help you? in Allah, then, Let believers put their trust."~~ **