Many Muslims Turn to Home Schooling, NYT article?

what do you feel that this article is saying and is it truly reflective of Muslim parents?

share your thoughts if you like.

best,
Dushwari

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/us/26muslim.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=all
March 26, 2008

Many Muslims Turn to Home Schooling
By NEIL MacFARQUHAR
LODI, Calif. — Like dozens of other Pakistani-American girls here, Hajra Bibi stopped attending the local public school when she reached puberty, and began studying at home.
Her family wanted her to clean and cook for her male relatives, and had also worried that other American children would mock both her Muslim religion and her traditional clothes.
“Some men don’t l! ike it when you wear American clothes — they don’t think it is a good thing for girls,” said Miss Bibi, 17, now studying at the 12th-grade level in this agricultural center some 70 miles east of San Francisco. “You have to be respectable.”
Across the United States, Muslims who find that a public school education clashes with their religious or cultural traditions have turned to home schooling. That choice is intended partly as a way to build a solid Muslim identity away from the prejudices that their children, boys and girls alike, can face in schoolyards. But in some cases, as in Ms. Bibi’s, the intent is also to isolate their adolescent and teenage daughters from the corrupting influences that they see in much of American life.
About 40 percent of the Pakistani and other Southeast Asian girls of high school age who are enrolled in the district here are home-schooled, though broader statistics on the number of Muslim children being home-schooled, and how well they do academically, are elusive. Even estimates on the number of all American children being taught at home swing broadly, from one million to two million.
No matter what the faith, parents who make the choice are often inspired by a belief that public schools are havens for social ills like drugs and that they can do better with their children at home.
“I don’t want the behavior,” said Aya Ismael, a Muslim mother home-schooling four children near San Jose. “Little girls are walking around dressing like hoochies, cursing and swearing and showing disrespect toward their elders. In Islam we believe in respect and dignity and honor.”
Still, the subject of home schooling is a contentious one in various Muslim communities, with opponents arguing that Muslim children are better off staying in the system and, if need be, fighting for their rights.
Robina Asghar, a Muslim who does social work in Stockton, Calif., says the fact that her son was repeatedly branded a “terrorist” in school hallways sharpened his interest in civil rights and inspired a dream to become a lawyer. He now attends a Catholic high school.
“My son had a hard time in school, but every time something happened it was a learning moment for him,” Mrs. Asghar said. “He learned how to cope. A lot of people were discriminated against in this country, but the only thing that brings change is education.”
Many parents, however, would rather their children learn in a less difficult environment, and opt to keep them home.
Hina Khan-Mukhtar decided to tutor her three sons at home and to send them to a small Muslim school cooperative established by some 15 Bay Area families for subjects like Arabic, science and carpentry. She made up her mind after visiting her oldest son’s prospective public school kindergarten, where each pupil had assembled a scrapbook titled “Why I Like Pigs.” Mrs. Khan-Mukhtar read with dismay what the children had written about the delicious taste of pork, barred by Islam. “I remembered at that age how important it was to fit in,” she said.
Many Muslim parents contacted for this article were reluctant to talk, saying Muslim home-schoolers were often portrayed as religious extremists. That view is partly fueled by the fact that Adam Gadahn, an American-born spokesman for Al Qaeda, was home-schooled in rural California.
“There is a tendency to make home-schoolers look like antisocial fanatics who don’t want their kids in the system,” said Nabila Hanson, who argues th! at most home-schoolers, like herself, make an extra effort to find their children opportunities for sports, music or field trips with other people.
Lodi’s Muslims also attracted unwanted national attention when one local man, Hamid Hayat, was sentenced last year to 24 years in prison on a terrorism conviction that his relatives say was largely due to a fabricated confession. (Had he been more Americanized, they say, he would have known to ask for a lawyer as soon as the F.B.I. appeared.)
Parents who home-school tend to be converts, Mrs. Khan-Mukhtar said. Immigrant parents she has encountered generally oppose the idea, seeing educational opportunities in America as a main reason for coming.
If so, then Fawzia Mai Tung is an exception, a Chinese Muslim immigrant who home-schools three daughters in Phoenix. She spent many sleepless nights worried that her children would not excel on standardized tests, until she discovered how low the scores at the local schools were. Her oldest son, also home-schooled, is now applying to medical school.
In some cases, home-schooling is used primarily as a way to isolate girls like Miss Bibi, the Pakistani-American here in Lodi.
Some 80 percent of the city’s 2,500 Muslims are Pakistani, and many are interrelated villagers who try to recreate the conservative social atmosphere back home. A decade ago many girls were simply shipped back to their villages once they reached adolescence.
“Their families want them to retain their culture and not become Americanized,” said Roberta Wall, the principal of the district-run Independent School, which supervises home schooling in Lodi and where home-schooled students attend weekly hourlong tutorials.
Of more than 90 Pakistani or other Southeast Asian girls of high school age who are enrolled in the Lodi district, 38 are being home-schooled. By contrast, just 7 of the 107 boys are being home-schooled, and usually the reason is that they were falling behind academically.
As soon as they finish their schooling, the girls are married off, often to cousins brought in from their families’ old villages.
The parents “want their girls safe at home and away from evil things like boys, drinking and drugs,” said Kristine Leach, a veteran teacher with the Independent School.
The girls follow the regular high school curriculum, squeezing in study time among housework, cooking, praying and reading the Koran. The teachers at the weekly tutorials occasionally crack jokes of the “what, are your brothers’ arms broken?” variety, but in general they tread lightly, sensing that their students obey family and tradition because they have no alternative.
“I do miss my friends,” Miss Bibi said of fellow students with whom she once attended public school. “We would hang out and do fun things, help each other with our homework.”
But being schooled apart does have its benefit, she added. “We don’t want anyone to point a finger at us,” she said, “to say that we are bad.”
Mrs. Asghar, the Stockton woman who argues against home schooling, takes exception to the idea of removing girls from school to preserve family honor, calling it a barrier to assimilation.
“People who think like this are stuck in a time capsule,” she said. “When kids know more than their parents, the parents lose control. I think that is a fear in all of us.”
Aishah Bashir, now an 18-year-old Independent School student, was sent back to Pakistan when she was 12 and stayed till she was 16. She had no education there.
Asked about home schooling, she said it was the best choice. But she admitted that the choice was not hers and, asked if she would home-school her own daughter, stared mutely at the floor. Finally she said quietly: “When I have a daughter, I want her to learn more than me. I want her to be more educated.”

Re: Many Muslims Turn to Home Schooling, NYT article?

I know muslims parents who home school their kids, and muslim parents who don't. I guess it all boils down to the way you think, and that's what the article above portrays. The only problem with articles is that there are generalizations and personal opinions that get added on to interviews.

Personally, I prefer to send my daughters to school. I want them to associate with kids their own age and experience competition. Regarding Islamic values, I cannot protect my kids 100% but only provide such a solid foundation at home that their ability to distinguish between what is considrered right and wrong in our religion becomes fine tuned.

Re: Many Muslims Turn to Home Schooling, NYT article?

excellent perspective, Niksik.

this makes perfect sense.

home schooling is good to a certain age, which means that parents have to be educated. but eventually sending young children to schools is impt.
so that they can have a sense of the society and learn to grow up as accomplished and capable professionals and citizens.

may Allah swt enable young parents with all wisdom and luck to raise children ethically well grounded and practical, regardless of how times and social situations or trends are influencing, in any country - Pakistan or USA.

best,
Dushwari

Re: Many Muslims Turn to Home Schooling, NYT article?

This contrast is all one need to look at to see what the real dynamic driving this is. It proves all that talk about preserving culture, easier learning environmnet etc is either bs or post fact rationalization

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stircrasy,

if it is not a propaganda, then it is a social complex of issues due to which an utter loss is being borne for many years, by the nation state, communities and families where in female children are unable to study throughout their girlhood and adolescence when they should be getting educated. it is not about the competition between genders, it is about the collateral damage of the same boys and girls cohort that tomorrow at some point will become an incompatible pool of world human capital who is unskilled on the one hand and incapable of thinking and making decision on their own on the other.

with that, if these boys and girls were to become partners tomorrow, they will be incompatible as two people too.

and thus at every level there will be disaster while the country and the society and the lives of people.

what is the solution?
there has got to be some and fast fool proof ones.

best,
Dushwari

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[quote]
LODI, Calif. — Like dozens of other Pakistani-American girls here, Hajra Bibi stopped attending the local public school when she reached puberty, and began studying at home.
Her family wanted her to clean and cook for her male relatives, and had also worried that other American children would mock both her Muslim religion and her traditional clothes.
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The first reason was cooking and cleaning for male relatives? Is this common? Girls have to cook and clean for other male relatives?

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I hope we're talking about the same contrast and dynamic. I don't think it is any gender competition causing this (though it may result in one!) but rather a certain type of people simply think it is ok for boys to get into girl trouble because they don't conceive. It is simply a softer version of honor killing.

Americans do home schooling for a variety of reasons and yes some of them are not so noble. But the handful of home schooled kids I have come across are not in any way inferior in social skills. because even though they were home schooled, they still had a social life

So it becomes what is actually imparted in the 'home school' and what is curtailed.

I think the numbers are pretty low for it to become a crisis but 1 million is not negligible either

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I’ve heard of parents who want to home-school b/c they think their children willl hae better quality of education…no doubt that will be true. **but to home school only daughters so that they can only cook and clean is just sad. **Even most immigrants admit they come to this country for educational opportunities, the ones who keep em at home… simply pathetic :nook:

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I'd teach my kids @ home...I see the lanatt coming...or waise bi school meyn kiya paraa te hain? more than half of it is BS you never need again in Life! Biology piyar se or tareeke se meyn bhi sikasakta hoon...Is it normal that a teacher comes into the class with a banana and a condom and shows us how to use it? f'ck...

do I need anything of physics, chemistry as long as I don't want to become a scientist? I can teach the basics at home, too.

It is all about education, love, sacrifice...I'll be there @anytime for my kids insha'allah...I don't wanna be like my dad, but if my kids wanna go to school, they can why not...it's their choice...I can only guide..

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Very interesting thread.

I think Homeschooling is best for children and those ho can teach their children at home should go for it.
Though I dislike the reason for homeschooling the girls to only train them to do house cleaning and cooking.
At the age of 12, boys and girls both should be able to clean their bedroom and make breakfast.

The reason why I’d like to homeschool my boys, because the failure of current education system that has been unable to produce individuals with independant thinking.
The purpose of homeschooling is to learn for the sake of learning and education and not for getting high marks and grades in exams.

I also agree with you, if children get proper *tarbiyah, *attention and religious values from their parents they do better at school than others who don’t get attention from their parents.

The research shows that homeschooled children are better at social skills than the schooled children, the reason for this can be that in schools children stay for 8 hours with the other children of their age but in other case homeschooled children spend more time with their parents, siblings and family members of different ages.
It is obvious that children will learn manners from adults and not from the other children of their age.
There are plenty of example of great people like Abraham Lincon and others who were homeschooled.

InshaAllah.
Do you have any kids?
There is a lot more about the benefits of homeschooling and about the failure of current education system, here are some links for the articles you can find and read.

There are also some good books on homeschooling:
Dumbing Us Down by Jhon Taylor Gatto
The End of Education by Neil Postman
And
http://www.alhambraproductions.com/educating-your-child-in-modern-times-set.html

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good joke coming from you. Same old story - failures always blame the system

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I have heard that schools in Pak discourage creativity and independent thinking but I dont know that firsthand. Schools in the US definitely encourage and develop it.

Home schooling is a very serious undertaking which requires much dedication and a talent for it. For those who do it right, it sounds like it works very well. I have a feeling that there arent as many success stories there though.

Those who home-school in order to avoid socialization of their kids in their local community is a bad thing to do. Isolationism breeds contempt and does nothing good for the child. They need to learn how to live in their society, they need to learn how to make good choices. A supportive parent can raise an upstanding citizen even in the lesser school districts by being vigilant and dedicated to teaching their kids right from wrong. Isolating them from their peers can result in having a young adult thrust into a world where are are all kinds of bad choices they can make which they've never been exposed to.

I'll stick to public school for now.

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It's not my opinion......it's the opinion and analysis of social experts and educationists.
Just talk to any teacher in UK and USA and watch them complaining about changing of curriculums by politicians every year only to gain good grades and marks, the aim should be to teach children for the sake of education not to gain higher marks otherwise the pupils would be becoming dumber and dumber.

Just compare the difference between Harry Potter and writings of Mrs. Potter and Kipling before ranting.

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Yeah like they encourage socialization in schools and that's why USA is at the top of the list in violence and murder incidents in schools in the whole world.

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I don't know about how these things work in the UK, but I will tell you how it works here in my county in the USA.Actually I am pretty well involved in our school board as well as some township committees. So I will go one better than talking to some teachers, I actually know and deal with the politicians.

The first thing I will tell you is that politicians have very little influence on the curriculum. There are specialized committees of educators and experts in various fields that determine that. School boards implement that. Teachers are the ones that make the proposals and suggestions to this process, though anyone can.

The breadth and depth of what an interested student can take up and accomplish in the US high school is quite amazing. (are you in the US? just ask in the school board). Depending upon your child's interest, beyond the basic core subjects, you have lot more choice. Within that breadth, for many subjects, depending upon your child's level, there is regular, accelerated, advanced etc levels. Even though I consider my high school in India to be good and challenging, the ones I know here are a lot better that way.

I also know it is not the same quality in all districts. A high school located in a down-trodden neighborhood will devote more resources to their core subjects (which are taken for granted in the affluent areas) and offer fewer additional subjects. I know these things somewhat first hand too since I am a unpaid consultant for one such 'sister' school boards we are helping.

But even there, by definition, they offer more choice of breadth and depth than any normal home schooling can.

But I don't object to home schooling as long as it is done for the right reasons and most importantly, done correctly. For example, keeping a girl at home because the parent is worried about boy troubles is a wrong reason - because it shows lack of trust and also deprives the girl of learning to deal with situations.

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^I didn't say that politicians make curriculums....but they do stress on gaining high grades through tests. UK is at top in countries where most tests are required to be taken from children. Also, formal education starts from the age of 5-6 in the UK and USA whereas some European countries have abolished this system and their formal education starts after the age of seven. You can do a research on internet about the harms related to the start of early formal education. When you talk to teachers do you ask them how they feel about the changing in the curriculum every year. Do they feel happy about it or do they show their concerns?
I suggest you to read "Hidden Curriculum" (its about American Education).

PS: I'm in the UK.

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I was talking about curriculum, about how and what they teach the kids, creativity as opposed to rote learning. From my understanding, pak is very concentrated on test scores and amount of knowledge. In US, there is much more of a focus on development of interests, creativity etc. Whats better? Thats up to the parent to decide I guess. As far as incidents of violence, its a very sad thing that is and needs to be addressed but that was not the topic here.

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The one point that hareem makes that I agree with is the fatal violent incidents in some schools. We can all have a lot of theories as to why but in general I cannot understand the ease with which guns can be obtained in this country.

When the right to own fire arms was written, people had to protect themselves because the civil defence agencies were very sparsely staffed. The society was almost totally religious, drugs, divorce and social isolation, violent tv etc were unknown.

This is one law that should be changed and I think those americans that are arguing for guns are partly to blame

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I don't think topic of this thread is to compare Pakistani education standards with America either.
For some parents who wants to send their children to public schools the reason is "socialization".
but on the other hand, for some parents, incidents of violence and bullying in schools come under anti social behaviour.
33 children getting killed every year in USA schools might be another reason for parents avoiding public schools besides other reasons.

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The law is working in the UK and if you see there is only one or two violence involved incidents in the UK schools after 1990's.
I agree that other things including policies regarding censorship of showing violence through media needs to be changed.