re: Many killed in Lahore in an attack on Ahmadi Masjid
Inna Lillahi Wa Inna Ilayhi Rajioon.
Sad.... :(
re: Many killed in Lahore in an attack on Ahmadi Masjid
It’s good to see that, even after single-handedly creating this mess, the Islamists are opportunistically trying to use even this tragedy for their benefit:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010\05\29\story_29-5-2010_pg7_34
I removed some pressure and asked him why he had killed so many innocent people. He replied that it was his mission to eradicate all infidels from Pakistan. I could not converse with him further after hearing him say that,” stated Nabeel.
We are on our way to become Sudan, Inna Lillahi Wa Inn Ilayhi Rajioun.
re: Many killed in Lahore in an attack on Ahmadi Masjid
^ not just Sudan, Somaila (al-shahab - ask Cricplaya about it) too.
I don’t know when will we understand and take responsibility for the mess our General’s have created (may all of them burn in hell including their families too).
A retired Lt. General is among the killed.
A column in today’s Jang which in indirectly related to this mess we are in:
We are on our way to become Sudan, Inna Lillahi Wa Inn Ilayhi Rajioun.
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I’m sure you’d accept such bad-duas with open arms from the families of Generals? (same generals who served the same country and army you proudly claim to support)
We are on our way to become Sudan, Inna Lillahi Wa Inn Ilayhi Rajioun.
On our Way?
I think we are well past Sudan.
We have entered the territory of Iraq in 2006 and 2007.
re: Many killed in Lahore in an attack on Ahmadi Masjid
Why is everyone so angry? Don't our laws say that Qadiyanis are worse than human? Don't we hear frequently that Qadiyanis are wajib-ul-qatl from maulvis during khutbas? Don't we have dedicated groups like Khatm-e-Nabuwat that are solely focused on eliminated Qadiyanis and similar groups from the face of the earth?
How many of us have NOT had encounters with seemingly educated fellow Pakistanis, maybe even relatives and friends, who claim that they want to see Qadiyanis and other such murtids killed?
It is clear who the killers are - they must be backed by CIA, Mossad and RAW!
I'm sure you'd accept such bad-duas with open arms from the families of Generals? (same generals who served the same country and army you proudly claim to support)
You should be out celebrating for job well...err jihad will done by your comrades.
Why is everyone so angry? Don't our laws say that Qadiyanis are worse than human? Don't we hear frequently that Qadiyanis are wajib-ul-qatl from maulvis during khutbas? Don't we have dedicated groups like Khatm-e-Nabuwat that are solely focused on eliminated Qadiyanis and similar groups from the face of the earth?
How many of us have NOT had encounters with seemingly educated fellow Pakistanis, maybe even relatives and friends, who claim that they want to see Qadiyanis and other such murtids killed?
It is clear who the killers are - they must be backed by CIA, Mossad and RAW!
That is exactly the point I was making on previous page. Qadiyanis have been under sate sanctioned target of persecution for last 30+ years and most of us just looked the other way &bsaid...oh well thats how things are.
Btw, I have never understood why Pakistani state feels so threatened that it has go out of way to persecute a religious minority to this level when no other Muslim country does that? It is shame, and after mass murder yesterday by Islamist terrorists scumbags, we should all hang our head in shame. Its disgusting to say the least.
Nothing excuses the attack that took place on Friday. It was shameful however its happened now. The only thing that the authorities can do is make sure the people who will do these things are crushed. It will take time. it will take years, decades possibly.
There is even the possibility that the terrorists are so strong that they may even break Pakistan iin the process. *The more Pakistan drags itself into America's war the more it will also burn. *
I dont know the drama queens on this forum are jumping up and down hysterically., The number and frequency of terrorist attacks in both KP and Punjab, which were heavily targeted has decreased dramatically. In Peshawar there were attacks/bomb blasts every other day and in Lahore probably weekly.
It is not perfect but its much better than before. People blamethe state, the establishment but it is them who cleaned most of this mess up.
Why is everyone so angry? Don't our laws say that Qadiyanis are worse than human? Don't we hear frequently that Qadiyanis are wajib-ul-qatl from maulvis during khutbas? Don't we have dedicated groups like Khatm-e-Nabuwat that are solely focused on eliminated Qadiyanis and similar groups from the face of the earth?
How many of us have NOT had encounters with seemingly educated fellow Pakistanis, maybe even relatives and friends, who claim that they want to see Qadiyanis and other such murtids killed?
It is clear who the killers are - they must be backed by CIA, Mossad and RAW!
firstly it isnt in the law but society, based on law it simply says they arent muslims and cant be called and behave like muslims..
it is in our society and lots of distortions that had been fed in us about them..
we daemonize them, we get surprised when we know xyz is qadiani i.e even yesterday while this was happening somebody told me xyz celebrity is qadiani i said does it matter much?
this is not what zia did but what bhutto did he was balckmailed by mullahs he gave them more than what they wanted...
these same mullahs go to west for conversion tours but when same happen in pakistan they object.
coming back to topic whatever we call them but one thing is fact we need to consider them our fellow pakistani with equal rights as any ordinary citizen has and we have to prove it, pakistaniat has to be higher than religious, secterian belongings.
i am happy that we shown same amount concern while this was happening.
Very sad.
another mosque attacked by criminals.
You should be out celebrating for job well...err jihad will done by your comrades.
he is celebrating. he is in this thread to celebrate.
re: Many killed in Lahore in an attack on Ahmadi Masjid
some food for thought. we really should hang in our heads in shame to have failed our fellow Pakistanis so badly. we must learn to look past the differences that religious dogma teaches. humanity is infinitely more important than the hatred religion teaches.
We all have blood on our hands!
http://tazeen-tazeen.blogspot.com/2010/05/we-all-have-blood-on-our-hands.html
Oh Lahore!
On May 28th 2010, I was away from the TV and computer the whole day, a rare feat in this increasingly connected world. I came home around 10.00 pm and was inundated with images and sounds of what is called the worst ever assault on Ahmadis – a persecuted religious minority in Pakistan – during Friday prayers. While everyone from the Prime Minister Gilani to US State Department condemned the incident, no one is willing to look at the real cause of the carnage.
Ahmadis are the most persecuted minority in Pakistan. Although the other minorities do not enjoy perfect conditions in the country, Ahmadis are especially ill-treated, with constitution and penal code supporting those who perpetuate offenses against them. Following a violent campaign, led by the Jamaat-e-Islami in 1974 against Ahmadis, constitutional amendments were introduced by the elected government of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and Ahmadis were declared non Musilms. Ten years later, military dictator General Zia-ul-Haq (May he rot in hell for all eternity) promulgated the anti Ahmadi Ordinance XX in April 1984. The ordinance prohibited Ahmadis from preaching or professing their beliefs, it forbids Ahmadis to call themselves Muslim or to ‘pose’ as Muslims. They were forbidden from calling their places of worship mosques. They were also barred by law from worshipping in non-Ahmadi mosques or public prayer rooms, performing the Azaan (Msulim call to prayers), using the traditional Islamic greeting in public, publicly quoting from the holy book Quraan, preaching in public, seeking converts, or producing, publishing, and disseminating their religious materials. These acts are punishable by imprisonment of up to three years. In short, the ordinance was in violation of Article 14, 16, 19, 20, 22, 25 and 28 and denied them basic civic rights. For Ahmadis, living in Pakistan is just as bad, if not worse than Jews living under Nazi rule.
It is not just the state institution and right wing political parties that are out for a witch hunt of Ahmadis/Qadiyanis, it is all of us who are responsible for the persecution of Ahmadis/Qadiyanis. Popular talkshow host Aamir Liaquat Hussain instigated violence against the community in September 2008, which resulted in death of 3 Ahmadis. MQM, the political party he belonged to, publicly condemned him and kicked him out of the party but the TV channel he worked for never uttered a word of apology and he continues to spew his venom to this date. Hamid Mir, another popular talk show host on the same channel and a public opinion maker, expressed his intense hatred for Qadiyanis in his leaked tapes which could have triggered right wing terrorist into taking upon themselves to kill as many Ahmadis as they can. What was that TV channel and state’s response to that? That man is still on TV, dishing out his maligned version of truth day in, day out. Do they have blood on their hands? I say yes.
The judges in our court are obviously sympathetic towards the alleged terrorists and most of the terrorists who were captured and brought to courts were released citing lack of evidence. I am sure like all other previous terrorists who were released, the courts in Pakistan will also release the one who was caught by the people yesterday, even though he was caught red handed killing people. Punjab’s law ministers openly consorts with supposedly banned terrorists outfits, the Chief minister of Punjab is retweeting film song lyrics on twitter after 22 hours of this incident instead of making sure that people who did this are nabbed. While Jamaat-e-Isalami blamed it on USA and Blackwater, Shahbaz Sharif blamed it on enemies of Islam and Pakistan and Commissioner of Lahore Khusro Parvez blamed it all on RAW a couple of hours after the incident without any intelligence report, the Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for the attacks. A text messagesent to journalists said this: “This is a final warning to the [Ahmedi community] to leave Pakistan or prepare for death at the hands of the Prophet Muhammad’s devotees.” It was signed by the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan and the Punjab wing of al-Qaeda, the latter a hitherto unknown group. Do all those who live in denial have blood on their hands? I say yes.
The common people are just as bad as our right wing and centre of right political parties; our talk show hosts and mullah sympathizers. In a public forum pkpolitics, many people were justifying the killing spree of Qadiyanis by repeatedly calling them wajib-ul-qatl (must be killed category of apostates) because they act and behave like Muslims. A friend, who works for education ministry in Punjab called and said that most of juniors in her office were celebrating the death of many Qadiyanis. Do they all have blood on their hands? I say yes.
**Every identity card and passport holder in Pakistan – including me – who filled out the form declaring themselves true apostles of the faith have denounced the basic citizenship rights of Ahmadis/Qadiyanis. Do we all have blood on our hands? I hang my head in utter shame and say, yes we all have their blood on our hands. **
re: Many killed in Lahore in an attack on Ahmadi Masjid
the sickest angle of this heinous act is that I think the TTP is using this as an ad/calling card to attract more murderous loonies to their inhumane cause. by targeting Ahmedis, they're trying to win the sympathies of other extremist groups who might not have openly fought the state so far but share their intense hatred of Ahmedis. this hatred might unite them and these groups might join the animals of TTP.
it's time for PML-N to wake the fk up. Punjab DOES have Taliban. these rats NEED to be wiped out.
This is really sad.
There are indications that the murderes stayed with the Tablighi Jamaat before the attack. Also that most of the news media kept calling them “minority sect”, notice islam is missing from the minority sect. This shows the sub-consicious bias/brain-washing of the much of population.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/29/world/asia/29pstan.html?scp=4&sq=pakistan&st=cse
LAHORE, Pakistan — Hafeez Malik heard the gunfire outside the mosque, then shots inside the prayer hall.
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“People were dying one after the other,” said Mr. Malik, a 55-year-old architect. “I could count more than 20 people dead around me.”
From inside another mosque several miles away near the central train station, his brother, Abdul Rashid Malik, 65, an engineer, called his family on his cellphone. He was a hostage and had been shot in the leg, he said. He has not been heard from since, Hafeez Malik said.
More than 80 worshipers of a minority Muslim sect, the Ahmadis, were killed and more than 110 wounded Friday in a coordinated assault by seven well-trained attackers on two mosques in Lahore, Pakistan’s second largest city, the authorities said.
At the mosque known as Dar-ul-Zakir, near the train station, two attackers blew themselves up inside the prayer hall after spraying the congregation with bullets, police officers said.
The target was the Ahmadis, a group of about two million Muslims in Pakistan who are considered heretical by many mainstream Muslims because the Ahmadis believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who founded their movement in 1889, was the messiah foretold by Muhammad, the prophet of Islam.
There are sizable communities of well-educated Ahmadis in the United States, Britain and other parts of the Muslim diaspora.
The assault, which began during Friday Prayer and lasted more than three hours at the Dar-ul-Zakir Mosque, and about an hour at the Bait-ul-Noor Mosque, occurred amid a surge of sectarian violence in Pakistan in the last two years.
Minority sects like the Ahmadis and the Shiites and have come under increasing pressure as religious extremism has taken hold, fomented by sectarian groups like Jaish-e-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, formerly state-sponsored organizations.
In an unusually strong statement, the American ambassador to Pakistan, Anne W. Patterson, said Pakistan, an ally of the United States, had witnessed an increase in “provocative statements that promote intolerance and are an incitement to extremist violence.”
The Ahmadis were declared a non-Muslim minority in the 1970s during the rule of the military dictator Muhammad Zia ul-Haq, a period during which jihadist ideology became ingrained in Pakistan’s state and religious education system.
The minister of law in Punjab Province, which includes Lahore, the capital, said that in the days before their assault, the attackers stayed with the Tablighi Jamaat, a Muslim missionary group that is often described by terrorism experts as the antechamber to the Taliban](Taliban - The New York Times) and **Al Qaeda](Times Topics - The New York Times). The headquarters of the Tablighi Jamaat are in Raiwind, a town on the outskirts of Lahore.**
The minister, Rana Sana Ullah Khan, said he believed that the attackers, who operated as commandos, throwing hand grenades and firing automatic weapons, had been trained for the task in Waziristan, the Pakistani Taliban’s base.
Geo TV, a leading news channel in Pakistan, reported that members of the Punjab branch of the Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for the attacks. The Punjab branch is composed mainly of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and Jaish-e-Mohammad, which have joined forces with the Taliban.
The attackers, who worshipers said were quite young, opened fire outside the mosques around 2 p.m., just as the sermons were finishing, survivors said. The assaults began within minutes of each other at the Dar-ul-Zakir Mosque near the train station and at the Bait-ul-Noor Mosque in Model Town, an upscale neighborhood where a former prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, lives.
Mr. Malik, the architect, said the worshipers at Bait-ul-Noor were sitting, preparing for prayer, when three attackers burst into the prayer hall.
One attacker, about 16 years old and wearing a grubby shirt and pants, was wounded and wrestled to the ground by the worshipers, he said.
“I was waiting for them to come to me; I was near the front,” Mr. Malik said. “They were shooting whoever they could.”
The assault at the mosque near the train station was the more audacious, the police said. One gunman mounted the minaret and traded fire with the police below.
The explosion from the two suicide bombers who blew themselves up in the prayer hall there increased the number of deaths, the police said. When the police took control of the mosques, bodies were strewn across the main floors and verandas.
“I saw what I would never forget,” said Waseem Ahmad, who worked as a guard at the scanner near the entrance to the Dar-ul-Zakir Mosque. “There were dead bodies everywhere, and blood was flowing everywhere.”
Dozens of worshipers survived by scurrying down a narrow passage and hiding in the basement as the ordeal unfolded, said Abdul Salam Arshad, 56, a retired civil servant, who emerged unscathed from the mosque near the train station.
Another survivor, Munawar Shahid, an official of the Ahmadi community, hid in his office next to the mosque during the assault. “Everybody is trying to save their life,” Mr. Shahid said on his cellphone as gunfire rattled around him.
The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan has regularly reported on discrimination against the Ahmadis, and has said that intolerance of them by extremists has escalated. “The extremists are not tolerating any other community, including Ahmadis, and it seems the government has failed to control them,” said I. A. Rehman, the commission’s executive director.
The State Department report on human rights said this year said that 11 Ahmadis were killed last year in Pakistan because of their faith. The report said Pakistani law forbade Ahmadis to refer to themselves as Muslims or to engage in any Muslim practices, including using Muslim greetings, referring to their places of worship as mosques, or taking part in the hajj.
Live broadcasts of the attacks in Lahore were notable on Friday for failing to refer to the Ahmadis as Muslims. Reporters and commentators rarely referred to the Ahmadis by name, preferring the phrase “minority community.”
I'm sure you'd accept such bad-duas with open arms from the families of Generals? (same generals who served the same country and army you proudly claim to support)
i don't have my head under the sand, i agree/disagree not like you who is following sheikh's word like Qurani verses !
Don't worry all the jihadi's, their supporters will also pay the price with the suffering of their families too !
re: Many killed in Lahore in an attack on Ahmadi Masjid
Just now a news that two policemen killed in firing at a Police "Naka"at Samanabad Lahore. One other injured.
re: Many killed in Lahore in an attack on Ahmadi Masjid
Salam.
What…Ibadat Gah? No. It is a Masjid. A masjid of the Ahmadi Muslims. The Promised Messiah (alihissalam) has been sent to Muslims…and we follow him. He was sent because in this time period, Muslims are going against the true teachings of Islam all around the world, as we see today in these attacks against my community–my community, who love Pakistan, love Humanity, are the most educated in Pakistan (despite having been given nothing), and are the only Muslim sect that has never had a suicide bomber, or any member worldwide hurting humanity in any such way. Allah’s wrath will now descend upon Lahore because he will react like a lioness reacts when you touch her newborn cub. And this saddens me, because Lahore is my city. I am from Model Town. In a Hadith, the greatest man to ever exist, the Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw), said that there will in the latter days, be 73 sects, and only one of them will be his true jamaat. Do the math.