Manhunt in California - Christopher Dorner

When this news first broke several days ago, my thoughts went immediately to wondering what information this police officer might have on his colleagues that they are so bent on eliminating him. Slowly the facts are coming to light…

Fresh questions over Christopher Dorner’s dismissal as hunt contiunes…

Police records have raised the possibility that there is a legitimate grievance behind Christopher Dorner’s homicidal vendetta against the Los Angeles police department.

Dorner, a former LAPD officer, was sacked in 2008 for falsely claiming a colleague kicked a homeless suspect, but a judge who examined the case concluded that he could not be certain whether or not the suspect had been kicked.

The revelation came amid mounting frustration that a massive five-day manhunt had failed to catch Dorner, 33, who is accused of killing three people in a self-declared “war” against police and their families in southern California.

On Monday the Riverside county district attorney charged Dorner with murdering a police officer and the attempted murder of three other officers.

Police continued searching cabins in remote areas of Big Bear, a snowy mountain resort north of LA which has been the focus of the dragnet, and officers elsewhere chased up reported sightings. Authorities declined to confirm whether drones were being used.

On Sunday, LA mayor Antonio Villaraigosa announced a $1M reward for information leading to Dorner’s capture, saying: “We will not tolerate this reign of terror.” More than 600 tips had poured into the hotline by Monday.

But with the trail going cold, attention shifted to the incident which Dorner says triggered his fury with the LAPD.

Fresh out of the navy reserves, where he had served in Bahrain and Kuwait, Dorner, a trained marksman, was a rookie police officer on 28 July 2007, when he accompanied a training officer, Teresa Evans, to a reported disturbance at the Doubletree Hotel in San Pedro.

They encountered a mentally ill homeless man, Christopher Gettler. Evans tasered him after he threw a punch. Gettler was later returned to his father and that seemed to be the end of the incident.

Two weeks later, however, according to LAPD records published by the LA Times, Dorner told a superior, Sergeant Donald Deming of the harbour division, that after the tasering, Evans had kicked Gettler in the chest and face, snapping his head back and causing him to bleed.

An internal affairs investigation ruled that the kicking did not happen and that Dorner had lied. This led to a disciplinary hearing in 2008.

Dorner’s attorney, Randal Quan, a former police captain, called the case against his client “very, very ugly” said he “wasn’t given a fair shake.” Quan said: “In fact, what’s happening here is this officer is being made a scapegoat.”

Dorner said he had not immediately reported the kicks because he had filed other complaints against fellow officers and feared retaliation.

Gettler’s father, Richard, testified noting a slight puffiness around his son’s face when police brought him home. His son told him he had been kicked by a police officer. The younger Gettler repeated that version of events under questioning from Quan, a video of which was obtained by Fox 11 News. These efforts on his behalf left Dorner unimpressed and angry with Quan.

Gettler, who, according to his father, is prone to contradictions, described the kicker as female and “almost black” with dark hair, before correcting himself to say light hair. Police records describe Evans as white with blond hair.

She denied kicking Gettler, and said Dorner had trouble adjusting to his new job as a police officer. One day, he cried in their patrol car, she said. Dorner made his complaint about Evans a day after being told that her evaluation said he needed to improve his performance.

Three witnesses – two hotel employees and a port police officer – testified that they did not see the kicks. Dorner was dismissed. During an appeal in 2010 a county superior court judge, David Yaffe, concluded he was “uncertain whether the training officer kicked the suspect or not”, according to court records cited by the Times. Nevertheless, the judge upheld the sacking.

The dismissal stung Dorner as unjust, and an example of LAPD racism, according to a 14-page “manifesto” he posted online on January 31. He said he would keep killing until the truth was known about the case.

On Saturday, a week after Dorner’s alleged rampage began, LA police chief Charlie Beck ordered a review of the case. “I do this not to appease a murderer. I do it to reassure the public that their police department is transparent and fair.” Members of the FBI and other forces will be part of the investigation.

Dorner’s manifesto named about 40 targets for revenge. He allegedly began his rampage on February 3 by targeting Monica Quan, 28, the daughter of Randal Quan, and her fiance Keith Lawrence, 27. They were shot dead in their car.

Four days later he exchanged shots with a patrol, grazing one officer in the head, and later allegedly ambushed two other officers at a traffic light, killing one, Michael Crain, 34, a veteran, and wounding the other, a trainee. A huge security operation is expected at Crain’s funeral on Wednesday.

The hunt has focused on Big Bear after Dorner’s pickup truck was found burning and abandoned on a dirt road, but there are statewide alerts in California and Nevada, with pilots and aircraft operators told to watch for stolen planes or suspicious passengers.

“It is believed that Dorner received flight training during his time in the US navy, but the extent of his potential flying skills is unknown,” said a Transportation Security Administration notification.

“While there is no specific information at this time that Dorner is considering using general aviation, TSA requests that operators use an increased level of awareness concerning any suspicious activity during the coming days.”

Fresh questions over Christopher Dorner’s dismissal as LA manhunt contiunes | World news | guardian.co.uk

What do you think the chances are of this man being caught alive?

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Interesting you brought this up, my brother and sister were talking about this yesterday but I was too out of it to pay attention.

Personally, I would be very surprised if the man was caught alive…not this late anyway. If you had asked this question a few days earlier I think he would be caught alive but not now.

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I’m pretty sure this will end in a suicide/standoff…it’s a sad situation for all involved.

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Guac…did you read about the mother and daughter that were shot at by the LAPD when their truck was mistaken for Dorner’s truck? I doubt that this man will come back alive.

LAPD Will Give A New Car To The Women Shot At In The Christopher Dorner Manhunt

On Thursday morning, LAPD officers mistakenly opened fire on Emma Hernandez, 71, and her daughter, Margie Carranza, 47, as they were sitting inside their blue Toyota Tacoma. The truck was riddled with bullets, Hernandez was shot twice in the back, and Carranza was injured by broken glass.

Beck has called the accidental shooting “a tragic misinterpretation” and said the officers responsible for it had mistaken the women’s truck for a Nissan Titan driven by Dorner, the L.A. Times reported.

LAPD Will Give A New Car To The Women Shot At In The Christopher Dorner Manhunt

How do you mistake two women for a man and before you even confirm anything you “riddle” their truck with bullets???

It just shows that they have no intention of keeping Dorner alive.

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if you look at the comments on all dorner stories on LA times, people are all rooting for dorner. -__- that is how bad the lapd’s rep for abuse is.

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The LAPD, we treat you like a King (Rodney King that is :eek: )

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Yeah this is all really bad for the LAPD

Yeah I heard about. They were two women (not men)…they fired before they even figured that out? I don’t know how they could have confused them with him. :confused:

I also heard they are breaking doors and invading homes without real evidence (just based on a tip that was given)…again I didn’t read about this so I don’t have a source, it was just something I overheard.

Overall, the way they are handling this is really bad.

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I dont think he will be caught alive. He has killed LAPD officers and they probably have orders to shoot on sight.

Speaking of the late Rodney King.

“Some people feel like I’m some kind of hero,”. “Others hate me. They say I deserved it. Other people, I can hear them mocking me for when I called for an end to the destruction, like I’m a fool for believing in peace.”

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I wonder if it would do Dorner any good to get to the media and have his say…but then again…can he trust them?

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he already has his multi-page manifesto carried by all major news outlets. what more do you want?

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true…dunno if an interview would make any difference

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So behind on this. Is he caught? Knowing my luck he is heading to butt effed Texas

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yes pcg, the universe revolves around you, and everyone is out to get you. :hypo:

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If he’s barricaded in the cabin, why are they checking vehicles at road blocks?

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The cabin pretty much burned to a crisp now with him inside, though I’m sure the conspiracy nuts will be out any second now to say he did a Houdini and thus a new urban legend will be born.

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besides the urban legend, here is the other conspiracy :halo:

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“When this news first broke several days ago, my thoughts went immediately to wondering what information this police officer might have on his colleagues that they are so bent on eliminating him. Slowly the facts are coming to light…”

are you serious ??
This toheen-y-risalat amreekan version.
I bet you could find sense in pakistani violence too, if rupee was worth 100$.

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as usual I have to ask you for clarity cuz I can’t answer you without first understanding exactly what it is you are saying…

:smiley:

please and thank you

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Us ka ab shish kabab ban gaya.

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what a Waco ending.
his wallet’s been traveling up the state