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Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad:
**don't tell me Muzna you've never watched Indian movies.. like.. ever!
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Actually PK, I happen to have one of these necklaces as I married into a family that has roots in the region of Hyderabad, India. And yes, I do wear it, but not all the time. It's much too heavy and elaborate to be worn all the time. I have asked my husband to replace it with what is known as "kaali poth", a chain-like necklace that is made from small black and gold balls strung together in alternating sequence. Since we are not staunch about such symbols we are not too worried about it.
The reason that I posted the question is that I want to learn of the true historical origin of this tradition.....and I don't believe in basing my knowledge of a culture on Indian Movies. That would be like expecting someone to learn about facts regarding our cultures and faith from a Pakistan movie or serial drama. A bit ludicrous, don't you think?
yeah it is better to learn deep cultural and historical facts and have a good understanding about them from an internet discussion board than from a hindi movie.
Maung al sutra is not Arabic. It is Persian. Many books have been written by Farsi writers: Gulistan-e-Sutra , Sutra-e-Omar Khiyam, Sutra-e-Firdosi, ZaDats-e-Sutra NoRooz, Sutra-e-Khomeni, Marg-e-ba Sutra al Yahood. Many many more. Sar Zamina ma Iran. Sar Sutra Husan-e-Badosh.
What I don't understand is if a Persian says "Ramazaan" instead of "Ramadhan" then it is ok...if an Urdu speaker says "Ramzaan" instead of "Ramazan" it is ok but if I say Ramjaan instead of Ramzaan then it means I don't know the language and I am Zahil.:)
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Originally posted by ChannMahi: What I don't understand is if a Persian says "Ramazaan" instead of "Ramadhan" then it is ok...if an Urdu speaker says "Ramzaan" instead of "Ramazan" it is ok but if I say Ramjaan instead of Ramzaan then it means I don't know the language and I am Zahil.:)
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I guess they are not wrong if they call you Jahil whne u say ramjaan. becouse they way ramzaan is writen in urdu and arabic is same which is RE-MIM-ZUAD-ALIF-NOON . Now ZUAD makes a sound which can be either replaced with Z(in subcontinent) or DH(arabic style) ,that why we say RAMZAAN or RAMDHAN.But calling it RAMJAAN is wrong becouse ZUAD is not close to J. J is more close to JEEM of Urdu.
Muzna, there are not many people on this board who can give us long background lecture on Mangalsutra...I myself don;t know anything more than that it is a black thread with some gold on it(according to ones haiseeyat)...and it signifies the suhaag of a woman...may be there is little bit more to it but I am sure not a hell lot than that...it is like asking what is the significance of 'wedding ring' people wear in the west..answer will be couple of sentences long.
yes most of interaction NOW I do on boards is for fun and entertainment or sometimes to poke holes in others balloons.....I have figured out if I really want to know about something I should find a good book on that subject.
Zuad like in Ramazan is also used in many Arabic countries like Algeriaa and Tunisia. My friend whose name is Arabic(Ridha) sounds like (Riza). So its not only in Iran/India/Pakistan but also in Arabic countries. Arabs also sound Qaf with two dots as gaf but only when they speak to eachother.
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Originally posted by andha_qanoon:
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I guess they are not wrong if they call you Jahil whne u say ramjaan. becouse they way ramzaan is writen in urdu and arabic is same which is RE-MIM-ZUAD-ALIF-NOON . Now ZUAD makes a sound which can be either replaced with Z(in subcontinent) or DH(arabic style) ,that why we say RAMZAAN or RAMDHAN.But calling it RAMJAAN is wrong becouse ZUAD is not close to J. J is more close to JEEM of Urdu.
Also Its not ZAHIL.its JAHIL..
lol lol lol**
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Bhai Sahib-
You're not using arabic, you're using urdu pronunciation for the letters. Its Duwad instead of Zuad.
Ramazan is ok b/c using persion or urdu pronunciation that is how u say it.
No one in the world pronounces it with J but if it floats your boat then go right ahead!