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there was a time when makeup would give it away. Unmarried girls were not allowed to do makeup by there parents. Then came Saree. I remember that in 80's, saree (at least in Pakistan) was only reserved for married women. Unmarried girls would not wear them.
Yup! My cousin and I were not allowed to wear Sarees until we to married, yet now days, my 15-18 year old cousins are already wearing them...zamaana kaisay badalgaya hai
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Peace muqawwee123
In the past Muslims living among Hindus needed to separate themselves from their religious traditions, but since the formation of Pakistan, coupled with the downgrading of Hindu religious practices and turning them in to cultural ones and commercialising on them using models and fashion and advertising them using Indian dramas; the existence of Pakistan meant the people didn't have to worry about misidentification ... Now most Pakistanis identify themselves as Pakistani ... It means it is only time that such practices will become common place in Pakistanis.
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Is a transition from religious to cultural practice a downgrade? If one is highly religious then yes. But if one is moderately religious, cultural practices may be more important.
For humanists, both may be unimportant.
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Is a transition from religious to cultural practice a downgrade? If one is highly religious then yes. But if one is moderately religious, cultural practices may be more important.
For humanists, both may be unimportant.
Therefore Southie ... You have presented an argument that psyah must be highly religious ... whether I, in all my faults and inefficiencies can accept such a label is a different matter.
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I know why married men/women in the West wear wedding ring. It is show faithfulness to the spouse. Wearing a ring means that the person is unavailable for sexual advances from opposite sex. Kind of like "hands off".
I also probably understand why Hindus used to give so much significance to stuff like mangalsutr. It is because of the concept of 'janam janam ke saathi'. A widow was considered half-dead in Hindu culture, and a good respectable woman was the one who would die or burn with her hthausband.
So mangalsutr was a way of saying that I am still a blessed woman because my husband is alive. That is, I still have a respectable position in the society.
Muslims never practiced such stuff. Hence they did not need mangalsutr. Nor do they need it now. It is a totally redundant thing for Muslims.
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In our family nikkah is done over that. And it is quite a big deal in mine as if a married lady been caught not wearing it then she is sure getting the scolding from Bari bhoris of the family 
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Peace muqawwee123
In the past Muslims living among Hindus needed to separate themselves from their religious traditions, but since the formation of Pakistan, coupled with the downgrading of Hindu religious practices and turning them in to cultural ones and commercialising on them using models and fashion and advertising them using Indian dramas; the existence of Pakistan meant the people didn't have to worry about misidentification ... Now most Pakistanis identify themselves as Pakistani ... It means it is only time that such practices will become common place in Pakistanis.
but again there are millions Muslims living alongwith Hindus in India and both the communities live together in western countries. Pakistani also includes Hindus. given that situation, identification issue is still there as it was before partition. Pakistan / India, is the identity of the citizen of respective countries, but when it comes to identity, people feel need to be distinguished through such stuff like mangalsutra, etc.
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Is a transition from religious to cultural practice a downgrade? If one is highly religious then yes. But if one is moderately religious, cultural practices may be more important.
For humanists, both may be unimportant.
I think for humanist both should be important. sometimes, culture may conflict with religion, but most of the times its not contradictory and one can live with both at a time.
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I know why married men/women in the West wear wedding ring. It is show faithfulness to the spouse. Wearing a ring means that the person is unavailable for sexual advances from opposite sex. Kind of like "hands off". I also probably understand why Hindus used to give so much significance to stuff like mangalsutr. It is because of the concept of 'janam janam ke saathi'. A widow was considered half-dead in Hindu culture, and a good respectable woman was the one who would die or burn with her hthausband. So mangalsutr was a way of saying that I am still a blessed woman because my husband is alive. That is, I still have a respectable position in the society.
Muslims never practiced such stuff. Hence they did not need mangalsutr. Nor do they need it now. It is a totally redundant thing for Muslims.
so whats the symbol of suhagan lady in Muslims?
I think they still follow breaking / not wearing choRiyan (bangles) by a widow in Muslim families.
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In our family nikkah is done over that. And it is quite a big deal in mine as if a married lady been caught not wearing it then she is sure getting the scolding from Bari bhoris of the family :)
and its called by the same name manglasutra?
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There is no sign for married muslim women in islam...as there is no sign for married men in islam.....
What is manglasutra?
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a mala given by groom to his bride. Its considered as symbol of suhaag.
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What is manglasutra?
its mangal sutra....:)
mangal=good,auspicious.......
sutra=string
Lol me ny mangla likh dia.
Gold necklace? Oh mou dikhai me jo milta hy wo? Zaruri to ni mala he ho.
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very simple, but again cultural interaction force Muslims to search for such distinctions. I remember in desert of Thar in Sindh, there is a different distonction for identification of married women (most of being Hundus). unmarried girls wear bangles upto wrist and married one above elbow.
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Gold necklace? Oh mou dikhai me jo milta hy wo? Zaruri to ni mala he ho.
its not necessary to be gold. this mala (manglasutra) is a must besides other gifts, etc.
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So is Gold undervalued or fairly valued?
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and its called by the same name manglasutra?
Nope we call it Kaali PoTh, although my wife who aint from the same background as mine often call it Mangal SuTar to piss me off :)
