Malala Yousufzai attacked

[Aceones]

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@yazdi

*******s.. These semi intelligent bearded monkeys.. sooner we disown them as from within us better for us.. let’s declare them as aliens and try to clean our society from these species..!!!

Pakistan never owned the TTP, they were, they are and will remain aliens to Pakistan and Islam.

but what justifies you abusing and associating bad words with our beloved Nabi Muhammad sunnah? jo Nabi SAW ki mansha bhi hay, unki taakeed bhi hay aur Shaa’ir-e-Islam main say bhee hay… have we now become that blind in this hate instilled in our mind against our own deen and things associated with it that many learned and respectable members posted in this thread, went through the posts and nobody objected on this dirty attempt? pretty immature i say, just proves my point in previous post in this thread.

and by the way, all the dirt and filth is more than welcome if its targetted towards myself, while trying to help people see through the fog… bring it on

Our Nabi taught us this beautiful prayer…

اللهُمَّ أَرِنَا الحَقَّ حَقّاً وَارْزُقْنَا التِبَاعَةَ وَأَرِنَا البَاطِلَ بَاطِلاً وَارْزُقْنَا

اجْتِنَابَهُ، بِرَحْمَتِكَ يَا أَرْحَمَ الرَّاحِمِينَ.

Allahumma arinal-haqqa haqqan warzuqnat-tiba’ah, wa arinal-batila batilan warzuqnaj-tinabah, bi rahmatika ya arhamar-rahimeen.

O Allah! Let us see the good as good, and bless us with following it. And show us the falsehood as falsehood, and bless us with staying away from it, with Your mercy, O Most Merciful!

[Med911]

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@psyah

At least from the side of Muslims ... Yes there are plenty of wars where Muslims engaged only the enemy fighters and didn't strike fear unnecessary unrest like drones ... And they didn't even uproot trees let alone kill or even harm innocents ...

What is "necessary" and what is "unnecessary" in war is open to debate. What is a necessity to one side, is unnecessary to the other.

The people who were conquered by Muslim armies would say that the conquest itself was unnecessary. That most Muslims today glorify and romanticize those original Arab armies, is only because they now share a common faith with them. But had we been among those original non Muslims who were being conquered, the Arabs would have been nothing more then an Army UNNECESARILY conquering their society and way of life.

Its all subjective... The "other" is always the aggressor and always inflicting unnecessary unrest...

[psyah]

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[Med911]

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@TLK

^ Fatah-e-Makka was one example where whole city was conquered without a single drop of blood.

Its Fatteh-e-Makka to us, but to those who did not become Muslim, it was the conquest of Makkah.

Many would consider the execution of the men of Bani Qurayza and the enslavement of their women and children as being unnecessary. But such is the nature of War.

[Med911]

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@psyah

If indeed the Drone strikes are counter productive, and can be shown to be as such, then i would not support them. But so long as there is no one else fighting this war, then Drones are the only ther alternative. The Pak govt and Army should either take on the taliban themselves, or leave the job to americans. If they dont want American soldiers invading N Waziristan, and dont want to do the job themselves, then they should leave it to the Drones. Its simply a necessary evil.

[fuzzypeach]

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We need to help Pakistan, these bandits for hire have hijacked this country. The best leave Pakistan, maybe we all need to go back and build it back up, stone by stone. Reclaim what was supposed to be a peaceful, progressive and beautiful Islamic state.

[TLK]

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@Med911

Its Fatteh-e-Makka to us, but to those who did not become Muslim, it was the conquest of Makkah.

Many would consider the execution of the men of Bani Qurayza and the enslavement of their women and children as being unnecessary. But such is the nature of War.

Bani Quraiza was a different war. I was talking about the conquest of Makkah, You asked for one war, and I mentioned one war.

[Med911]

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@TLK

Bani Quraiza was a different war. I was talking about the conquest of Makkah, You asked for one war, and I mentioned one war.

You gave me the biased opinion of a modern day Muslim. Do you think those people who were opposed to the early Muslims thought that Muslim Army was liberating them?

Point is, its all subjective. What is necessary and justifiable to one side, is not the same to the other.

[TLK]

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I am not defending msulsim army, I just answered your question

[Med911]

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@TLK

I am not defending msulsim army, I just answered your question

What you call a war without unnecessary hardship and stress, is only your opinion, and your opinion doesnt make something fact. There has never been a war without suffering and what you consider to be necessary is not considered so by the other side.

in the case of the Drones, the issue isnt with drones, the issue is with war in general. But some people want to have their cake and eat it too. They acknowledge that we must fight the Taliban, but they dont want to see any suffering or civilian casualties... you cant have it both ways.

[Sa1eem]

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@hareem01

Drone strikes for terrorists/TTP (whatever you call them) is fine or may be the best solution but there’s a heavy price that you have to pay in the form of civilian causalities, there have been some successful targets and operations but majority of the people who died are civilians including 176 children (we don’t even know their names, thanks to media) have been killed so far and not to mention the mental trauma of 24 surveillance caused by these drones. None of the human rights organizations agree with this method of cleaning out.

So it’s a shame that a clever person like you fully support these attacks.

Latest … until 10 Oct 2012:

American drone strikes in Pakistan

Reported by Bureau of investigative journalism

Total drone strikes (from 2004 to 10 Oct 2012): 347

Total reported killed: 2572 (Min) to 3341 (Max)

Civilians reported killed: 474 (Min) to 884 (Max)
Out of those civilians, total number of children ~ 176

Total injured: 1232(Min reported) to 1366 (Maximum reported)

That means 2398 (Min) to 2457 (Max) terrorist animals got killed due to drone strikes

Until March 2009, 9 out of top 20 A-Q commanders got killed by drones (the figure must be much higher today). Result was that, to save their lives, many top A-Q and Taliban commanders moved out of Tribal areas to settled areas, especially Quetta and Karachi.

Compare that with number of innocent civilians, Pakistan government officials and Pakistan armed personals these Taliban and A-Q animals killed … that I believe could be in 10s of thousands, thousands of them children.

In my opinion, even though few hundred civilians got killed due to drones, drone strikes killed few thousand terrorists. Actually, drone strikes also saved lives of many innocent Pakistanis by not only killing these A-Q and Taliban animals but causing fears in their heart and mind.

[As for number of children that got killed, it is believed that some of them who got killed I believe in 2006, were getting terrorist or suicide training in one of the Madrasas during night time (hours before fajar), so if the report is right than these children were brainwashed and were Taliban weapons for killing innocent civilians].

[Peter_Dow]

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[Ali_Syed]

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What ever was the motive of Tehreek e haiwan e Pakistan, as a result malala has risen as a symbol of hope and courage and the terrorists as cowards.

[system]

Malala Yousufzai attacked

Madonna, Malala Yousafzai: Icon Dedicates Song to 14-Year-Old Girl Shot by the Taliban
Madonna's MDNA tour has been as much a forum for the pop icon to voice her political and social views, as it has been a concert series of her greatest hits. After speaking out in support of jailed Russian punk band, Pussy Riot, and endorsing President Obama for reelection with a prominent back tattoo, Madonna's latest statement takes on the Taliban. During last night's (Oct. 10) concert at Los Angeles' Staples Center, Madge dedicated a song to Malala Yousafzai, a 14-year-old Pakistani girl who was shot by the Taliban on Tuesday.

"This made me cry," Madonna said in a "serious chat" with concertgoers, according to the Hollywood Reporter. "The 14-year-old schoolgirl who wrote a blog about going to school. The Taliban stopped her bus and shot her. Do you realize how sick that is?"

Malala was shot in the head and neck by a Taliban gunman who targeted her on a school bus, as she was on her way home from school. At just 11-years-old, Malala began publishing a diary for the BBC about life under the Taliban in Pakistan's Swat Valley, writing about the regime's shutdown of girls' schools and ban on girls' education. She remains in critical condition, according to the BBC.

"Support education! Support women!" Madonna shouted to the crowd. She later performed her usual onstage striptease to reveal "Malala" stenciled in bold, black letters across her back. "This song is for you, Malala," Madonna said as she launched into a live rendition of "Human Nature."

[hareem01]

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@Sa1eem

Latest … until 10 Oct 2012:
Drone attacks in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Reported by Bureau of investigative journalism

Total drone strikes (from 2004 to 10 Oct 2012): 347

Total reported killed: 2572 (Min) to 3341 (Max)

Civilians reported killed: 474 (Min) to 884 (Max)
Out of those civilians, total number of children ~ 176

Total injured: 1232(Min reported) to 1366 (Maximum reported)

That means 2398 (Min) to 2457 (Max) terrorist animals got killed due to drone strikes

Compare that with number of innocent civilians, Pakistan government officials and Pakistan armed personals these Taliban and A-Q animals killed … **that I believe could be in 10s of thousands, **thousands of them children.

In my opinion, even though few hundred civilians got killed due to drones, drone strikes killed few thousand terrorists. Actually, drone strikes also saved lives of many innocent Pakistanis by not only killing these A-Q and Taliban animals but causing fears in their heart and mind.

[As for number of children that got killed, it is believed that some of them who got killed I believe in 2006, were getting terrorist or suicide training in one of the Madrasas during night time (hours before fajar), so if the report is right than these children were brainwashed and were Taliban weapons for killing innocent civilians].

“I believe”, “could be this could be that”…NONSENSE!

Why did you ignore these quotes?

“A September 2012 report by researchers from Stanford University and New York University criticized the drone campaign, stating that it was killing a high number of civilians and turning the Pakistani public against the United States. The report, compiled by interviewing witnesses, drone-attack survivors, and others in Pakistan provided by a Pakistani human rights organization, Foundation for Fundamental Rights, concluded that only 2% of drone strike victims are top militant leaders and just one in 50 victims are terrorists.[SUP][106]](American drone strikes in Pakistan - Wikipedia)[/SUP] The report’s authors did not estimate the numbers of total civilian casualties, but suggested that the February 2012 Bureau of Investigative Journalism report was more accurate than the Long War Journal report (both detailed above) on civilian casualties. The report also opined that the drone attacks were violations of international law, because the US government had not shown that the targets were direct threats to the US.[SUP][107]](American drone strikes in Pakistan - Wikipedia)[/SUP] The report also noted the US policy of considering all military-age males in a strike zone as a militants unless exonerating evidence proves otherwise. Media outlets were also urged to cease using the term “militant” when reporting on drone attacks without further explanation."
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"The CIA has claimed that the strikes conducted between May 2010 and August 2011 killed over 600 militants and did not result in any civilian fatalities; this assessment has been criticized by Bill Roggio from theLong War Journal and other commentators as being unrealistic.”
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“An independent research site Pakistan Body Count run by Dr. Zeeshan-ul-hassan a Fulbright scholar keeping track of all the drone attacks claims that 2179 civilians were among the dead, out of which 12.4% were children and women .[SUP][102]](American drone strikes in Pakistan - Wikipedia)[/SUP] A report by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, released 4 February 2012, stated that from under the Obama administration (2008–2011) drone strikes killed between 282 and 535 civilians, including 60 children.[SUP][103]](American drone strikes in Pakistan - Wikipedia)”
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“The British human rights group Reprieve filed a case with the United Nations Human Rights Council, based on sworn affidavits by 18 family members of civilians killed in the attacks – many of them children. They are calling on the UNHRC “to condemn the attacks as illegal human rights violations.”[SUP][104]](American drone strikes in Pakistan - Wikipedia)”[/SUP]

[hareem01]

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@mercenary2k

What do you mean majority?

The Drone is the most precise weapon in the history of war.

Why would America waste a half a million dollar missile on killing civilians which only generates ill will towards it?

Yes, some civilians have been killed, but by and large the drone is an effective weapon.

Its like driving a car. People do die in car accidents, but that doesn't mean you stop driving your car. You just have to be more careful.

Regarding your example of driving a car, if you use a car like a weapon you'd be sitting down behind bars crying your eyes out for the rest of your life. To drive a car you have a to follow loads and loads of rules and you will be held fully responsible in case you cause an accident.

mercenary, you do understand none of the human rights organizations are allowing or even approving the drone attacks in Pakistan? Right?

[psyah]

Re: Malala Yousufzai - Free Pakistan - Kill the Taliban

@Peter_Dow

Watch my video “Malala Yousufzai - Free Pakistan - Kill the Taliban”

Video in 2 parts -

1. CBS News story reporting Malala Yousufzai shot
2. Musical tribute to Malala Yousufzai - Free Pakistan - Kill the Taliban - “May it be” by Enya.

*May it be the shadow’s call
Will fly away
May it be your journey on
To light the day
When the night is overcome
You may rise to find the sun
…
A promise lives within you now
*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngAIoxzIBzM

Afghanistan – Pakistan (AfPak) military strategy and the war on terror | Peter Dow’s preview blog

Oh dear … Isn’t it better to passify the Taliban instead of killing them … ???

[StormRaiser]

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^^

Passify the Taliban.Yes. Such a great idea. Why don't you take the first step. Sitting in an AC office thousands of miles away it is very easy to get these ideas.

[Ali_Syed]

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What is their own role in maintaining peace in the city? If they are good for nothing, why all this drama of jirga and all that?

Do you think that the jirga should protect the city? Swat is still practically in the hands of the military, and The terror attack happened in the vicinity of a check post.

[Ali_Syed]

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Oh dear ... Isn't it better to passify the Taliban instead of killing them ... ???

How can you pacify a shark or crocodile? Imran khan was recently doing a rally against drone strikes and these guys were threatening to attack it, since he is 'secular' hence murtad (good reason to kill). These guys are destroying schools, attacking kids and using Quran and ahadeeth as justification. Are they propagating Islam or a source of degrading Islam?

Are they humans? Should we forgive more than 40000 people they have killed? Were those people drone pilots or Americans?

I remember their attack on ISI office in Lahore where 99% casualties were of the ordinary people who were waiting for the traffic signal to turn green. Or attack on POF wah cantt where ordinary poor workers were killed, or the attack on moon market where hundreds were killed. They detonated bomb on one side of the market and when the people ran to the other side they conducted a blast there. What kind of Muslims would bomb mosques? They killed ANP minister Iftikhar's only son, and during his janaza they conducted another bomb blast. Are they even humans?