Malala Yousufzai attacked

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She was a blogger and had some sort of following I guess. She was a symbol of peaceful resistance to a violent enemy. She was a girl from a not elite background, with little security who was not even 16 yet she stood up for heir rights. Her blog must have got some following so in a way she became some sort of celebrity. The other 2 girls probably had no blog so thats why they had no publicity.

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Peace brother

Wow … I can’t believe how misunderstood I am with the above paragraph … :slight_smile: … No I did not say that I would have supported her … I do support her. Her cause is real! She is truly fighting for the freedom to get education for girls. I’m not saying she is furthering another agenda. I am saying she is being used to further the cause of another agenda.

Do I want to equate Qabaili with Taliban? No … I’m not sure who Taliban are you see … But I do know that the Qabaili have been controlling the region since Pakistan was formed and the government have never liked them. I’ve never said that the people of Swat want to live under Taliban. There are however some people who want to remain with the Qabailis, some who want to integrate more with Pakistan and others who don’t really care.

I also think that a lot of people are confused about who the Taliban actually are … It seems that they do things in strange ways they communicate by “radio” and they kill and lay bodies out at night when people are asleep … Phantoms !!!

Which 40,000 are you referring to?

I am not a supporter of the idea portrayed in the media that is “Taliban” … I am pro unification for all the regions in Pakistan under a single democratic Islamic governance, but I will not try to achieve this at any cost … I would like peaceful talks and mutual understandings to develop to encourage this state. Military intervention would only be a last resort if bloodshed or oppression was happening. Drones are not a suitable form of military intervention.

Interesting!

The only illusions are regarding who they are … And the mysteries are where are they getting their support from to blow up schools … I have no idea who is doing this blowing up … But for sure all three have good motives … The idea that is “Taliban” only reason is that they do not want girls to be educated … This is not Islamic. The Americans benefit from the blowing up by telling the world how backward Muslims are and Islam is, they also can justify a continued war on Terror … The Pak government benefit by creating a diversion from the drone attacks and will naturally inherit control by both attacking the Qabailis and by blaming the bombings on “Taliban” so as to prevent sympathy for the Qabailis.

It is because there is no neutrality of information coming from that region. The powers can cook up anything for us to swallow hook, line and sinker and we can’t ratify it in any way. Trust me I know how the game works.

It is the “they” I am questioning … Who are “they” ??? If I set up my own pirate radio station and broadcast a message saying … “I am the rep of Taliban … And we are going to do this” … Who on Earth will know that it is really Taliban or me pretending to be them … If they even exist?

Look what we need is media neutrality … We need to see people - regulars, journalists of all types, independent witnesses and see them giving the so called Taliban an opportunity to tell us their side of the story … Their reasons, their motivations, their way of life needs to be seen and understood … Otherwise I will not believe the media. What are their names?

No suicide attacks have been deemed haram by most scholars … I profess that I follow the opinion that they are not allowed … I’m not aware of the figures of deaths … But for me it is not about death toll … In Islam an injustice to one person is not better than an injustice to many … For me no injustice is allowed …

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Peace Ali_Syed

This paragraph by Dawn is one of the best examples of secular vomit that I have ever seen.

A common tactic to demean the opposition is to answer a question on their behalf … And to make it doubly beneficial is to make it serve the motives of furthering the agenda of the authors … There intertwined in this rhetoric is the blatant selling of secular values …

Just imagine if I asked the same question about the Pak government … Letting those drones kill all those innocents, how can they call themselves Muslims? And then I continue to say that the Pak government believe they are above Islamic law … Bla bla bla … One can paint a picture of the left being above Islam just like your source has painted a picture of the right being true Islam … Neither are correct … The truth is none of these acts Malal’s shooting nor the drone attacks were Islamically motivated … They are acts of war without recourse to Islamic ethics … They are politically and/or anger related acts.

Please don’t rub Islam’s nose into to this equation …

A true Muslim will follow the ijm’a of scholars and will consult scholars before acting … It has nothing to do with weak-knees … If a person is pushed … Even a coward can fight back … This explanation is stupid.

The correct answer to give to the question above is this …

Precisely …!!! How can they? You see this question is not a question demanding an answer … It is a question that carries the answer in it … The person who asks this question is really saying …“I am not prepared to accept such people as Muslim” … I will relax if people must say that … Because then at least then they are raising Islam high on a pedestal and lowering the act rather than the religion that these people profess to …

If you want to know what Islam is … Go to the authentic scholars … :slight_smile: … And hopefully you will walk away loving it and wanting it as the system that you will love to live under … By democratic choice! But you have to learn about it from the right places.

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Malala making slow and steady progress: DG ISPR Maj Gen Asim Saleem Bajwa

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The Army under Musharaf should have done it. The govt is only a minor cog in the wheels of power in Pak, real power lies in GHQ as always, but apparently, broad based political support among civilians is essential for any real action.

Regardless of who has the ultimate call, you can tell there was never really any movement from anyone. Neither the politicans, nor the Army. Whatever games they have been playing, its resulted in the deaths of thousands of Pakistanis.

The Pak establishment, whatever that is, has shown that they are able to come together and fight at some point. It is a slow and painful process but evetually, they fight. They showed this same resolve in Swat, and to some extent in S Waziristan. But its always after long bloody periods of indifference, apathy, accrimonious bs...

And you know what the saddest part of it all is? The people who suffer the most are the poor. The poor people killed by the Taliban, the poor people killed by the drones hunting the Taliban, those displaced by the half hearter offensive against the Taliban, and the poor soldiers who end up dying to defend a country that will never give them anything back for their sacrifice but token commendations and a grave.

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The problem with Fuzlullah is a recent phenomena. The Taliban as a presence in PAKISTAN has existed for nearly ten years now. Using the American inaction to justify ten years of Pakistani dithering is disingenuous. I mean, how do you excuse the first 8 years? Pakistan has begged, pleaded, coerced, co-opted, threatened, blowing hot and cold, but did nothing to effectively end the Taliban threat, doing everything possible to contain the Taliban or persuade them to only attack Afghanistan and leave Pak alone. I mean imagine what the reposnse have been if the marriot attack in iSLAMABAD that killed 60 people, were in London. That alone would have meant all out war. Leave alone all their other attacks that killed people in the dozens.

Besides this, what makes you think the Americans have full control on Afghanistan? I dont even recall the last time the Americans did any major offensive against the Taliban. The Taliban are apparently back in control in large parts of the South.

And another thing, why do you think the Americans would even be so anxious to help out the Pakistanis now? The Americans have been giving billions to the Pak govt with the expectations that they would do something about those terrorists on the pak, the Americans have lost god knows how many soldiers to Taliban who are apparently hiding in Pak. Now why should the Americans feel so obliged to risk their own soldiers fighting to support a country that has been double dealing for the past ten years now? Pay back as they say, is a B...ch...
Im not saying its right, but perhaps that is the feeling among Americans.They might decide to go after Fuzlullah at some point, but there not going to be in any hurry.

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Malala sent to England for further treatment

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Malala will require a long time to recover: **ISPR*
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And there was me thinking Americans were out to eliminate terrorists wherever they are and especially in Afghanistan Now I know that they only want to eliminate terrorists in FATA and the ones living and killing right under their noses is not their problem. Maybe they are part of the good Taliban which the Americans are always talking about.

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Reports are that she is coming to Birmingham rehabilitation centre which is about 1 mile from my house. I wouldnt mind hosting her family for as long as they are here.

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^ good on you...

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The 40000 people taleban have proudly killed and owned in the country. Similar to a drone strike to take out one terrorist results in killing some civilians, when a taleban carries out a suicide attack dozens of bystanders are killed as a result. The people killed in these suicide attacks are more than 10 times the people killed in drone strikes.

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The only illusions are regarding who they are ... And the mysteries are where are they getting their support from to blow up schools ... I have no idea who is doing this blowing up ... But for sure all three have good motives ... The idea that is "Taliban" only reason is that they do not want girls to be educated ... This is not Islamic. The Americans benefit from the blowing up by telling the world how backward Muslims are and Islam is, they also can justify a continued war on Terror ... The Pak government benefit by creating a diversion from the drone attacks and will naturally inherit control by both attacking the Qabailis and by blaming the bombings on "Taliban" so as to prevent sympathy for the Qabailis.
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Teleban dont need any reason to blow up a school. It is upon all muslims to pressurize the taleban to leave their unislamic ways as they are degrading the religion in the world.

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It is the "they" I am questioning ... Who are "they" ??? If I set up my own pirate radio station and broadcast a message saying ... "I am the rep of Taliban ... And we are going to do this" ... Who on Earth will know that it is really Taliban or me pretending to be them ... If they even exist?

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They do exist, and the people who have lived under them dont want to have the pleasure of living under them again.

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No suicide attacks have been deemed haram by most scholars ... I profess that I follow the opinion that they are not allowed ... I'm not aware of the figures of deaths ... But for me it is not about death toll ... In Islam an injustice to one person is not better than an injustice to many ... For me no injustice is allowed ...
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If the suicide attacks are not allowed in Islam, what is stopping the scholars to issue a fatwa to put an end to this issue?

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I dont need to rub Islam's nose, taleban are doing a good job themselves.

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If a person is pushed ... Even a coward can fight back ... This explanation is stupid.

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Fight against whom? As Pakistanis as a whole have had to face the"fitna" of the kharijites.

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Malala Yousafzai: Pakistani girl shot by Taliban to be treated in Birmingham hospital that treats wounded soldiers - Telegraph

**Malala Yousafzai: Pakistani girl shot by Taliban to be treated in Birmingham hospital that treats wounded soldiers
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Malala Yousafzai, the 14-year-old Pakistani girl shot by the Taliban in retaliation for her education campaign, is expected to arrive at a Birmingham hospital that treats wounded soldiers later today for specialist care.

Malala, who was shot in the head as she travelled home from school last week, will be treated at the New Queen Elizabeth Hospital, which has a trauma ward to cater for British personnel wounded in Afghanistan.

A statement released by Pakistan’s military, which has been caring for her ever since the shooting, said she would need to have bones in her skull repaired or replaced as well as long-term rehabilitation.

“Accordingly, the panel of doctors recommended that Malala be shifted abroad to a UK centre which has the capability to provide integrated care to children who have sustained severe injury,” it said.

“Pakistan has arranged with the United Arab Emirates for a specially equipped air ambulance which will be used to transfer Malala to the UK.”

Malala was well-known in Pakistan as the author of a diary describing how the Pakistan Taliban prevented girls from going to school when they controlled the Swat Valley in 2009.

Two armed men stopped her school bus last Tuesday in her home town of Mingora, asked for Malala and then opened fire.

The attack on a young girl has horrified Pakistan, uniting the country in a wave of condemnation. Authorities have offered a reward of £70,000 for the capture of the gunmen.

Hundreds of vigils and demonstrations have been held as Pakistan prays for her recovery.

At the weekend, doctors at a military hospital in Rawalpindi said she was making steady progress and had moved her feet and hands despite remaining in a drug-induced coma.

She also breathed without the help of a respirator for a short period, according to military doctors.

The UAE sent an air ambulance to Islamabad on Sunday as doctors pondered the next move.

William Hague said Malala would receive care in an NHS hospital.

“The public revulsion and condemnation of this cowardly attack shows that the people of Pakistan will not be beaten by terrorists. The UK stands shoulder to shoulder with Pakistan in its fight against terrorism,” he said.

Police have detained dozens of people in connection with the attack - including school watchmen and the bus driver - but most have been released.

Former prime minister Gordon Brown, who is UN Special Envoy for Global Education, said he would be visiting Pakistan next month to talk with President Zardari about Malala’s cause of girls’ education.

He said: “I know that Britain will offer Malala the best treatment possible and the British people will welcome her, hoping and praying for her recovery.”

Mr Brown today said a petition was being launched in support of her campaign that every girl should have the chance to go to school.

“Today, sadly, 32 million girls are not going to school and it is time to fight harder for Malala’s dream to come true.”

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The hijacking of the ‘true face’ of Islam

“It’s a clear command of Shariah that any female that by any means plays (a) role in war against mujahideen (holy warriors) should be killed. Malala Yousufzai was playing a vital role in bucking up the emotions of Murtad (apostate) army and government of Pakistan, and was inviting Muslims to hate mujahideen.” — Tehreek-i-Taleban Pakistan.

Excuse me, but how does anyone justify killing a 14-year-old girl?

Malala Yousufzai, the young Pakistani middle-school girl shot in the head last week by a TTP gunman because she wanted an education, probably didn’t think of herself as a courageous activist. The world cast her in that role and it almost killed her. Now she lies in a Pakistan hospital clinging to life.
She brought attention to Taleban military operations that left hundreds of girls’ schools in charred ruins and the terror campaigns to keep girls from getting an education.

After the shooting, Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf described Malala as “true face of Pakistan.”

**But what is the true face of Islam? Will Muslims allow the TTP to interpret Islam in their twisted way and present it as its “true face?”

In its statement, the TTP said, “If anyone argues about her young age, then the story of Hazrat Khidr in the Qu’ran (states that) while traveling with Prophet Musa (peace be upon him) (he) killed a child. Arguing about the reason of his killing, he said that the parents of this child were pious and in the future he (the child) would cause a bad name for them.”

The TTP rationalized Malala’s attempted assassination by offering the Sunnah about Hazrat Khidr, who in Islamic history is considered a righteous servant of God possessing immense wisdom and mystical powers.
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It’s an affront to Muslims for self-appointed guardians of Islam to suggest that they possess the same wisdom and righteousness as Khidr. It’s also an insult to imply that they see the future and have direct communication with God.

**Muslim organizations worldwide are seeking anti-blasphemy legislation in the West to protect all religions. Yet the TTP, Al-Qaeda and like-minded extremists are immune to the consequences of blasphemous behavior even as they employ pretzel logic to justify murder.

By generalizing and taking out of context verses from the Qur’an, extremists are no better than non-Muslims committing blasphemy. I, like most Muslims, bristle at the suggestion that I must defend Islam to non-Muslims because of the acts of individuals who apparently cannot read, write, nor have the wherewithal to find a reputable sheikh who can teach them the Qur’an and the Sunnah. Yet I am left with the nagging doubt that my refusal to stand up to gangsters has put people like Malala in danger. It stands to reason that if one is insulted over denigrating depictions of Islam by non-Muslims, one should be equally offended by the distortions of the Sunnah by Muslims to excuse their crimes.
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We are witnessing courageous Muslims who have no tolerance for people hijacking Islam. Muslims worldwide condemned the 9/11 attacks in the strongest language possible, albeit those condemnations were under-reported in the American and European press. And more tangible efforts to fight intolerance can be found in Saudi Arabia, which has experienced remarkable success in its rehabilitation and deradicalization program of returning extremists to true Islam. The program has only a 10 to 15 percent recidivism rate.

More recently, thousands of Libyans crowded the streets of Benghazi to protest radicals’ killing four Americans, including Ambassador Christopher Stevens, at the US Embassy. Pakistanis have held demonstrations throughout Pakistan to voice support for Malala and condemn the Taleban.
A window has opened for the government of Pakistan, which appears to have growing popular support to crush militant organizations that disgrace Islam. The Pakistan Army is eager to avenge the shooting given its claim that it chased the Taleban from the Swat Valley in 2009.

Yet Malala’s attackers stopped the bus taking the girl and her 15 classmates to school in the center of the valley’s largest town of Mingora. Since the TTP appears to operate with impunity, it’s unlikely that the army has ability to wage an effective offensive, although under the chaotic circumstances in the region, the Pakistan government is doing the best it can. The true test for Pakistan is to stabilize the Swat Valley and create a deradicalization program similar to Saudi Arabia’s project. **Pakistan also must put pressure on clerics to condemn violence in the name of Islam and to recognize that using religion as a weapon to gain political power through terror is in itself blasphemous.

If Muslim countries are going to demand that the West pass blasphemy laws to rein in hate speech, films and cartoons that denigrate Islam, then those countries must apply the same standard to its own people. A government official offers a $100,000 bounty to kill a filmmaker for insulting the Prophet (peace be upon him). However, when he fails to offer the same bounty for the killers of children, the Muslim community should ask itself why it tolerates the double standard let alone offering the despicable bounty in the first place.
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(The writer is a columnist at the Saudi-based Arab News, where this article was published on Oct. 15, 2012)

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Peace Ali_Syed

The people behind the "idea portrayed as Taliban" should only be creating criticism for themselves ... It is the media and regurgitators of the media like you who are wrapping them and intertwining their actions with Islam. It shows you up ... blame the Taliban for their inhumane actions don't blame Islam ... and don't let the media blame Islam ... Islam is not part of this equation ...

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Whoever is behind this "idea of Taliban in Pakistan" is not Islamic ... and I find it amazing that people continue to call them strict or fundamental or even extreme in their implementation of Shari'ah ... Even if you take Shar'iah to its extremes their actions are not justified ... according to Islam their actions are out of Islam ... So please stop blaming Islam.

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Peace Ali_Syed

I found this statement online -

**The TTP declared an all-out war against the Pakistan state, claiming that it supported the NATO-led occupation of Afghanistan, and that the Pakistan Army had occupied the FATA against the wishes of the tribal people. Over 40,000 people have been killed in Pakistan since 2007, of which almost 24,000 have been militants and 12,500 have been civilians.

**It does not say that TTP did the killing of 40,000 people - it gives a total head count of total killed by all parties ... since 2007. This includes the amount of militants killed and civilians ... Of course militants 24,000 will include Pak army head count and TTP head count and the 12,500 civilians killed will include the civilians killed by the TTP plus the civilians killed by colateral ... So this figure of 40,000 you are attributing to TTP is not correct. It includes the figures killed by the drones from what I can see.

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Taleban use Islam to justify their acts, and no one from the esteemed ulemas stops them from doing that.

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Ok brother, maybe you are right, the 40000 people committed suicide...my bad, taleban are innocent angels...its very noble of some one sitting thousands of kilometers away advocating for a fitna (to be imposed on the people) under which one doesnt want to live for himself...

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Going by this sunnah, these animals should have also been killed in their childhood beause ultimately they are also causing a bad name for their parents as well as Islam.

Or at least they should be exterminated now for doing to Islam what no enemy of Islam could have done in a thousand-year time.