I had this shayr in my signature taken from a marsiya of Josh. It was about Imam Hussain’s stand against Yazid. And I had it in my signature regarding Malala and Taliban.
***zawf dha sakta he qasr e afsar o awrang ko
aabgeene torr sakte hein hissar e sang ko
I was mistaken. It was a wrong comparison. Malala failed against Taliban. ‘Zawf’ (weakness) was unable to shatter the “afsar or awrang” (status quo) in this case.
Hence the signature is removed now.
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Because of idiots like Imran Khan, Munawar Hussain & Fazlu nation is confuse again.... And back to the circle of conspiracy theories...
certainly Imran Khan proves again he is idiot of highest order.
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what happened? did the mods refuse to make all Malala threads sticky?
Funny part is that Imran (and others) are being criticized based on semantics. Typical unfortunate aspect of our society, where the more you "show off your grief" (by crying incessantly at funerals, or burning effigies, destroying public property and issuing strike calls) the better you are. Carry on.
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The light at the end of tunnel is not train, it is children like Malala. She will prevail, but two face dumb idiots like Imran Khan who can never unite nation with there twisted ideology will be thrown in the dustbin of history.
So shall we see in next elections !
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^ you can call Imran a coward, taleban apologist and dumb but two faced he is not as his stance is consistent for the past many years (doesn't matter if we agree with that or not). Double faced is Nawaz sharif (meesna) whose party physically helps these terrorists, and is mysteriously quiet after malala's attack and yet no one is questioning him. By the way how does PMLN plan to eradicate terrorism from the country, if some one knows please share as after the next elections the Pmln might lead the next government.
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^ Ganga, cartoon & chor are well known for there services for Pakistan.
but Imran Khan deserve more chittars as he is so called most popular leader this country ever had. It's better to shut up instead of insisting on flawed argument which Immi Bhai continue to do until this hour.
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^ the previous IRI polls have put PMLN infront of PTI, now tell me what is their policy for curbing terrorism?
Whats the difference in what IK says and the following statement of Ch Nisar?
The opposition leader maintained that no Pakistani was involved in the 9/11 attacks but the government has been fighting somebody else’s war since the last 11 years.
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The thing that we miss in this debate is that PMLN, PTI, and the religious parties are all on the right side of the center hence have to cater for the sentiments of the right too. Where as PPP, ANP and MQM are on the left side of the center.
Lets see PPP (as they are ruling) for the time being, they have at least vocally owned up this war, but the fact is that they have ceded the interior security to the army. No high official has ever gone to FATA or Balochistan to see what the people really want, no media coverage of the war zones, so no one knows whats really happening there. The civilian portion of the counter terrorism policy is missing both in Fata and Balochistan.
For discussion purposes lets say that full credits be given to PPP for the performance on the WoT, what is their performance in governance, economy, energy production etc? Mind you the last three are 100 % under the government's domain.
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you actually take Mr.Bean serious? :hehe:
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Not me, Sharif’s take him seriously…they have made him the opposition leader…
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Light at the end of the tunnel is children like Malala for sure. But chances are, you will never hear about 99.99% of those children. You will never hear about kids like Tariq Aziz (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/04/opinion/in-pakistan-drones-kill-our-innocent-allies.html?_r=0) because they are killed by the CIA, not Taliban, and those kids dont carry any political currency with them. Entities like our failed government cannot use kids like Tariq to create smoke screens.
Folks opposing IK on this are those who like to wash their hands in a flowing river. Cheap thrills. Carry on.](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/04/opinion/in-pakistan-drones-kill-our-innocent-allies.html?_r=0)
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^ the crimes of taleban are far more as compared to the drones, they have killed around 12 times more people and they are degrading the name of islam through out the world ...
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again stupid logic just like Immi Bhai, you can not call one wrong is wrong but other is not.
Drones are against sovereignty of Pakistan - but they are flowing with mutual understanding of top brass because the faked up place called Islamic Emirate of Waziristan is not under our control. It was a no man land even before US has boots on the ground, the faked up tribal’s only sent drugs, extremism through mujahideen from the very beginning of Pakistan. So yeh they are cave era monkeys with quite a wrong view of the world.
Collateral damage - Yup no body can deny it, but neither no one can justify the fact why the hell these civilians were doing in the close proximity of wanted terrorists? will you?
Now back to Imran Khan twisted thoughts about how to tackle this out of control menace which not even sparing the 14 years old kids.
Do you even bother to research about the actual ideology of Al-Qaeda, Taliban & other loosely affiliated groups with them? I will assume no, so here is a quick summary:
All of them (Taliban, Al-qaeda,etc) real strength lies not in its infrastructure and membership per se but in its overarching and highly appealing ideology of establishment of Shariaah & Khilafaat through the means of arms struggle. They declare Pakistan Dar-ul-Harb which states Pakistan as land of kufr and thus justify the attacks on its people & security services.
If tomorrow 11/20/2012 America & NATO forces leave the region not just Afghanistan the fall out & moral boost to gay-monkeys organization is such that maybe Pakistan security forces can not able to fight them, they will cut our security forces heads which they do occasionally, drag every women, children & man in the streets alive and make this place a living hell - certainly this will end with crumble of state of Pakistan in matter of months if not days. Remember Hazbul-Tahiri case few months ago when a serving army Brigadier was in the planing phase of taking out the country army brass and have nizm-e-shariaat with the help of army, have some sense of urgency and make up your mind - time is running out at far greater speed then anticipated before.
its not cheap thrills when you live in UAE and we in Pakistam, yesterday in Bilal Mosque one of the largest in Faisalabad which situated in elite area have some mujahideen from Lakshar Tayyaba for donations now mind you the org is banned but openly operated and having donations for jihad and i am talking about Faisalabad not North Waziristan - this is our current state and Imran Khan with his stance just giving more ammunition to extremists.
That’s all folks !
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again stupid logic just like Immi Bhai, you can not call one wrong is wrong but other is not.
1) Drones are against sovereignty of Pakistan - but they are flowing with mutual understanding of top brass because the faked up place called Islamic Emirate of Waziristan is not under our control. It was a no man land even before US has boots on the ground, the faked up tribal's only sent drugs, extremism through mujahideen from the very beginning of Pakistan. So yeh they are cave era monkeys with quite a wrong view of the world.
2) Collateral damage - Yup no body can deny it, but neither no one can justify the fact why the hell these civilians were doing in the close proximity of wanted terrorists? will you?
I'd like to discuss these points of yours:
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1) You say people of NWA have been sending mujahideen to Afghanistan since independence. Really?
Last I know ISI along with CIA started funding and training people to fight "jehad" against USSR and the training centers/madrassahs were created through out the country. Are the people of NWA are responsible for the blunders of the state? Secondly you say that the tribals have been involved in smuggling and illegal activities in the country, can you please name two steps the government has taken during the past 65 years to bring them in the mainstream?
Is Fata under the jurisdiction of Supreme Court?
Can you name any place in the world where to punish a few people of a tribe, whole tribes are punished (aka FCR)?
Any area in Pakistan, which is run by a political agent?
We have forsaken the area, and now we have the galls to blame them for that.
2) How can one justify killing of innocents through drone strikes, Pakistani operations or suicide attacks? By standers killed during drone strikes are as bad as the ones killed by taleban through suicide attacks.
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What is your solution to the issue, considering that the state is conducting operations over operations during the past 10 years, but the problem is still there?
Will carpet bombing FATA solve the problem?
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I'd like to discuss these points of yours:
1) You say people of NWA have been sending mujahideen to Afghanistan since independence. Really? last I know ISI along with CIA started funding and training people to fight "jehad" against USSR and the training centers/madrassahs were created through out the country. Now the people of NWA are responsible for the blunders of the state. Secondly you say that the tribals have been involved in smuggling and illegal activities in the country, can you please name two steps the government has taken during the past 65 years to bring them in the mainstream?
Is Fata under the jurisdiction of Supreme Court?
Can you name any place in the world where to punish a few people of a tribe, whole tribes are punished (aka FCR)?
Any area in Pakistan, which is run by a political agent?
We have forsaken the area, and now we have the galls to blame them for that.
2) How can one justify killing of innocents through drone strikes, Pakistani operations or suicide attacks (conducted by taleban)?
1) with mujahideen (gay-monkeys) i meant the breading ground for extremism and the so-called pashtunwali which provide environment in which the human value has less or no value. As far what government did for the areas the plain answer is nothing. There are other issues which are directly related to peace in Waziristan area one is Afghanistan refusal to accept the durrand line, the time fly and USSR/Pakistan/US kicks in and here we are today.
2) I don't consider Wazirisitan under control of Pakistan thus justifying use of armed force, Pakistan armed forces are fighting for the control of our land in which collateral damage is happening. Just like gay-monkeys killed over 40000 civilian in last 10 years on their waged war.
We can talk about political situation and what can be done or didn't done about FATA & PATA in another thread.