MAJOR differences among muslims....

i thought the discussion in some other thread (the khilafat thread) was diverting to this, so i thought might as well open a new thread before the mods take the initiative…

sunnis being the majority muslims and shias the only other significantly large sect among the muslims, i dont really see any major issue…

the sunnis themselves differ only in matters of fiqh (i.e. how some scholars have interpreted the islamic law)…
i think shiaas too differ among themselves on such issues…

the sunnis and the shiaas have differences that i think r only superficial…
shiaas think ahle-e-bayt r the best people, while sunnis maintain that others too were equally good or some individuals even better…
also there r some differences on historical facts (which i think can never be rectified and differences r a part of all historical records)…

but major differences, that come down to the core belief r not found among muslims…
Allah is One and Alone, the concept of tawheed is uniform…
the Prophethood of Muhammad (saw) is recognized by all muslims…
Quran, as the Last Book of Allah is followed by all and no muslims differ in its contents, though interpretations r naturally different…
the prayers, 5 of them, the friday prayer, the eid prayers, funeral prayers r all equal in them…
slight differences in the manner of prayers is due to interpretation only…
fasting in the month of ramadhan, the zakaat, the hajj r all common…

then where do the MAJOR differences lie???
what r they???

i agree the differences are not a matter of life and death, islam allows differences on certain things, our job is to try our utmost in reaching the truth for the sake of pleasing allah, if our result is right we are rewarded twice and if we make a mistake we’ll be forgiven and rewarded once.

like i said the major theological differences only occur in places where people don’t have proper knowledge of islam or don’t care for what islam is saying and what quraan paak and hadees shareef say, once they read that with an open mind instead of what the village maulvi sahib is saying, there could be unity amongst the sunnis.

i don’t know about shias, it’s become much more than just a political difference, i was watching “karbala-the city of martyrs” yesterday, their understanding of tauheed seems to be different from ours, the way they were praying to imam hussayn and the ya ali madad and stuff are something i’m not too fond off.

not that they shouldn’t love ahle bayt, i love the ahle bayt too, i cry my eyes out every time i hear about the tragedy of karbala especially the martyrdom of hussayn and baby ali-asghar at the hands of the mad dog yazeed’s swine army but i don’t like the way they give the imams what is only allah ta’ala’s right.

i read a book in english, written by a prominent shiaa scholar, given to me by a shiaa friend of mine, was basically on the basic principles like tawheed and all....
there was not a single sentence in that book that i cud point out and say "no we have a different view on this one"....

i am talking of the ideological beliefs....
otherwise many sunnis r worse than shiaas in their aqa'ed of tawhid....

ya ghous, ya khawaja r very common in sunnis, but thats not the belief of sunnis but rather a 'wrong uneducated view' of some ignorant followers, who can be easily moulded into the right beliefs if their leaders r intent on bringing about change....

The Prophecy
Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) among many of his prophecies has mentioned, in one hadith, a prophecy which many of us have seen fulfilled in our life time. More than 1400 years ago, our beloved master, Muhammad (peace be upon him) made a prophecy in the following words[1]:

Abdullah bin Amar (RA) relates that the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) said "Surely things will happen to my people as happened earlier to Israelites, they will resemble each other like one shoe in a pair resembles the other to the extent that if anyone among the Israelites has openly committed adultery to his mother there will be some who will do this in my Ummah as well, verily the Israelites were divided into 72 sections but my people will be divided into 73 sections, all of them will be in the fire except one." The companions asked, 'Who are they O Messenger of Allah,' Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "They are those who will be like me and my companions."

I am giving you a list of all 72 sects in Islam with a brief description of the major differences that they have amongst themselves.

How can you combine them all on one hand of 'khilafat'?

1.Jarudiyah
Followers of Abu'l-Jarud, They believe Prophet (pbuh) designated Ali (ra) as the Imam by his characteristics but not by name.

  1. Sulaimaniah / Jaririyah
    Followers of Sulaiman ibn-Jarir al-Zaidi, They believed Imamat was a matter of conference and could be confirmed by two best Muslims.

  2. Butriyah / Hurariyah
    They did not dispute the Khilafat of Uthman, neither they attack him nor praise him.

  3. Yaqubiyya
    They accepted the Khilafat of Abu Bakr and Umar, but did not reject those who rejected these Khulafaa. They also believed that Muslim committers of Major sins will be in hell fire forever.

  4. Hanafiyah
    Followers of the Imammate of Muhammad ibn-al-Hanifah. They believe that Allah might have had a beginning.

  5. Karibiyah
    They believed that Imam Muhammad ibn-al-Hanifah is not dead and is the Imam Ghaib (in disappearance) and the expected Mahdi.

  6. Kamiliyah
    Followers of abu-Kamil. They believed companions to be heretic because they forsook their allegiance to Ali and condemn Ali for ceasing to fight them. They believed in the returning of the dead before the Day of Resurrection and that Satan is right in preferring fire to clay.

  7. Muhammadiyyah / Mughairiyah

Followers of Muhammad ibn-'Abdullah ibn-al-Hassan. They do not believe that Imam Muhammad ibn-'Abdullah died and that he is Imam Ghaib and awaited Mahdi.

  1. Baqiriyah
    Followers of Muhammad ibn-'Ali al-Baqir. They believe him to be the Imam Ghaib and expected Mahdi.

  2. Nadisiyah
    They believe that those who consider themselves better than anyone else are Kafirs (disbelievers).

  3. Sha'iyah
    They believe that the one who has recited La Ilaha Il-Allah (There is none worthy of worship except Allah), whatever she or he does, will never be punished.

  4. Ammaliyah
    They believe that faith for one is what he/she sincerely practices.

  5. Ismailiyah
    They believe in the continuity of Imammate among the descendants of Ismail ibn-Ja'far.

  6. Musawiyah / Mamturah
    They believe Musa ibn-Ja'far to be the Imam Ghaib and expected Mahdi.

  7. Mubarikiyah
    They believe in the continuity of Imammate among the descendants of Muhammad ibn-Ismail ibn-Ja'far.

  8. Kathiyah / Ithn 'Ashariya (the Twelvers)
    They believe that expected Mahdi will be the twelveth Imam among the descendants of 'Ali ibn-abi-Talib.

  9. Hashamiya / Taraqibiyah
    They Predicate a body to Allah and also allege Prophet (pbuh) of disobedience to Allah.

  10. Zarariyah
    They believed that Allah did not live nor had any attributes till He created for Himself life and His attributes.

  11. Younasiyah
    Followers of Younas ibn-'Abd-al-Rahman al-Kummi. They believe that Allah is borne by bearers of His Throne, though He is stronger than they.

  12. Shaitaniyah / Shireekiyah
    They believed in the view that deeds of servants of Allah are substances; and a servant of Allah can really produce a substance.

  13. Azraqiah
    Followers of Nafi ibn-al-Azraq. They do not believe in the good dreams and vision and claim that all forms of revelation has ended.

  14. Najadat
    Followers of Najdah ibn-'Amir al-Hanafi. They abolished the punishment for drinking wine also they believed that sinners of this sect would not be treated in hellfire but some other place before allowed in paradise.

  15. Sufriyah
    Followers of Ziyad ibn-al-Asfar. They believed that sinners are in fact polytheists.

  16. Ajaridah
    Followers of Abd-al-Karim ibn-Ajrad. They believed that a child should be called to Islam after it has attained maturity. Also they believed booty of war to be unlawful till the owner is killed.

  17. Khazimiyah
    They believe Allah loves men of all faiths even if one has been disbeliever most of his life.

  18. Shuaibiyah / Hujjatiyah
    They believe that what Allah desires does happen no matter what and what does not happen it means Allah desires it not.

  19. Khalafiyah
    Followers of Khalaf. They do not believe in fighting except under the leadership of an Imam.

  20. Ma'lumiyah / Majhuliyah
    They believed that whoever did not recognize Allah by all His names was ignorant of Him and anyone ignorant of Him was a disbeliever.

29 Saltiyah
Followers of Salt ibn-Uthman. They believed in the conversion of adults only and if father has converted to Islam children were considered disbeliever till they reach maturity.

  1. Hamziyah
    Followers of Hamza ibn-Akrak. They believe that children of polythiests are condemned to hell.

  2. Tha'libiyah
    Followers of Tha'labah ibn-Mashkan. They believe that parents remain guardian over their children of any age until children make it clear to parents that they are turning away from truth.

  3. Ma'badiyah
    They did not believe in taking or giving alms from or to slaves.

  4. Akhnasiyah
    They do not believe in waging a war except in defense or when the opponent is known personally.

  5. Shaibaniyah / Mashbiyah
    Followers of Shaiban ibn-Salamah al-Khariji. They believe Allah resembles His creatures.

  6. Rashidiyah
    They believe that land watered by springs, canals or flowing rivers should pay half the Zakat (Tithe), while land watered by rain only should pay the full Zakat.

  7. Mukarramiyah / Tehmiyah
    Followers of abu-Mukarram. They believe that ignorance constitutes as disbelief. Also that Allah enmity or friendship depends upon the state of a persons belief at his death.

  8. Ibadiyah / Af'aliyah
    Consider Abdullah ibn-Ibad as their Imam. They believe in doing good deeds without the intention of pleasing Allah.

  9. Hafsiyah
    Consider Hafs ibn-abi-l-Mikdam as their Imam. They believe that only knowing Allah frees one from polytheism

  10. Harithiya
    Followers of Harith ibn-Mazid al-Ibadi. They believe that the ability precedes the deeds.

  11. Ashab Ta'ah They believe that Allah can send a prophet without giving him any sign to prove his prophecy.

  12. Shabibiyah / Salihiyah
    Followers of Shabib ibn-Yazid al-Shaibani. They believe in the Imamate of a woman named Ghazalah.

  13. Wasiliyah
    Followers of Wasil ibn-'Ata al-Ghazza. They believe that those who commit major sins will be punished in hell but still remain believers.

  14. 'Amriyah
    Followers of 'Amr ibn-Ubaid ibn-Bab. They reject the legal testimony of people from supporters of either side of the battle of Camel.

  15. Hudhailiyah / Faniya
    Followers of abu-al-Hudhail Muhammad ibn-al-Hudhail. They believe that both Hell and Paradise will perish and that preordination of Allah can cease, at which time Allah will no longer be omnipotent.

  16. Nazzamiyah
    Followers of abu-Ishaq Ibrahim ibn-Saiyar. They do not believe in the miraculous nature of the Holy Quran nor do they believe the miracles of Holy Prophet (pbuh) like splitting the moon.

  17. Mu'ammariyah
    They Believe that Allah neither creates life nor death but it is an act of the nature of living body..

  18. Bashriyah
    Followers of Bashr ibn-al-Mu'tamir. They believe that Allah may forgive a man his sins and may change His mind about this forgiveness and punish him if he is disobedient again.

  19. Hishamiyah
    Followers of Hisham ibn-'Amr al-Futi. They believe that if a Muslim community come to consensus it need an Imam and if it rebels and kills its Imam, no one should be chosen an Imam during a rebellion.

  20. Murdariyah
    Followers of Isa ibn-Sabih. They believe that staying in close communication with the Sultan (ruler) makes one unbeliever.

  21. Ja'friyah
    Followers of Ja'far ibn-Harb and Ja'far ibn-Mubashshir. They believe that drinking raw wine is not punishable and that punishment of hell could be inferred by a mental process.

contd…

  1. Iskafiyah
    Followers of Muhammad ibn-Abdallah al-Iskafi. They believe that Allah has power to oppress children and madmen but not those who have their full senses.

  2. Thamamiyah
    Followers of Thamamah ibn-Ashras al-Numairi. They believe that he whom Allah does not compel to know Him, is not compelled to know and is classed with animals who are not responsible.

  3. Jahiziayh
    Followers of 'Amr ibn-Bahr al-Jahiz. They believe that Allah is able to create a thing but unable to annihilate it.

  4. Shahhamiyah / Sifatiyah
    Followers of abu-Yaqub al-Shahham. They everything determined is determined by two determiners, one the Creator and the other acquirer.

  5. Khaiyatiyah / Makhluqiyah
    Followers of abu-al-Husain al-Khaiyat. They believe that everything non-existant is a body before it appears, like man before it is born is a body in non-existance. Also that every attribute becomes existant when it makes its appearance.

  6. Ka’biyah
    Followers of abu-Qasim Abdullah ibn-Ahmad ibn-Mahmud al-Banahi known as al-Ka’bi. They believe that Allah does not see Himself nor anyone else except in the sense that He knows Himself and others.

  7. Jubbaiyah
    Followers of abu-'Ali al-Jubbai. They believe that Allah obeys His servants when He fulfill their wish

58.Bahshamiyah
Followers of abu-Hashim. They believe that one who desires to do a bad deed, though may not do it, commits infidelity and deserves punishment.

  1. Ibriyah.
    They believe that Holy Prophet (pbuh) was a wise man but not a prophet.

  2. Muhkamiyah
    They believe that God has no control over His creations.

  3. Qabariyya
    They do not believe in the punishment of grave.

  4. Hujjatiya
    They do not believe in the punishment for deeds on the grounds that because everything is determined so whatever one does s/he is not responsible for it..

  5. Fikriyya
    They believe that doing Dhikr and Fikr (Remembering and thinking about Allah) is better than worship.

  6. 'Aliviyah / Ajariyah
    They believe that Hadhrat Ali share prophethood with Muhammad (pbuh).

  7. Tanasikhiya
    They believe in the re-incarnation of soul.

  8. Raji’yah
    They believe that Hadhrat Ali ibn-abi-Talib will return to this world.

  9. Ahadiyah
    They believe in the Fardh (obligations) in faith but deny the sunnah.

  10. Radeediyah
    They believe that this world will live forever.

  11. Satbiriyah
    They do not believe in the acceptance of repentance.

  12. Lafziyah
    They believe that Quran is not the word of God but only its meaning and essence is the word of God. Words of Quran are just the words of narrator.

  13. Ashariyah
    The believe that Qiyas (taking a guess) is wrong and amounts to disbelief.

  14. Bada’iyah
    They believe that obedience to Ameer is obligatory no matter what he commands.

How true was the prophecy and how true was our prophet :saw:. May peace and blessings of Allah be upon him.

Coming back to differences between sunnis and shias, here are some major ones:

Difference of opinion in authenticiy of Quran:

Sunnis view: There is unanimous agreement among them regarding its authenticity, and its text being safeguarded from any additions or deletions. The Qur'an is to be understood in consonance with the rules and bases of the Arabic language. They believe in every single letter of it, it being the word of Allah the Exalted. The Qur'an is neither temporal nor newly created, but is eternal. Falsehood does not approach it from before it or behind it. It is the primary source of all the Muslims' tenets of faith, their rites and rules of conduct.

Shias view:To some of them, the Qur'an's authenticity is doubtful, and if it appears to contradict any of their sectarian beliefs or doctrines, then they give the Qur'anic text strange, far-fetched interpretations that agree with their sectarian views. For that reason they are called Al-Mutawwilah (those who give their own interpretations to the revealed texts). They love to draw attention to the discord that occurred at the time when the Qur'an was first compiled. The views and opinions of their Imams are the primary source of their jurisprudence.

Hadeeths (The Prophetic Traditions)

For the Sunnis, it is the second source of revealed law, complementary to the Noble Quran It is not permissible to contradict or reject the rulings and directives contained in those Hadeeths (ahaadeeth) which are reliably attributed to the Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him). The methodology applied in determining the authenticity of these traditions utilizes a set of stringent rules agreed upon by the scholars who specialize in this field, and involves detailed analysis of the chain of transmitters of any given tradition. No distinction is made between male and female narrators; judgment is made solely on the basis of individual trustworthiness and technical ability in relating traditions, and every narrator's history is recorded. No tradition is accepted from a known liar, or from one whose morals or scholarly ability were not corroborated, or from anyone, merely on the basis of his family connection or lineage. The compilation of the Prophetic Traditions is taken to be a sacred Trust, the fulfillment of which overrides all other considerations.

The Shi'ites reject all Prophetic Traditions which were not related by members of Ahlul-Bait, or their descendants. The only exception to this rule is their acceptance of a few Hadeeths (ahaadeeth) narrated by those who sided with 'Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) in his political wars. They do not attend to the authenticity and soundness of the chain of narrators, nor do they approach the study of the Prophetic Traditions with a scientific, critical attitude. Their narrations often appear in a form like that of the following example: "It has been reported regarding Muhammad bin Isma'eel by way of some of our friends through a man who transmitted it from him 'Ali] that he said..." Their books are filled with hundreds of thousands of traditions whose authenticity cannot be confirmed. They have built their religion specifically upon these spurious texts while outright rejecting over three quarters of the authentic Prophetic Traditions. This is one of the main differences between the Shi'ites and the Sunnis.

The Companions Of The Prophet

It is unanimously agreed that the noble Companions deserve our utmost respect, and are absolutely trustworthy. As for the discord which occurred among them, it is to be considered as the consequence of the sincere exercise of personal conviction and opinion. The discord was resolved and is a thing of the past. It is not permissible for us to hold, on the basis of past differences among the Companions, grudges and ill will which continue for generations. The Companions are those whom Allah has described in the best of terms; He has praised them upon many occasions. It is not lawful for anyone to make any accusation against them or cast suspicion upon them, and there is no benefit to be derived therefrom.

They charge that all save a few of the Companions had turned apostate after the death of the Prophet (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). On the other hand, they grant the Companion 'Ali bin Abi Taalib a very special status; some of them consider him vicegerent, and some view him as a prophet, while others take him for a god! Shi'ites pass judgment on Muslims in accordance with their position with regards to 'Ali. Whoever was elected caliph before 'Ali is held by them to be a tyrant, an apostate or a sinner. The same judgment is passed on every Muslim ruler who did not step down for any of the descendants of 'Ali and his wife Fatimah (may Allah be pleased with them). The Shi'ites have thus created an atmosphere of animosity throughout the history of Islam, and the question of partisanship of Ahlul-Bait developed into a school of thought which preached and perpetuated such detrimental teachings down through the generations.

Belief In The Oneness Of Allah

Sunnis believe that Allah is the One, the Only, God, the Almighty Subduer. He has no partners or rivals, and He has no equal. There is no intermediary between Him and His worshippers. They believe in His attributes as they were revealed In the Qur'anic verses, and they do not obscure their obvious meanins with far-fetched Interpretations. They do not strike any comparison between the divine attributes and other things, for as Allah says in His Book "There is nothing like unto Him." They believe that Allah sent the Prophets and commissioned them with conveying to mankind His Message and Guidance. They conveyed Allah's Message and did not conceal any part of it They believe that knowledge Of the unseen belongs to Allah alone. Intercession is confined to the Hereafter, and none may intercede except by Allah's permission. All supplication, vows, offerings of sacrifices and requests for needs are to be directed to God alone; they are not to be directed to any other besides Him. Allah alone controls good and evil. There is no one, living or dead in His authority or in His administration of affairs. All beings depend on Him, and need His favor and mercy. The knowledge of Allah is attained through knowledge of divinely revealed law, and this has precedence over the exercise of reason, which might never guide one to the truth, although it may provide reassurance to the believer, and help him to achieve tranquillity.

The Shi'ites also believe in Allah the Exalted and His Oneness, except that they adulterate this belief with polytheistic rituals and observances. They implore and make supplication to Allah's slaves and worshippers rather than to Him alone, saying "O Ali! and "O Husain!" and "O Zainab!" Similarly they make vows and sacrifice beasts in the name of others besides Allah. They request the dead to fulfil their needs as is shown by their prayers and poems. They consider their Imams to be infallible, to have knowledge of the unseen, and to partake In the administration of the universe. It is the Shi'ites who Invented Sufism (mysticism) to consecrate their deviated tenets and thus give them the air of legitimacy They claimed that there is special power and authority invested in the "awliyaa"' (mystic saints), "aqtaab" (those considered to be the spiritual axes of the universe, which turns due to their exalted status), and Ahlul-Bait Shi'ite scholars and clergy impressed upon their followers the concept of a hereditary privileged class, as a matter of religion, although this has no foundation in Islam at all. Knowledge of Allah, is attained, according to them, through the exercise of reason, not by knowledge of divinely revealed law. That which came to us by way of revelation in the Qur'an merely represents an affirmation of reason's judgment; it is not considered to be a source which is independent of, and beyond the limits of reason.

Governing The Islamic State

The state is ruled by a Caliph (Khalifa) elected to his position of leadership from among the Muslim people. To be leader, a man must be sane, rightly guided and knowledgeable. He should be known for his piety and trustworthiness, and he should be capable of bearing such a responsibility. The caliph is nominated to his position Of leadership by those Muslims endowed with knowledge and experience. If he does not hold firm to his duty, and deviates from the directives of the Qur'an, then they may remove him from his position and strip him of all authority. Otherwise, he deserves the obedience and cooperation of every Muslim. The role of caliphate is, to the Sunnis, a great burden and responsibility, not a mere honor or opportunity for exploitations.

Generally speaking, the right to govern according to Shi'ites, is hereditary, and restricted to 'Ali, and his descendants by Fatimah (the daughter of the Prophet). There is, however, some slight difference among them on the point of the hereditary right as to whom it belongs to. Due to this view of theirs, the Shi'ites are never loyal to any ruler unless he is one of the descendants of 'Ali bin Abi Taalib. When the practice of hereditary leadership vested in the descendants of 'Ali and Fatimah could no longer be maintained, because the line had come to an end, the Shi'ites invented the doctrine of Ar-Raj'ah, according to which the last Imam was not dead, but "hidden". He is expected to arise and return at the end of time, when he will slaughter all of his political opponents, and those of his ancestors, and will restore to the Shi'ites their rights which were "plundered" by the other sects over the centuries.

** Again how can you combine them under one hand of 'khilafat' considering such differences**

I will post more differences between these two sects later on...

Thanks God, you did not put Ahmadies or Lahories in the list of Muslim 'sects'.

i dont have alot of time right now but i think bao bihari asked in a different thread weather shias considers sunnis to be kafir..i have been to many majalis, talked to many scholers and this 'sunni kafir' thing never came up..our scholers never said anything like that..the biggest difference i see is the concept of Imamat..khair i think we should try to concentrate on the similarities and try to get along

zaki ahmed, Quran is complete and don't write crap about it..go to al-islam.org and you will find translations there by shakir, yousuf ali, pickthal and i think 2 of them are from ahle sunnah

shia and sunnis both have the same Quran

zakiahmed, none of the differences u posted is actually to be regarded as a major one....

Quran: i dont think any sunni or shiaa has any confusion about its authenticity....
most of the stories that "shiaas believe that Quran is incomplete" or that "the real Quran has been taken by the 12th imam and will come back with mehdi" r all "self-made stories" to defame shiaas, in my opinion....

hadith: even sunnis have different books on hadith....
some regard bukhari as most authentic, some regard malik's muwatta as authentic, some see muslim, and they all have a number different ahadith....
i think its just a matter of 'which narrator u trust" rather than a belief difference....
after all, the differences in the four imaams of sunnis r also based on which hadith they saw more authentic....

companions: its just historical differences here....
i think the original issue was that Ali (ra) deserved khilafat more than the others - usman (ra) in particular....
but some people, in their ignorance, have exaggerated the issue, which i still dont see as a fundamental belief difference....

tawhid: as i said earlier, sunnis r no better in this field....
if they call to Ali (ra), Hussain (ra) then we have also been guilty of Ya Ali (ra) (believe it or not) and Ya Ghous Pak, Ya Khawaja, Ya Shahbaz etc etc....
one muslim, brother abdulla, a former christian priest in pakistan, said that if muslims r praying to these awliyaa, then i was better off as a christian cuz atleast the one who i called upon (i.e. Jesus) was higher in status than what they pray to....
its individual or social jahaalat, and not a part of either sunni or shiaa belief....

governing: some sunnis too r restricting it to Qureysh, saying its the prophet's tribe so they deserve it more....
so what can we say if shiaas say that the prophet's family deserves it more....
also, one point that we must make clear is that its not Ali's(ra) family but rather the Prophet's (saw) family that they revere....
Ali (ra) just happens to be in the chain, or at the leading end of the chain: and what an excellent leader he was....

the only way i think these two groups can come closer is to be under one khalifa....
if shiaas want some one from the family of Ali (ra) to be the khalifa, i dont think any sunni wud say that he is a bad choice....
infact Imam Abu Hanifa (rha) had vowed full support to the son of Iam Jaafar Sadiq (ra) in his campaign for khilafat saying that u r the most deserving to be the khalifa....
so if we have a pious muslim, good scholar with leadership abilities in the family of the Prophet (saw) so why not bring him in the front....