Mahdi and Two Eclipse Narration

Stumbled upon some articles describing the narration of Mahdi appearing when month of Ramadhan will have both lunar and solar eclipse.

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If you notice above this is a saying of Imam Mohammad Bin Ali bin Hussain Bin Ali Bin Abi Talib, that is grand son of Imam Hussain also popularly known as Imam Baqir.

So its not even a Hadith, Rasoolullaah pbuh has never been recorded to have said ANYTHING like that.

And one of the narrators Amar bin shamir is considered a fabricator.

Is there any other narration other than the above that talks about solar and lunar eclipse and Mahdi?

The Hadith of Dare Qutani regarding the signs of the eclipses is not authentic!!!

The authenticity of the Hadith is supported by the following facts:
The root of the prophecy lies in the Holy Quran since the eclipses of the moon and the sun are mentioned as important signs of the approach of Resurrection in the Holy Quran and the time of the advent of the Promised Spiritual Reformer is also the Latter Age. The Holy Quran says:
He asks: When will be the day of Resurrection? When the eye is dazzled, And the moon is eclipsed, And the sun and the moon are brought together, On that day man will say, whither to escape? (Ch. 75: vs.7-11)
When the solar eclipse occurs, the sun and the moon are in conjunction, i.e. they are in the same direction as viewed from the earth. Hence the words and the sun and the moon are brought together signify solar eclipse. The Hadith of Dare Qutani supports this interpretation and gives valuable details about the prophesied eclipses. The Holy Quran says:
He (Allah) is the Knower of the unseen, and He reveals not His secrets to anyone, except to whom He choses, namely a Messenger of His. (Ch.78: vs.27-28)
The unique nature of the prophecy and its magnificent fulfillment also indicate that the source is the Holy Prophet sa. *When the prophecy in the Hadith has been fulfilled the criticism against the narrators loses significance. *

Hadhrat Ali Bin Umar Albaghdadi Ad Dare-Qutani, the compiler of the Hadith, was a very respected saint and was scrupulously careful in recording the saying of the Holy Prophet sa. Hadhrat Shah Abdul Aziz, Muhaddis of Delhi, another eminent elite of Islam, comments about Imam Dare-Qutani in his book Naubatul Fikr thus:

i) Imam Dare-Qutani once said, ‘O residents of Baghdad. do not even think that any narrator would be able to refer any false or incorrect statement to the Holy Prophet of Islam sa during my life time.’ Naubatul Fikr, (Footnote p.52).ii) The article under review has expressed doubts as to whether the narrator of the Hadith is really Hadhrat Imam Baqar. Muhammad Bin Ali is considered as Hadhrat Imam Baqar in Iqtirabus Saat by Nawab Siddique Hasan Khan Saheb (p.1061). A photocopy of the relevant page is given in The Advent of Imam Mahdi - A Great Heavenly Sign by Muhammad Azam Ekseer, 1994, p.88. In this connection it may also be noted that Allama Shaikh Shahabuddin Ibn Al Hajar-al Hashimi wrote:
Muhammad Bin Ali, an elite among the Ahle-Bait, narrates that there will be two signs for Imam Mahdi which have never been shown to mankind since the creation of the heavens and the earth. One of these is the eclipse of the moon on the first of its nights in the month of Ramadhan, and the eclipse of the sun on the middle of the days. (Kitabul Fataw Al Hadeesiyya, p.31, Egypt)
The signs of eclipses are mentioned in the collections of Hadith of both Sunni and Shia sects. Eminent Muslim scholars have mentioned these signs in their books. Books of other religions also mention eclipses as signs of the Promised Divine Reformer.

Firstly its not a Hadith.

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The root of the prophecy lies in the Holy Quran since the eclipses of the moon and the sun are mentioned as important signs of the approach of Resurrection in the Holy Quran and the time of the advent of the Promised Spiritual Reformer is also the Latter Age. The Holy Quran says:
He asks: When will be the day of Resurrection? When the eye is dazzled, And the moon is eclipsed, And the sun and the moon are brought together, On that day man will say, whither to escape? (Ch. 75: vs.7-11)
When the solar eclipse occurs, the sun and the moon are in conjunction, i.e. they are in the same direction as viewed from the earth. Hence the words and the sun and the moon are brought together signify solar eclipse.

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Brought in line does not mean brought together, there is hell of difference. Secondly, these are signs of Qiyamah and there is not indication what so ever that Qiyamah is anywhere near horizon.

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The unique nature of the prophecy and its magnificent fulfillment also indicate that the source is the Holy Prophet sa. *When the prophecy in the Hadith has been fulfilled the criticism against the narrators loses significance. *

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How can a prophecy be thought to have been fullfilled when it was never made, that is, Rasoolullah pbuh did not make the Prophecy. Secondly for prophecy to be fullfilled, you also have to "prove" that Mirza Sb was actually a Mahdi and not the other way around.

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Hadhrat Ali Bin Umar Albaghdadi Ad Dare-Qutani, the compiler of the Hadith, was a very respected saint and was scrupulously careful in recording the saying of the Holy Prophet sa. Hadhrat Shah Abdul Aziz, Muhaddis of Delhi, another eminent elite of Islam, comments about Imam Dare-Qutani in his book Naubatul Fikr thus:

i) Imam Dare-Qutani once said, ‘O residents of Baghdad. do not even think that any narrator would be able to refer any false or incorrect statement to the Holy Prophet of Islam sa during my life time.’ Naubatul Fikr, (Footnote p.52).ii) The article under review has expressed doubts as to whether the narrator of the Hadith is really Hadhrat Imam Baqar. Muhammad Bin Ali is considered as Hadhrat Imam Baqar in Iqtirabus Saat by Nawab Siddique Hasan Khan Saheb (p.1061). A photocopy of the relevant page is given in The Advent of Imam Mahdi - A Great Heavenly Sign by Muhammad Azam Ekseer, 1994, p.88. In this connection it may also be noted that Allama Shaikh Shahabuddin Ibn Al Hajar-al Hashimi wrote:
Muhammad Bin Ali, an elite among the Ahle-Bait, narrates that there will be two signs for Imam Mahdi which have never been shown to mankind since the creation of the heavens and the earth. One of these is the eclipse of the moon on the first of its nights in the month of Ramadhan, and the eclipse of the sun on the middle of the days. (Kitabul Fataw Al Hadeesiyya, p.31, Egypt)

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Will you accept all Ahadith narrated in Dar Qutni?

As i said earlier there is no proof that Imam Baqir said these words, with the type of chain this saying has.

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d-toxed, you have also given a completely FALSE translation of Quran just to prove your point, very bad.

75:9 is *Wa Jumi-al-shams o walqamar*
And the sun and moon are joined together

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lol....no I didnt give you the incorrect translation. What in your point ovf view the joining of the Sun and Moon means?

I have made my point in as little words as possible.

Joining means joining my dear.

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if the prophecy wasnt true.. wherever it came from, it would have never taken place in the first place. Do you admit the fact that it has happened with someone who claimed to be Mahdi AS?

when people say its fabricated and it happen to come true, will you still not admit? just because some Mullahs said its fabricated?.. you place Mullah's understanding of Islam more higher than Allah's heavenly signs?

who were the people who declared it as fabricated?.. were they divinely guided?.. if not, then theres a chance that what you have been following as fabricated could be a true sign of Imam Mahdi, since it actually took place.

PS: you dont deny the fact that it did take place, now accepting it as truth or keep believing it as fabricated is entirely up to you.

PS2: Muslims have been believing in this prophecy for so long, why now has it been classified as fabricated when they saw this actually happened?

you guys will keep on bringing excuses after excuses. It's not your fault, Allah told in Quran that even if Allah stand in front of them, they'll still turn their back on him, asking for proof and bringing excuses.

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^So anything that's fabricated, and coincidentally happened, perhaps not it the full context, is supped to be a heavenly sign... !

I rest my case.

You admitted that this took place. Call it coincidence or whatever you please :)

"those who are blind in this world, will be blind in the hereafter."

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if it 'coincidentally' happens then it is NOT fabricated. This tradition has been coming to us ever since the time of Hazrat Muhammad PBUH. No one has the right to classify anything as fabricated if it took place.

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A sign is only a sign if Allah declared it a sign, it CANNOT be a sign if it is forged and then just happens. Mr Popat, Muhammad pbuh never said anything about any solar, lunar eclipse.

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I rest my case.

You admitted that this took place. Call it coincidence or whatever you please :)

"those who are blind in this world, will be blind in the hereafter."

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if it 'coincidentally' happens then it is NOT fabricated. This tradition has been coming to us ever since the time of Hazrat Muhammad PBUH. No one has the right to classify anything as fabricated if it took place.

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"those who are blind will be blind here after blah blah"... sure about that??? Is this another of the so called prophecies???

Anyways, I haven't said that it happened. So don't ASSUME that I said that please.

Even Hassan bin Sabah Hameeri had a better calling than that... and that was fabricated ofcourse, plus, that was also a coincidence. Please read a bit of hsitory. It helps.

Chao...

I will read history and you read Quran.. sure u can call it a prophecy.. its in Quran, on which i have firm belief in.

u never said it happened, but you dont have guts to refuse it either. History tells me that this sign of solar and lunar eclipse never took place as a sign of someone's truthfulness. It was because of history for which i accepted Imam Mahdi AS, how much history have you read thus far?

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After going through the replies of Mr.Popat, i remembered an incident i red years back in a historical book, it was about the person who founded the first organization of killers in Islamic world, yes i am talking about Hasan bin Sabah.

In his early days, when we was preaching his false beliefs to the people, he was in voyage when the ship struck a storm, all the people around him were worried, but this guy sat their calmly and said this ship is not going to sink. He said he got this revelation from the Allah that because of his presence the ship will manage to survive.. and ship made it through the troubled waters, his close associate asked him, how did this happend, he said, to him you fool, if the ship had sank, there will be no soul left to tell others about his prophecy, but if the ship survived, we surely will get few people in our cult...

For the ref. one should look into the books on Saljooks, Fitn and Hasan bin Sabah

Yes and that's exactly what I have mentioned in my post to Mr. Popat, but i don't think its going to change his thinking stream much.

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Stay on topic plz
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ummm i foun this link very interesting
Harun Yahya - PORTENTS OF DOOMSDAY THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE FROM 1979 TO 2006 - Download Page

And where exactly is it mentioned in Quran-e-Majeed?