Madrassas hit by sex abuse claims

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Lajawab, what on earth do "mod-Muslims" have to do with this? What kind of evidence do you need to see before you are able to acknowledge that sexual abuse is happening in madrassahs? This isn't just a Muslim problem. It's an international problem, and yes, people in positions of power take full advantage of their status and abuse kids. We've seen it with priests and now, not surprisingly, some maulvis are getting caught in the act as well.

It's really no surprise that these kids stay silent, endure the abuse and live in fear instead of speaking up when so many of you have proven that their word isn't enough to even warrant an investigation into these disgusting acts.

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People, lajjo is trying to Xert a very simple fact of life here, to prove da guilty & bring them to justice, u cannot label everyone a boy-loving-mullah, this would be unfair, yes there is a problem & u need to eradicate this evil, but how do u go on doing it?

First - we have to identify da root cause of da problem - mullahs who are deprived of sex...not really, they might be having children of their own, but lets calculate our theories here. These are ppl who have seen a lot of crazy anal sex, & are bound by their religious obligations to go to heera mandi with their beards & take their frustration out, instead, they find easy quite targets, in Urdu its known as bakri ke bachay...!

Second - How do we eliminate them, do we track every madrassah out there, or do we start an awareness campaign like da population control. I think da latter would be more feasible. I completely agree with armughal
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shameful to generalize it over all the madrassahs
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this is totally shameful.

Third - Take out this perception from ur mind that every bearded mullah is a bacha baaz...! Does any1 remember da infamous javaid case who murdered scores of innocent street kids...? He was later ordered to be dipped in acid by da court, & Ive since never got to hear, what really happened after his last appeal...he was not a mullah.

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where is it being said that this is being GENERALIZED over all madrassas?

Its not. The investigation is beginning to show that the problem is MORE widespread than people would like to admit. No one is coming out and saying EVERY madrassa in Pakistan is facing this problem, rather that if many have the problem, then we need to investigate every madrassa to make sure the problem also does not exist there.

I dont think that's unreasonable, and nor do i think its an attack on Islam. If anything, the gov't is trying to do something Islamic for once. Its just that the criminal, this time around, has a beard. Which irritates the hell out of hypocrites like armughal and lajawab.

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Its just that the criminal, this time around, has a beard. Which irritates the hell out of hypocrites like armughal and lajawab.

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does it make you spring for joy though?

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Originally posted by mal1k: *
People, lajjo is trying to Xert a very simple fact of life here, to prove da guilty & bring them to justice, u cannot label *everyone a boy-loving-mullah, this would be unfair, yes there is a problem & u need to eradicate this evil, but how do u go on doing it?
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Mal1k, most of us are aware that not all mullahs or bearded men are perverted child molesters. To deny a problem even exists and sweep it under the rug by putting all mullahs on a pedastal is simply wrong.

I don't believe that the problem is that mullahs are deprived of sex. The way I see it, it's simply an abuse of power. They know they can get away with it cause of their status in society ... that status and pedastal that everybody puts them on. Nobody questions them cause in the eyes of many, they can do no wrong. We've seen the same thing happen with Priests. Nobody would ever doubt them or question them which is why they got away with it for so long. It's only now that so many cases of abuse are coming out of Europe and North America about what the Priests really did. Why? Why did they get away with it for so long? It's the same or a similar problem with these mullahs (again, note I'm not saying ALL mullahs). Do we really want the same thing to happen to Pakistani children? 30 years from now, do want to hear the stories of these psychologically traumatized children the way we are hearing stories of kids who were abused by members of the Catholic Church?

There needs to be more awareness. Kids need to feel secure and not afraid of speaking out against these atrocities and what they say needs to be taken seriously.

I agree with PCG's suggestions. For once, the government is doing a good thing by making the public aware of this. Maybe some more kids will gain the courage to speak out, especially if the perpetrators are brought to justice.

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um…ok. you’re right, this is all a great big conspiracy against mullahs to defile Islam and extremists muslims.

however, the part in bold is more disturbing. i’m very sorry ji, next time we should personally watch, “with our own eyes”, a mullah disrobe and fondle a child’s genitals before even thinking about believing such an accusation, let alone speaking about it. :rolleyes:

…truly pathetic.

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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *
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Trying to drag Islam down to the level of Catholicism...

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hahah Lajo. Sure any help it can get will help.

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Let’s start from Code_Red:

CR: Do you start the treatment of cancer before any cancer cells are verified or do you start the cure when your doctor tells you, you might have cancer…

The answer to the molestation dilemma is letting the kids know that they need to come forward with even the slightest problems of this kind…I agree, this is a despicable act, but to go Terminator on one instance is foolishness and childishness…

Most of the Mullahs I have met who teach the Quran are truly knowledgable as to what is what, but then some Madrassahs hire teachers who simply recite the Quran in Arabic an have no understanding of what it means…The Madrassas in Karachi do not hire any teachers who have not achieved a degree from a recognized religious institution where not just Hadith and Quran but Fiqh and Shariah are taught…

You have to keep in mind that memorizing the Quran and learning Fiqh and Shariah are two different fields altogether…No scholar from a recognized Madrassah will ever indulge in these acts…

This act you quote took place in Murree…Murree is not very well known for good religious institutions and if there are, then they are simply helping the students memorize Quran…Hadith, Fiqh and Shariah are not taught hence this took place…

Ravage: The parents duty of teaching their kids Islam does not end with them enrolling them into the Madrassah and hoping to achieve an Ibn-Qayyam or Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani, may Allah :swt: bless them…It starts at enrollment and ends with taking an interest in what they are learning and what their hurdles are…Aside from this, the only thing that can prevent this happening are monitoring cameras, and you know how that goes in our country…

MehnazQ: I do not deny that this abuse is taking place for only angels and Prophets are faultless…What I am saying is that not every Masjid that opens up a Quran teaching hostel can be classified as a Madrassah…It doesn’t take much…All you need is a small place to make sleeping quarters and voila, you have a Madrassah…It doesn;t work this way…

Mod-Muslims have a habit of going haywire and nuts over any issue which is politically incorrect and asking for blood even if the blood be that of the innocent…Islam prohibits that, but the mod-Muslims are westernized, hence their sense of justice is western too: Lynch whoever you find with a religious beard, generalize them and hang a few…This is total ignorance and injustice and Islam is never about mob mentality or generalizations…Islam fights stereotyping which the mod-Muslim loves to do…

I don’t believe in that…This act in Islam (you’d be happy to know) is punishable by a disgraceful death and I am all for it…But where are the witnesses? Who do you punish? In order to punish the culprits, you need witnesses…But unlike western law, where testimony is coerced by whatever means, the witnesses in Islam have to come forward themselves…

I agree, the culprits must be punished, but how?

PCG:

No…You don’t generalize…

Nikhil: By one’s very eyes and eras doesn;t necessarily mean being there physically when the acts take place…By one’s very eyes also means to talk or interview the victim with one’s very eyes and ears…That also counts in the same category as “verifying with your eyes and ears”…Don;t believe everything you hear or read…You might slowly go mad…

Madhanee: Shut up…

I wash my hands of this issue…I have already written enough…

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Dude, that statement is not a generalization. Its a direct and specific hit on you and your buddy.

looks around I thought that was obvious.

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naughty pcg :bailan:

^^ does this count as women abuse :stuck_out_tongue:

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Suroor_ca2,,,, you are disrespecting a religious symbol of Hindus and I think its in a bad taste.

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^ kidher?

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I think she was replying to ur cow rape thread…:rotfl:…ppl are so jazbaati at times

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opps "smack2: mera satyanas,misfire ho gaya,jana tha japan pohench gaye cheen , samjhay na :hula:

Sahi fermaya app nay Malkay,^
Suroor_ca02 you must now apologize Madwhoree for disrespecting his cow,

Pakistan ZindaBad :jhanda:

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:rotfl: bari jaldi khayal aya appaa

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^ Mushtanda moaaa, :hehe::k: :snooty::flower1:

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what made u a mustanda oyeeee…:stuck_out_tongue:

apaaa :mocking:

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Oyeee tu ‘Mushtanda’ ^ nama neem, :2guns: w:fraudia:w

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*Originally posted by PyariCgudia: *
I dont think that's unreasonable, and nor do i think its an attack on Islam. If anything, the gov't is trying to do something Islamic for once. Its just that the criminal, this time around, has a beard. Which irritates the hell out of hypocrites like armughal and lajawab.
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do u know who the accused is????
how do u know he has a beard????

u r just screaming loud cuz u think that u got a reason to point fingers at someone with a beard....

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If the government has found some proofs, it should bring them up, try the accused in the court and punish him. The whole Muslim population will be in favour of punishing the culprit, whether it be a person from a Madrassah or anyone else. Its true that if a Muslim scholar (I am not using the word 'Mullah') does it than he should be dealt with more strictly, since he is the one who is supposed to be what he preaches. We definitely need to get rid of such black sheeps from our religious people.

However, justice demands that the govt should also take care of the other places where this happens.

And this is not a new thing in Pakistan. Have you guys ever heard about what goes on in Peshawar and other parts of NWFP, aka londaybazi? I hope there is some 'sincere' effort to curb this disease.

P.S. I don't understand why Dr. Farooq Sattar, another MQM leader, has spoken up against Amer Liaquat Hussain's allegations. They belong to the same party. So, there is something fishy there.