Madrassahs - the source of terror

Good going by the police and obviously tip-off like this from the public are key to fighting the kharijis. But again not surprising that so many madrassahs are centers of this terror all over pakistan.

In one Swat valley village recently, when army troops during night surrounded the peaks and heights, in the morning some mullahs and talibs found out and from the village masjid and madrassah they announced on loud speakers a call to jihad against the “murtad” pakistan army. What followed was hours of gun fight where the army platoons were divided and had to fight back hordes of talibs, taking many casualties though holding their ground.

Explosive-laden truck recovered, militant killed in DGK raid
Explosive-laden truck recovered, militant killed in DGK raid
Updated at: 1125 PST, Saturday, July 11, 2009
DERA GHAZI KHAN: A suspected terrorists was killed and explosives and weapons laden truck recovered during police action in Dera Ghazi Khan. Three suspects were also arrested.

According to police sources, police raided a madarssah in basiti Rakh Shawan Lon in katcha area in tehsil Taunsa Sharif on a tip-off.

The suspected terrorists opened fire on police in which one terrorist was killed whereas three arrested. Police also claimed taking into possession a truck loaded with weapons and explosives.

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Here’s the video of the swat action in chuprial I mentioned

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disgustingly outlandish generalisation. is violence exclusive to people hailing form madrassas? terror is a device that any form of sub intelligent human being resorts to be it for political gains (mqm is a clear example of it) or anyother desire to serve their agenda.

i 2nd ur point of view ............... further we have more weapon in our degree and medical colleges than madressahs...............

Generalization? What generalization? I'm just telling you that many madrassahs have become a source of terror. This is fact. I'm not saying all madrassahs are involved, but we need to be mature enough to face facts. The people who are around mullahs who are more emotional in their approach to religion rather than intelligent, are affected the most by jihadi propaganda and are the first to become brainwashing victims of taliban/jihad cabal.

This is not to say other non madrassah people are immune to jihadi propaganda, as we all know supposedly highly educated people from non madrassah institutions have also fallen prey to neo-jihadi takfiri nonsense.

I doubt that to be true, but even if it was, we have more dangerous ideology from certain extremist madrassahs than from any other institution right now.

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Where is SPOCK ?

Coz Khehkeshan posts/opens thread so it’s a law of GS Nature that SPOCK must engage :hehe:

would your maturity be extended enough to allow you to face facts about mqm or is it too much of a strain on your sensibilities? thread title is disgusting and it is gnerealising. and what on earth is takfiri? never am i more cynical of titles unless they are decreed by gs ulemas.

Keep living in your dream world. I’ll deal with the facts. The takfiri ideology is rampant in madrassahs and your denials about it are meaningless.

Seminary head nabbed for terror training

Seminary head nabbed for terror training
Updated at: 2015 PST, Sunday, July 12, 2009  
NURPUR THAL: A convener of a seminary situated in Nurpur Thal village of Buland Sunday has been arrested on charge of training youths for terror purposes.

According to police,** madrassah organizer—Muhammed Rafeeq–who was a teacher at a local school, used to send brainwashed teenaged youths to tribal areas, where they were given terror training.**

According to police, the accused sent a 17-year Usman to tribal area last year, who blew him up by killing several people at Afghan border.

The police said Maulve Rafeeq was preparing people for terror purposes by showing them the CDs of suicide attacks.

Police registered case against the accused under Anti-Terror Act.

Must be a big world since Peter Bergen seems to reside in it as well. Here is newsflash for you, since you suffer from propoganda this is a piece of popular media. Hopefully it may penetrate you maturity and astute analysis. I expect you will start colleges should be banned after reading this article. Rather than farting without facts examine the terrorists and then formulate theories.

*The Madrassa Myth *

By PETER BERGEN and SWATI PANDEY
Published: June 14, 2005
Washington
IT is one of the widespread assumptions of the war on terrorism that the Muslim religious schools known as madrassas, catering to families that are often poor, are graduating students who become terrorists. Last year, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell denounced madrassas in Pakistan and several other countries as breeding grounds for "fundamentalists and terrorists." A year earlier, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld had queried in a leaked memorandum, "Are we capturing, killing or deterring and dissuading more terrorists every day than the madrassas and the radical clerics are recruiting, training and deploying against us?"

While madrassas may breed fundamentalists who have learned to recite the Koran in Arabic by rote, such schools do not teach the technical or linguistic skills necessary to be an effective terrorist. Indeed, there is little or no evidence that madrassas produce terrorists capable of attacking the West. And as a matter of national security, the United States doesn't need to worry about Muslim fundamentalists with whom we may disagree, but about terrorists who want to attack us.
We examined the educational backgrounds of 75 terrorists behind some of the most significant recent terrorist attacks against Westerners. We found that a majority of them are college-educated, often in technical subjects like engineering. In the four attacks for which the most complete information about the perpetrators' educational levels is available - the World Trade Center bombing in 1993, the attacks on the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998, the 9/11 attacks, and the Bali bombings in 2002 - 53 percent of the terrorists had either attended college or had received a college degree. As a point of reference, only 52 percent of Americans have been to college. The terrorists in our study thus appear, on average, to be as well educated as many Americans.
The 1993 World Trade Center attack involved 12 men, all of whom had a college education. The 9/11 pilots, as well as the secondary planners identified by the 9/11 commission, all attended Western universities, a prestigious and elite endeavor for anyone from the Middle East. Indeed, the lead 9/11 pilot, Mohamed Atta, had a degree from a German university in, of all things, urban preservation, while the operational planner of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, studied engineering in North Carolina. We also found that two-thirds of the 25 hijackers and planners involved in 9/11 had attended college.
Of the 75 terrorists we investigated, only nine had attended madrassas, and all of those played a role in one attack - the Bali bombing. Even in this instance, however, five college-educated "masterminds" - including two university lecturers - helped to shape the Bali plot.
Like the view that poverty drives terrorism - a notion that countless studies have debunked - the idea that madrassas are incubating the next generation of terrorists offers the soothing illusion that desperate, ignorant automatons are attacking us rather than college graduates, as is often the case. In fact, two of the terrorists in our study had doctorates from Western universities, and two others were working toward their Ph.D.
A World Bank-financed study that was published in April raises further doubts about the influence of madrassas in Pakistan, the country where the schools were thought to be the most influential and the most virulently anti-American. Contrary to the numbers cited in the report of the 9/11 commission, and to a blizzard of newspaper reports that 10 percent of Pakistani students study in madrassas, the study's authors found that fewer than 1 percent do so. If correct, this estimate would suggest that there are far more American children being home-schooled than Pakistani boys attending madrassas.
While madrassas are an important issue in education and development in the Muslim world, they are not and should not be considered a threat to the United States. The tens of millions of dollars spent every year by the United States through the State Department, the Middle East Partnership Initiative, and the Agency for International Development to improve education and literacy in the Middle East and South Asia should be applauded as the development aid it is and not as the counterterrorism effort it cannot be.
Peter Bergen, the author of "Holy War Inc.," is a fellow at the New America Foundation. Swati Pandey is a research associate there.

You failed to read your own posted article. Bergen is talking about the threat to the West. I'm talking about the threat to to Pakistan. Not always the same things. My concern is more with how madrassahs are used as ideological centers for the terrorism inflicted on Pakistanis.

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Gee, I wonder how explosives found their way to Hafiz Riaz’s madrassah? An “innocent” mullah storing explosives - shocked I tell you!

Mian Channu blast toll rises to 11

Mian Channu blast toll rises to 11
Updated at: 1430 PST, Monday, July 13, 2009
KHANIWAL: The death toll of Mian Channu blast has reached to 11 as two more blast victims died in the hospital.

Dozens were injured in the blast as rescue operations are underway. Rockets, bombs and other explosives have been recovered from the blast site.

According to sources, blast took place at a house of Hafiz Riaz where children were gathered for religious education. Several houses destroyed in the blast as many people still trapped under the rubble. Rescue operations are underway at incident site.

Dr. Naeem of tehsil headquarter hospital has confirmed the killing of nine people including seven children, a woman and a man. DCO Khaniwal said the situation is unclear.

Police sources said the blast formed a big crater at the scene. The injured were rushed to hospital among which 12 reported in a critical condition.

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has condemned the blast and called inquiry report.

Southern punjab is the new epicenter of Islamists terror.

Another so-called Hafiz helps blow up innocent children.

All in the name of “teaching Quran”.

May allah make these hafizi-terrorists burn in hell.

DAWN.COM | Provinces | Blast kills at least nine in Mian Channu

oh really? first you guys were on about that most of these people who are rebelling are afghanis, arabs, chechens and now all of a sudden they are pakistanis? grow up. do you now want me to post you statistics about what percentage of population goes into madrassas? once again if you are so cocnerned about pakistani interest this madrassas craze is fairly new what about the terrorism that has been racking karachi in 90s? that even international organistaion attributed to mqm? talk about pot calling the kettle black.keep on stigmatising people, alienating them and supporting corrupt regimes and then cry terrorism when revolt takes place. not every militant in pakistan is madrassas graduate nor all madrassas teach people how to blow themsleves and others up. what pakistan is facing now is the a result of idiotic foreign policy and total neglect of its internal affairs coupled with huge population of afghan migrants. but if it helps to paint an evil picture while yourself supporting a criminal organistion than continue .

MQM can have a bit of cake and survive.

But the big and long shaft of army will be in, the day MQM (or any other party) spreads its wings enough to endanger the state.

You are so innocent bhai.

Madrassah craze is very very old. You can trace the roots of Mullah-terror back in Jamat Islami of 1950s, so ably lead by Mullah Maudoodi.

It is just that Mullah-terror forgot their real master and took on the state starting in early 1990s. And that my innocent bhai, was a bad bad bad mistake.

Unfortunately Mullah-terror hasn't realized even today and that's the reason Mian Channu's kafir hafiz stored bumbs and killed Quran reading kids.

or Rajanpur where an Islamist called Abdullah just got cought with weapons.

Or 5 suiciders who got apprehended in Islamabad.

Or Mullah Burqaposh who is threatening with Kaffari revolution.

And the list goes on.

And still the killers of our soldiers and suicide attackers still want to pretend that they are doing Allah's work.

And then we have sympathizers of Mullah-terror who love to spread the stink of Islamism.

The problem is that even if 3% of pakistanis go to madrassahs and if only 10% of those people are terrorists, that alone makes 480,000 raving mad lunatic terrorists (assuming 160mm population)! That's bigger than the Pakistani Army regular infantry manpower!

No amount of poverty or neglect by the state can explain the reason for suicide bombings and jihadi nihilistic ideology. If poverty was the only factor, half of Africa would be made up of suicide bombers. Poverty, corruption, lack of justice and rule of law, while difficult problems, at least have some glimmer of hope of being solved and worked with. Jihadi ideology cannot be reasoned with and won over by dialog and listening to jihadis as they consider you and I as murtads and only worthy of silting throats for even believing in the concept of pakistan (nationalism of any kind = haraam).

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^you just dont get it do you. madrassas doNOT teach terrorising techniques. You cannot take a rogue example and apply it as rule of thumb. What of militants who are college graduates? what of those who do it for money? they come from all walks of life, why are you so intent on making this about madrassas? no response about clear cut example of terrorist from mqm? which madrassas did they appear from?

as for burqaposh thaank you bhai sahab for your kind sentiments of calling me innocent and then talib sympathiser . how does the world look in black and white? if mqm endangers sovereignty lol.

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Prisoner No . 650

DR.Afia Siddiqi

*A Pakistani PHD in neurology was picked up by the FBI from Karachi with the help of our previous Govt alleging conection with Al-Qaeda . Now she is in USA prison having lost her memory due to physical, psychlogical & sexual assaults. *

*She is imprisoned with men. Is ther no one 1.5 bilion Muslims like Mohammad Bin Qasim to recover her ? *

No one because we are dead .

Plz Protest it .

REGARDS.

^^ good effort to cr@p the thread by injecting something totally unrelated to the topic.

FYI there have been a zillion discussions from the Islamists and the her husband's statements on this topic. Why don't you go read them first?

I have given you ample examples of madrassahs teach terrorism techniques. Hundreds of other examples you can find by yourself. You are only deluding yourself here.

Many takifirs do come from secular institutions or such, but they are a smaller (but equally dangerous group), but many of them are influenced by madrassah educated mullahs. The impact of the madrassah cannot be overstated on shaping society's opinion even if not everyone attends a madrassah. After all madrassah graduates go and preach at masjids. Why are you trying to devalue the influence of the madrassah on pakistani society?