The flow of funds into these religious schools is massive. This can be gauged from the fact that Jamia Binoria, a religious school located at SITE, Karachi, maintains that its annual expenditure runs into millions of rupees, an amount which even the government is unable to provide to some of its best public-sector institutes. "Currently, the yearly expenses of all departments of Jamia Binoria are above Rs.51,572,000," reads a message on its website.
"We feed 10,000 people at one time, and slaughter two cows a day to feed these students. Musharraf should feed the same number of people for just a day, and only then should he ask us to identify the source of our funding," says Mufti Naeem, the head of Jamia Binoria. On being asked how they meet the expenses of the school, he says, "God alone is the giver, and He takes care of everything."
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People give Zakaat, sadaqa, Qurbani's skin and there are large donations by Business owners which run these madrassahs
Its same as Sattar Edhi. His budget is far more then a Madrassah, all run by donations of common people
Shaukhat Khanam runs on private donations, also.
Jamia Binoria is like that from last 38 years. Long before any terrorism, alqaeda or taliban. They were taking care of huge number of students then, they are doing the same thing now.
Its all because of people of Pakistan. They are more generous then our govt ever can be.
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I was going to say that. If people were generous enough to give the government the lawful taxes maybe then we can critisize government on not spending. But then the government should also guarantee that the taxes are put into right use and not in the pockets of politicians.
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LOL, yes. What I meant that govt. has to prove their honesty, somehow. We dont trus them cause every ruler was such a lootera.
You remeber Nawaz Sahrif (when he was the PM) making a pledge to overseas Pakistani to send money in so Pakistan can get rid of the loan. You also rememebr the over whelming response of overseas Pakistanis.
Pakistanis can do that again, if they see the sincerity
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despite where they are currently getting their money from, they should be getting funded by the government. the government has maintained it has ambitions of becoming a welfare state and for that reason tax collections must be made.
madrassahs are an oppurtunity to teach children indepth knowledge of islam. the fact that previously our nation chose to misuse these instituitions must be laid to rest and a new beginning initiated. central funding is imperative to controlling the curriculum taught especially considering the past but since madrassahs have lost their military role i guess central government paying for education is out of the question!
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LOL, yes. What I meant that govt. has to prove their honesty, somehow. We dont trus them cause every ruler was such a lootera.
You remeber Nawaz Sahrif (when he was the PM) making a pledge to overseas Pakistani to send money in so Pakistan can get rid of the loan. You also rememebr the over whelming response of overseas Pakistanis.
Pakistanis can do that again, if they see the sincerity
Yup, thats because when the tide gets high our politicians first think about saving themselves before the country and its people.
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despite where they are currently getting their money from,** they should be getting funded by the government.** the government has maintained it has ambitions of becoming a welfare state and for that reason tax collections must be made.
madrassahs are an oppurtunity to teach children indepth knowledge of islam. the fact that previously our nation chose to misuse these instituitions must be laid to rest and a new beginning initiated. central funding is imperative to controlling the curriculum taught especially considering the past but since madrassahs have lost their military role i guess central government paying for education is out of the question!
If one is interested in "teaching" our children indepth knowledge of Islam then it must be done in "schools", may be additional day like Sunday school, extra classes in summer time, why put them on educating something using which they are unable to earn decent living.
Where do graduates of these madrassahs go? Are they expert enough to get jobs in industries/service sector/government sector/agricultural sector etc?
Very likely jobs for these graduates is be an imam of masjid, be a Islamiat/Quran teacher in a school. Currently it doesn't take an expert of Fiqh to teach "Islamiyat" in schools/colleges.
These madrassahs must teach beyond Quran/Fiqh/Hadith to students so they can earn their living instead of being dependent on "donations"/getting brainwashed into jihad (which will be declared by their teacher and not by president/PM of the country).
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Where do graduates of these madrassahs go?
They run your local mosques. Because engineers and IT people just know how to post baseless arguements on internet and not willing to be Moazzin or Khatib cause the pay sucks
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They run your local mosques. Because engineers and IT people just know how to post baseless arguements on internet and not willing to be Moazzin or Khatib cause the pay sucks
Exactly my point, "engineering/IT" jobs grow (or may shrink), they can adapt to different technologies, they can "rotate" companies/jobs. Khatib/Imam/Moazzin are appointed for life-time, its not like we have hundreds of mosques popping up which will consume them... well we do see "encroachment mosques" these days, but still how many will get consumed?
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If one is interested in "teaching" our children indepth knowledge of Islam then it must be done in "schools", may be additional day like Sunday school, extra classes in summer time, why put them on educating something using which they are unable to earn decent living.
Where do graduates of these madrassahs go? Are they expert enough to get jobs in industries/service sector/government sector/agricultural sector etc?
Very likely jobs for these graduates is be an imam of masjid, be a Islamiat/Quran teacher in a school. Currently it doesn't take an expert of Fiqh to teach "Islamiyat" in schools/colleges.
These madrassahs must teach beyond Quran/Fiqh/Hadith to students so they can earn their living instead of being dependent on "donations"/getting brainwashed into jihad (which will be declared by their teacher and not by president/PM of the country).
i dont disagree with you, but i do urge you to implicate previous governments more into this state of madrassahs
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Exactly my point, "engineering/IT" jobs grow (or may shrink), they can adapt to different technologies, they can "rotate" companies/jobs. Khatib/Imam/Moazzin are appointed for life-time, its not like we have hundreds of mosques popping up which will consume them... well we do see "encroachment mosques" these days, but still how many will get consumed?
Good point. So more are graduating and less are getting jobs from Madrahsas.
But isn't it same almost everywhere in every other field in Pakistan
Another point which I want to clarify is that most of the people send their kids to Madrahsas because they know that at least they will be fed and clothed and shelterd cause parent cannot support them. And Govt. has no policy about that.
At least these Madrassas are providing a welfare setup for those poor kids and its all vlountary. Their is no forced recruitement.
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If one is interested in "teaching" our children indepth knowledge of Islam then it must be done in "schools", may be additional day like Sunday school, extra classes in summer time, why put them on educating something using which they are unable to earn decent living.
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The kind of course work these madrassas has (full time, 6 days a week, 8 years with two month off, every year), expecting a student to complete that and pass physics, math, biology and regular school course is not fair to the student also. You will get a jack of all and master of none at the end
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Good point. So more are graduating and less are getting jobs from Madrahsas.
But isn't it same almost everywhere in every other field in Pakistan
To an extent its true, but an entry level engineer/IT/Bcom progresses to next level in 2-5 years leaving opening for another entry-level engineer, so there is some rotation there, but in case of Imam/Moazzin there is no such rotation, they are there for lifetime and I don't know what their salaries are based on, is it dependent on Friday donation collections or is there any support from Department of Auqaf (?)?
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Another point which I want to clarify is that most of the people send their kids to Madrahsas because they know that at least they will be fed and clothed and shelterd cause parent cannot support them. And Govt. has no policy about that.
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That is so true, since people are sending their kids to be "nurtured/clothed" by someone else it means they are not necessarily sending their kids for "Islamic education" rather transfer their economic burden to an institute which is run on donation money.
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At least these Madrassas are providing a welfare setup for those poor kids and its all vlountary. Their is no forced recruitement.
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Thus giving opportunity to opportunist mullahs to brainwash those kids into anything they want, whatever "news" they are given by those "teachers" is absorbed as "the only opinion/view/interpretation" of the incident/event etc.
Government of Pakistan is not a "welfare" state, I don't think it is, so why care for madrassah-students only?
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The kind of course work these madrassas has (full time, 6 days a week, 8 years with two month off, every year), expecting a student to complete that and pass physics, math, biology and regular school course is not fair to the student also. You will get a jack of all and master of none at the end
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That is so true, since people are sending their kids to be "nurtured/clothed" by someone else it means they are not necessarily sending their kids for "Islamic education" rather transfer their economic burden to an institute which is run on donation money.
captain saab you do realise the state were using these kids in turn to make their 'strategic depth'?
the truth is pakistan has been very fortunate all this hasnt hit the fan as it easilly could have
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given the treacherous unholy history of how madrassas have behaved in the past, they should all be nationalized; a governmental agency should ensure accountability that includes not just financials but also curriculum and faculty.
some may call it state meddling in religion. yes it is. but a lot better than religion meddling in state that has almost destroyed the country.
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captain saab you do realise the state were using these kids in turn to make their 'strategic depth'?
the truth is pakistan has been very fortunate all this hasnt hit the fan as it easilly could have
Yes, state has used these kids for their strategy, this again goes to show the very "foundation" of these madrassahs, the shaky and dangerous foundation.
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Aren't we getting that nonetheless? :D
I agree that qunatity does not mean quality all the time. If thousands are graduating from madrahsas, every year, no one can claim that every one will become Mufti or Muhaddis or Mufassir. It happens everywhere.
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