Luck, chance & kismatt

Shamraz_Khan · April 30, 2013, 6:40am

So, whats the difference between luck/chance/kismat? And, are they same abstract concepts or are they real tangible realms that operate independently of each other?

muqawwee123 · April 30, 2013, 6:46am

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interchangeable terms that stop people from taking actions to achieve their goals, etc

Shamraz_Khan · April 30, 2013, 6:58am

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^ Not necessarily

Aristotle’s take:

Luck is described by Aristotle as something that results from the actions of a rational agent (i.e. a human) that was not intended by the individual taking that action. In this way this result is felt by Aristotle to be “coincidental.” He also determines that this category of luck is included within the broader spectrum which he calls chance (which shall be addressed below) but that it is limited to human beings, capable of cognitive thought.

Chance is described by Aristotle as being an event that takes place “pointlessly.” That is that there is nothing in the nature of the activity that inherently begets the result that springs forth from it. For instance, if a deer wanders beneath a tree in order to eat some greener grass (an action based on instinct not as a result of rational thought) and the tree happens to have a broken branch from a storm the night before which then falls and hits the deer it could not be said that the deer going beneath the tree to eat the grass was for the purpose of being hit by a falling branch and yet this occurred.

muqawwee123 · April 30, 2013, 7:00am

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any examples how one can distinguish Luck from Chance?

Shamraz_Khan · April 30, 2013, 7:06am

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I guess, as explained by Aristotle, luck has more of supernatural connotation where chance is something happening by an accident?

Shamraz_Khan · April 30, 2013, 7:08am

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Like this story. Chance or a bad luck?

Woman killed by flying tire

muqawwee123 · April 30, 2013, 7:11am

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and kismat covers both (luck and chance), i.e. what has already written for the person.

Nain · April 30, 2013, 4:04pm

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koi soch bhi nahi sakta aisi mout :bummer:

IndiGo_Rain · April 30, 2013, 10:15pm

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In my opinion I see kismat as destiny and I see destiny as being preordained which leaves no room for chance and luck because you will get what you were meant to.

I don’t believe in luck. I don’t even say “good luck” because I feel that since Allah controlls everything, then things don’t happen by chance/luck. So, I just stick to saying “best wishes” instead.

What I am curious about is the belief that the only thing which can change destiny is dua. I wonder to what extent dua is allowed to change destiny.

Shamraz_Khan · May 1, 2013, 4:11am

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If everything is preordained how can dua change anything? Isn’t the idea of preordained is that your fate is already set in motion even before you were born & nothing can change that?

Shamraz_Khan · May 1, 2013, 4:14am

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Chance is based on randomness of an event & luck/kissmat are not. If that women who died when she was hit by a flying tire…if she was 5 minutes late she would in all probably still be alive?